Posted on 07/23/2009 1:49:13 PM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist
Not only did Democrats defeat (on a party-line 26-15 vote) an amendment sponsored by Rep Dean Heller (R-Nev.) that would have kept illegal aliens from being given government subsidized health care under ObamaCare, but it has come to light (per Rush Limbaugh and others) that illegals WILL NOT be fined $2,500 per year if they don't get either a private health insurance plan or enroll in ObamaCare.
American citizens though... they WILL be fined $2,500 per year if they don't enroll in either a private health insurance plan or enroll in ObamaCare.
What say you?
NUTS!
Amazing things that make you go hmmm...
How didja think they were gonna pay for this swindle?
Where are the riots??
If this is true then we need to shout it from the blogosphere and make the media mention it. This could be the thing that brings down ObamaCare!!
We must get this out. How do we confirm this?
Dems want illegals to get this ObamaCare, that way in 2010 and 2012 these illegals will all vote Democrat
hahahhahaha....screw the tax payers again.... government is why healthcare is so high in the first place..
Some people hate this country. Not me.
You got to be kidding!!! Any links to the actual language in the bill? If this does not kill the bill I do not know what will.
Hablo es spaniola?
Ha ha ha.
This entire program is about (1) creating a health care regime that will support 25 million++ current illegals at taxpayer expense and (b) then providing new American identities (of their choice) and visas to those 25 million++ illegals through another run at “Comprehensive Immigration Reform.”
Quite frankly, it’s about American citizens providing health insurance to the Central American and Mexican peasants invading our lands.
Because someone has to pay their hospital and doctor bills.
Our lazy, disinterested, and pathetic fellow citizens richly deserve what is about to come down the train tracks.
why o why r I not surprised.
At that well-televised town meeting, when one peasant was complaining that he would have to pay a $2500 fine for choosing not to have health insurance, the congress critter started in at him with, “Well, if you break your arm and go to the ER, who’s gonna pay for it?” At the time, I was thinking, “You a**holes don’t worry about that now — illegals do it thousands of times a day across the country, and we taxpayers pay for it. It never bothered you b4.”
Illegals are part of the privileged class in the US.
SS and Medicare was set in gold for a long time...and then they took more and more and they'll be taking more again and again!!
Taxes NEVER go down!! FEES never go away!!
ping
So then we will STILL have 47 million uninsured people in the country. WTF would 0bamacare do, then? NOTHING but cost a shitload of money for working people.
>>>> We must get this out. How do we confirm this? <<<<<\
“Confirm it”!?!?!?
This has been the goal of Congress for 10 years!
One more step in the relentless assault against everyday Americans, for the benefit of Mexican and Central American peasants.
“Comprehensive Immigration Reform”, Part 3, is next.
Guaranteed.
Yep. They just want their foot in the door, the details are just that - to be ironed out and expanded upon later.
Everything these people do is about forcibly taking money from the “oppressors” and giving it to the “oppressed.”
In lib minds, the people who work hard to earn money, and save a little, are the “oppressors” and the people who vote democrat are the “oppressed.”
ML/NJ
If I said what I really think about the jerk in the white house and all the other Chicago thugs he brought with him to Washington....I’d be kicked off this site....I loath the traitor/dictator and what he’s doing/trying to do to our country....send him back to Kenya...he’s so hep on bringing about change, .....well let him and Michelle ma belle go “help” that bunch, and leave our country, our America alone.
My immediate reaction is unprintable.
Could there possibly be an agenda? /s
Well, it's obvious that La Raza, MALDEF, and the gang really do have plenty of influence at the White House...
Specifically, pg. 170 Lines 1-3 Any nonresident alien is exempt from individual taxes
Thank you, maggief.
Ping to article and #27, too.
Where’s the outrage?
So whadda' they gonna' do?!
What say me? How do I become an illegal immigrant?
I can prove it though, but we could use some company. It's tough being all that special.
I intend to demand special rates lower than everyone elses because the Skolt have an exceedingly long lifespan and are rarely sick as long as they are fed a perfect diet of frozen reindeer meat, ground roots, frozen fish and seal fat.
Buying votes...
Great..so we still have to pay for millions of illegals to use our health system. Which means millions of people and billions of dollars.
None of this is about health care...it’s about power..power for democrats. They don’t give a rat’s ass about our health.
Let’s turn into community organizers. we can beat this health care bill, I know we can do it! Let’s roll!
http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/11/07/how-obamas-internet-campaign-changed-politics/
One of the many ways that the election of Barack Obama as president has echoed that of John F. Kennedy is his use of a new medium that will forever change politics. For Mr. Kennedy, it was television. For Mr. Obama, it is the Internet.
“Were it not for the Internet, Barack Obama would not be president. Were it not for the Internet, Barack Obama would not have been the nominee,” said Arianna Huffington, editor in chief of The Huffington Post.
Mr. Obama used the Internet to organize his supporters in a way that would have in the past required an army of volunteers and paid organizers on the ground, Mr. Trippi said.
“The tools changed between 2004 and 2008. Barack Obama won every single caucus state that matters, and he did it because of those tools, because he was able to move thousands of people to organize.”
Mr. Obama’s campaign took advantage of YouTube for free advertising. Mr. Trippi argued that those videos were more effective than television ads because viewers chose to watch them or received them from a friend instead of having their television shows interrupted.
“The campaign’s official stuff they created for YouTube was watched for 14.5 million hours,” Mr. Trippi said. “To buy 14.5 million hours on broadcast TV is $47 million.”
There has also been a sea change in fact-checking, with citizens using the Internet to find past speeches that prove a politician wrong and then using the Web to alert their fellow citizens.
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Governor Rick Perry may invoke the 10th Amendment over Obama’s health care bill (Vanity)
7/23/09 | Cowtowney
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2299225/posts?q=1&;page=51
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Send a message; No! NO you don’t, you muzzie pos. You’re not denying our seniors deserved health care while insuring millions of illegal aliens and while Demorats are REJECTING Obamacare for themselves and their families!
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To: All
From ‘Texans Against Government Controlled health Care’
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To all Texas elected officials:
“Don’t Mess with Texas” has been a proud motto in the Lone Star State. Now with Government controlled socialized healthcare appearing inevitable, we say “NOT IN TEXAS!” We ask our elected officials to cite the 10th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution as the reason why Texas rejects and will not accept the U.S. Government takeover of our healthcare system!
The 10th Amendment states: “The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.”
States’ rights, in the United States, is political doctrine advocating the strict limitation of the prerogatives of the federal government to those powers explicitly assigned to it in the Constitution of the United States, and reserving to the states all other powers not explicitly forbidden them. The doctrine of states’ rights has been the cause of bitter controversy at several periods in U.S. history.
The impending death of free market healthcare is an important issue that will again cause bitter controversy.
If the cause of defending our free market healthcare is a worthy cause, we in Texas must stand up and say: “NOT IN TEXAS”.
We in Texas will not stand idly by and allow the U.S. Federal Government to eliminate our free market healthcare system by incrementally changing and ultimately replacing it with a Government controlled socialized Healthcare system.
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The saving of our free market healthcare system is one of the most important tasks ever to face Texas.
When are we going to hear Texas politicians saying: “The Government Controlled Socialized Healthcare stops at the Texas border!”
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Tell the news media loud and clear: “NOT IN TEXAS”
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Facts about the 10th Amendment:
The Tenth Amendment (Amendment X) of the United States Constitution, which is part of the Bill of Rights, was ratified on December 15, 1791. The Tenth Amendment restates the Constitution’s principle of Federalism by providing that powers not granted to the national government nor prohibited to the states are reserved to the states or the people.
Why Texans should fight National Healthcare:
When all of America’s top health insurers and providers met at the White House this week and pledged to save $2 trillion over the next decade in health costs, they were pledging to sabotage our medical care. The blunt truth, which everybody (the politicians and healthcare providers) agreed to keep quiet, is that the only way to reduce these costs is to ration healthcare, thereby destroying our system. http://www.notintexas.org/Front_4.htm
Cutting Doctors’ fees will reduce access. Your doctor may not accept the government health plan. Congress is wanting to cut Medicare fees by 21 percent. Cuts in Medicare reimbursements will spill into the government health plan and ultimately limit the number of doctors and hospitals that will accept the government plan.
Much like the HMO’s of the 80’s your doctor access will be restricted to the few doctors who will accept the socialized plan.
Limiting the availability of doctors and hospitals will have many devastating effects. Most threatening are:
Over crowding waiting rooms
Backlog of medical testing i.e. CAT scans, MRI, PET scans etc...
Rationing of Health Care
Reduction of quality college students choosing medicine as a profession.
With our aging population, quality health care providers needed now more than ever.
We can pay with our lives. The federal government want us to believe they can “mandate away” 2 trillion dollars of medical expenses. We have learned from our friends from the north (the Canadians), the best way to reduce cost is to ration care.
Government bureaucrats will pour over data and decide what the best means of care will be for the largest number of patients. If medical condition differs from the government guidelines, it will NOT be paid by the government. Should your doctor(s) decide the government allowed treatment is not for you, your doctors hands will be tied. If you don’t have the financial means to pay for your treatment elsewhere, it could cost you your life. In Canada, colonoscopies are rationed for colon cancer. Canada’s colon cancer rate is 25 percent higher than in the U.S. even though Canada’s population is smaller.
We know from history, once a government program of this nature is passed, whether it is a total failure or not, it will NEVER be rescinded.
Solution:
Texans can reject, and refuse to pay for, the federal government health plan. Texas will attract the BEST trained, MOST experienced doctors (and upcoming doctors) in the country. Texas will be the envy of every state in the union.
The truth about government controlled healthcare:
Government healthcare is failing miserably in Massachusetts
If you think a government run healthcare system can work and be more affordable, read this... http://www.notintexas.org/Front_5.htm
Article from the Washington Examiner 1/11/09:
“Obama’s health policy advisers should take a good look at the smoldering wreckage in the Bay State before trying to impose any such “universal coverage” on the rest of the nation.” Link http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/Universal_coverage_First_look_at_the_disaster_in_Massachusetts_011109.html
More interesting reading - Free Market Cure
http://www.freemarketcure.com/
Medicare - What is all the fuss about?
Medicare (and health insurance) is a political football. The aging baby boomers are currently contributing more tax dollars to the Medicare Trust Fund than they ever will again in our lifetime. In 2011, the first baby boomers will become eligible for Medicare, and many of them will retire, no longer contributing to the tax base. Instead, they will become consumers of the Medicare system and begin to tap into the very funds they contributed to Medicare for more than 40 years. Within a few decades, we will suffer massive deficits caused by Medicare, Medicaid (welfare—long term care) and Social Security. There is simply not a way to finance the Medicare system long term by raising taxes. Even if taxes were raised by 50 percent of the current rate, there still would not be enough money to fund the Medicare Part A Trust Fund for the long term. The current Part A trust is expected to pay more than it takes in by 2019, and some are estimating this will begin to occur as early as 2016.
HCR 50 Has passed the house 99-36!
Affirming that the State of Texas claims sovereignty under the Tenth Amendment to the Constitution of the United States over all powers not otherwise enumerated and granted to the federal government by the U.S. Constitution, serving notice to the federal government to cease and desist certain mandates, and providing that certain federal legislation be prohibited or repealed.
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They can fine me all they want, but they are not getting the money out of me.
The Dems can stick it where the sun don’t shine. If they pass this, there will be open revolt.
I should leave America, renounce citizenship and sneak back in over the border.
Free stuff.
Exempt from taxes, paying for services they receive, and now extra fees ... how does a citizen go about become an illegal alien?
ObamaCare Yay Or Nay? The Truth About Canada!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2jijuj1ysw
This is a no nonsense (but funny at times video) 20 minutes that exposes health care in Canada like Obama wants.
MUST SEE VIDEO!!!!
http://www.wsbtv.com/video/20146795/index.html
This Video talks about “Parking Problems” at a VA hospital.
1:46
Watch vets getting upset because they can’t even park, forget about getting care, that is taking longer!
Re: Breaking arm and ER-— My response would have been, “The same person who paid for my son’s stitches when he ripped his hand open on the fence. Me.” Paid $198 and later got a bill for over $700. Turned out the $700 bill was the bill that would have been sent to an insurance company if I had not covered it myself.
>Our lazy, disinterested, and pathetic fellow citizens richly deserve what is about to come down the train tracks.<
I wish it was only the Obots that had to suffer. But the rest of us who are trying to make a difference are going to suffer too.
Our only comfort will be when we get to go say “I told you so” but that will only make you feel good inside and it won’t put medicine in your kids body that they need or keep your parent alive another year or two.
But some person who broke our laws can get the health care that your taxes and increased cost of living will pay for.
>Illegals are part of the privileged class in the US.<
Almost makes you want to renounce your citizenship. take up mexican citizenship, then cross the boarder and pick up where you left off.
Go viral with these
ObamaCare Yay Or Nay? The Truth About Canada!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2jijuj1ysw
This is a no nonsense (but funny at times video) 20 minutes that exposes health care in Canada like Obama wants.
MUST SEE VIDEO!!!!
http://www.wsbtv.com/video/20146795/index.html
This Video talks about “Parking Problems” at a VA hospital.
1:46
Watch vets getting upset because they can’t even park, forget about getting care, that is taking longer!
exactly why I refuse to sign petitions to get abortion out of the health care bill.
It is nothing but a bargaining chip that they will add in later.
bump
I don’t know if that will stand up ...
Violates the Equal Protection clause in the 14th Amendment.
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