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vanity: I just got thrown off the beach for swimming in the wrong place
self | 07/24/2009 | RaceBannon

Posted on 07/25/2009 10:07:40 AM PDT by RaceBannon

I was by Paddys at Misquamicut Beach, Rhode Island, it USED to be NON-state beach, no lifeguards

anyways, I was 50 to 60 yards offshore, bobbing in the water, I am 6'4" so I need deep water to float

30 yards inland, 10 to 15 yards from the waterline, there was a sandbar, the waves were breaking over the sandbar, kicking up sand, making the water brownish

lifeguard came over, blew his whistle for 2 or 3 minutes, I didn't know it was for me, I ignored it

Some guy swam out to me, called me, I went in to listen, guard told me I was risking my life by swimming in a riptide!

The language that followed was unfathomable, I used to bodysurf waves as high as telephone poles in Hawaii and this idiot was telling me I was in danger and that since I ignored his whistle I had to leave.

I pointed out how it was a sandbar, that he saw me stand up and the water level was at my waist where he said was a riptide and that he was a fool and needed to be replaced if he was so unaware of water conditions

He told people that he KNEW where a riptide was from the brown water!

IT was a SANDBAR, and the waves were breaking over the sandbar!

And I was 30 yards out deeper than that, WAY beyond the breakers in green water, just bobbing in the water! High tide was 1 hour away! I was NO WAY being washed out to sea!


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The nanny state lifeguards treat people like they never swam in their life, it is offensive that I can swim better than the lifeguards and know more of the beach than a 40 something guard who bragged about his 20 year experience when it was obvious it was a sandbar, not a rip tide.

There was ZERO water being taken out from any swirl or passage to grab anyone

the moron was a BOZO!!!

1 posted on 07/25/2009 10:07:41 AM PDT by RaceBannon
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To: RaceBannon

Liberals will save you. Even if you do not want them to.


2 posted on 07/25/2009 10:10:16 AM PDT by screaminsunshine (!!)
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To: RaceBannon

The State knows best.

Listen and obey.


3 posted on 07/25/2009 10:12:55 AM PDT by SharpRightTurn (White, black, and red all over--America's affirmative action, metrosexual president.)
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To: RaceBannon

Don’t they usually post signs at the places where you can and can’t swim on the public beaches?


4 posted on 07/25/2009 10:12:57 AM PDT by smokingfrog (No man's life, liberty or property is safe while the legislature is in session. I AM JIM THOMPSON)
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To: RaceBannon
RB, have you had your meds today??

Seriously, wait until the know-nothings have police power to enforce arbitrary health rules “for your own good, and the good of society”.

Know-nothings. Sounds like the name of a great political party.

5 posted on 07/25/2009 10:13:47 AM PDT by texas booster (Join FreeRepublic's Folding@Home team (Team # 36120) Cure Alzheimer's!)
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To: RaceBannon

First rule: Always calmly ask for their name.


6 posted on 07/25/2009 10:14:57 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: RaceBannon

cudda been worsted...it could be 2014, your in your 80’s, and a government provided “bus ride” brought you to a swimming hole in south Florida, actually a canal, and they rubbed meat sauce on your for sun block


7 posted on 07/25/2009 10:14:57 AM PDT by Doogle (USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: RaceBannon

Ironic that the state would invest in lifeguards when 0’s healthcare wants to euthanize.

Someone got a whistle and thought they were important.


8 posted on 07/25/2009 10:18:56 AM PDT by IMissPresidentReagan (I AM JIM THOMPSON! Huckaboob is Joy Behar's Favorite Republican RuPaul=W.Jennings Bryant of today.)
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To: RaceBannon

Along the Panhandle red flag conditions and unguarded beaches are normal. Swim at your own risk.

Last Memorial Day in Florida I participated in a rescue of some tourists from Jersey who got caught in rip tide. They struggled, fatigues and we made a human chain to retrieve them, then carried them onto the beach.

Your story explains why these bozos didn’t know how to handle themselves in relatively minor rip conditions.


9 posted on 07/25/2009 10:22:26 AM PDT by Eagle Eye (Kenya? Kenya? Kenya just show us the birth certificate?)
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To: RaceBannon

Too bad you’re not Skip Gates. Then you could claim profiling by the lifeguard and President Obama could comment on the incident.


10 posted on 07/25/2009 10:22:35 AM PDT by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: RaceBannon

Ever thought about teaching at Harvard?


11 posted on 07/25/2009 10:24:51 AM PDT by Krankor ("Quit talking about the eight men, or there's gonna be nine.")
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To: RaceBannon

Tough call: Riptides (or “Rips”, as we call them DownUnder) are a source of major headaches for Surf Lifesaving as they can cause swimmers some considerable grief, carrying them out past the breakers, and not a few swimmers get into trouble and drown.

Which is why they say “always swim between the flags.”

Your Surf Lifesaver obviously thought you were near a particularly strong Rip, as they can take up sand from the bottom and look muddy. If so, he was acting out of an abundance of caution for your safety, even tho’ he might have been wrong and mistaking the sandbar for a Rip.

(then again, he might have been right.)

If it were me, I’d cut him some slack.


12 posted on 07/25/2009 10:25:20 AM PDT by DieHard the Hunter (Is mise an ceann-cinnidh. Cha ghéill mi do dhuine. Fàg am bealach.)
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To: Doogle
really, if your close to the beach go back down there and flag down a cop....tell the cop you need the lifeguards ( the one suffering from Johnny Weissmuller syndrome) name and you can't get it because he threw you off the beach.
13 posted on 07/25/2009 10:27:25 AM PDT by Doogle (USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: RaceBannon

> There was ZERO water being taken out from any swirl or passage to grab anyone

You know that’s not right ay. If water is coming in, then an equal amount of water is going out. Where there are waves, there will also be Rips. That’s just physics.

Like I said, best to cut the Surf Lifesaver some slack. Particularly if he’s been doing it for 20 years.


14 posted on 07/25/2009 10:29:08 AM PDT by DieHard the Hunter (Is mise an ceann-cinnidh. Cha ghéill mi do dhuine. Fàg am bealach.)
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To: RaceBannon

You should have shown him your ID and told him who you are......


15 posted on 07/25/2009 10:34:07 AM PDT by Hot Tabasco (Who's your Long Legged MacDaddy?)
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To: RaceBannon

In defense of the lifeguard, he didn’t know your particular history from that of people from inland areas spending a day on the beach who may not no how to swim, are inexperienced swimmers, good swimmers but inexperienced with ocean swimming or, inebriated.


16 posted on 07/25/2009 10:34:46 AM PDT by fso301
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To: DieHard the Hunter

“If it were me, I’d cut him some slack.”

I somewhat agree with this sentiment. As the person who would have to retrieve your dead body, he was within his rights to warn you off.

On the other hand, it was an over-reaction to kick you out because he had trouble getting your attention.


17 posted on 07/25/2009 10:35:05 AM PDT by Owl558 ("Those who remember George Satayana are doomed to repeat him")
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To: RaceBannon
I need deep water to float

LOL! ...and I need a high bridge when I'm floating down the river on my back.

18 posted on 07/25/2009 10:37:47 AM PDT by Hot Tabasco (Who's your Long Legged MacDaddy?)
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To: AppyPappy

Like Henry Gates did?


19 posted on 07/25/2009 10:38:16 AM PDT by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: Krankor

Haha, good one! :)


20 posted on 07/25/2009 10:39:06 AM PDT by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: RaceBannon
I'm so fat, the last time I went to the beach 6 people from GreenPeace tried to pull me back into the water.

Thank you! I'm here thru Sunday.

21 posted on 07/25/2009 10:42:10 AM PDT by nufsed (Release the birth certificate, passport and school records.)
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To: RaceBannon

So when is your beheading?

Did you have to present your papers to zee Beach Nazi?


22 posted on 07/25/2009 10:42:47 AM PDT by GeronL (Guilty of the crime of deviationism.)
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To: RaceBannon

Sometimes when stupid people try to talk to me I start talking nonsense or pretend I have tourette’s.


23 posted on 07/25/2009 10:43:25 AM PDT by I got the rope
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To: RaceBannon
“All authority belongs to the people” --Thomas Jefferson

I think you've got a case!

24 posted on 07/25/2009 10:43:47 AM PDT by Delta 21 (If you cant tell if I'm being sarcastic...maybe I'm not.)
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To: RaceBannon

Hey, if you weren’t doing anything wrong, you would have had nothing to worry about.


25 posted on 07/25/2009 10:44:48 AM PDT by mysterio
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To: RaceBannon
I was a lifeguard at Seaside Heights in New Jersey. We arrived a half hour before the beach opened and swam our stretch of the beach, (guard stands every 30 yards), to scope out the conditions.

Wind, Waves and Weather, (the three Wubyas) effected the beach and they changed daily. Where a hole in the bar or high and low tide times plus weather conditions created swimming hazards we put out flags where swimming was not allowed.

New customers (beachophiles) would come and ask aboout the flags and we'd brief them about safe swimmin.

One year I had two pulls. I went solo and pulled out a 13 year old girl who wanted to hug a lifeguard and the other occurred when a nasty set of waves carried a customer into a stretch of beach that was flagged off. My bench buddy and I pulled him out and he apologized for not paying attention to the flags. He had been playing beachball catch with his son and had run into the water to retrieve the ball and a set of waves knocked him off his feet and off he went, heading towards France! He sent a thank you at lunch time when his son brought us a couple off Philly Cheese Steak subs! Yummie!

26 posted on 07/25/2009 10:58:40 AM PDT by Young Werther (Julius Caesar (Quae Cum Ita Sunt. Since these things are so.))
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To: RaceBannon

Since it’s the lifeguard who has to come out and risk his life for you if you’re wrong, I think his decision deserves a little more respect.

Doesn’t mean the lifeguard is always right. But A swimmer doesn’t have the same vantage point as a lifeguard, nor does he have the info constantly being passed to the lifeguards from other beach and weather patrols.

At our beach, all the time the lifeguards are standing up on the stands and watching for rip tides. They will whistle people to one side or the other or to come in.

When the lifeguard whistles, it’s like a cop behind you putting on his lights or siren. You’re supposed to stop what you’re doing and try to see if he is whistling you or someone else. Then do what he says. Big deal: you disagree with him on the risk of riptide. It’s a big beach and he’s got a lot of people to keep track of. Just move.

If you were on “my” beach, and it was obvious the lifeguard was whistling you, you could have even gotten a ticket for not coming in. Yeah, that gets sticky. We have surfers who won’t stay away from a restricted area, for example. If it gets bad enough, the lifeguards call the beach patrol and they will issue a ticket if appropriate (in their judgment).

If you don’t want to be under the lifeguard’s jurisdiction, don’t swim at that beach.


27 posted on 07/25/2009 11:14:11 AM PDT by fightinJAG (Good riddance, UAW.)
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To: Doogle

You gotta be kidding.

The cops just might issue a ticket to the swimmer for intentionally ignoring the lifeguard, to the point that the LG had to have someone swim out to him.


28 posted on 07/25/2009 11:17:42 AM PDT by fightinJAG (Good riddance, UAW.)
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To: DieHard the Hunter

Agreed. Especially since it’s the LG who has to go out after the swimmer if the swimmer is wrong about the riptide and gets in trouble.


29 posted on 07/25/2009 11:18:25 AM PDT by fightinJAG (Good riddance, UAW.)
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To: DieHard the Hunter

Right again.

Plus, as I also said upthread, the LGs stand up on the stands to assess riptides and have a completely different vantage point than the swimmer himself.

If a swimmer could “see” a riptide, and thus avoid it, a lot fewer people would be drowned in them.


30 posted on 07/25/2009 11:20:33 AM PDT by fightinJAG (Good riddance, UAW.)
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To: Owl558

You skipped over the part about the “unfathomable language.” I suspect it was more than simply ignoring the whistle.

Although, as I’ve said, we occasionally see surfers and swimmers ticketed by the police at our beach if they don’t respond to the whistle and come in when told to. We do have a restricted area (military) nearby, which must be avoided.


31 posted on 07/25/2009 11:23:04 AM PDT by fightinJAG (Good riddance, UAW.)
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To: RaceBannon
The language that followed was unfathomable.

Can you spell that out for us? LOL

32 posted on 07/25/2009 11:25:27 AM PDT by Diego1618
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To: RaceBannon

So you ignore a lifeguard blowing his whistle, then berate him with “unfathomable” language when he finally gets your attention, and you’re surprised you got thrown out? No wonder everyone’s comparing you to the good Professor Gates. Shouting “do you know who I am” is never as charming as you’d think.


33 posted on 07/25/2009 11:30:58 AM PDT by xjcsa (Currently shouting "I told you so" about Michael Steele on my profile page.)
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To: RaceBannon
I think the joke is that anyone would think the surf at Misquamicut Beach could approach being dangerous. (From my experience years ago when I used to live near Hartford.) The only calmer waters I know are at the Jetties on Nantucket!

ML/NJ

34 posted on 07/25/2009 11:33:56 AM PDT by ml/nj
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To: Owl558
On the other hand, it was an over-reaction to kick you out because he had trouble getting your attention.

I'm guessing the "unfathomable language" had something to do with his getting kicked out.

35 posted on 07/25/2009 11:34:01 AM PDT by xjcsa (Currently shouting "I told you so" about Michael Steele on my profile page.)
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To: DieHard the Hunter; All

you werent there

he should have cut me the slack

I was fine

far from what he called a rip tide and was just a sand bar

and not in any danger

enjoying myself

You have to live here to know this

As for the Harvard references, none of you were there. Sheesh, every veteran I told this story to had a good laugh with me, most of you on here are more like Obama than the Cambridge Cops!


36 posted on 07/25/2009 11:36:16 AM PDT by RaceBannon (DONT LET TED KENNEDY DRIVE NATIONAL HEALTH CARE:: NObama. Not my president.)
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To: RaceBannon
The sandbar gets breaks in it when the tide goes in and out.
Thats what causes the rip currents.

You could be the best swimmer in the world and he doesn't know that. He's only doing his job. People die in those every year.

Be careful the rip currents can have an undertow

37 posted on 07/25/2009 11:39:39 AM PDT by vigilante2 (My name is Jim Thompson and this is my brother Jim Thompson)
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To: RaceBannon

Settle down, mate...

> you werent there

Admittedly, I wasn’t.

> he should have cut me the slack

Probably you should have cut each other some slack. It sounds like things escalated quickly beyond a point where things could resolve amicably.

> You have to live here to know this

Probably not. Beaches are beaches, whether you’re in Hawaii or Bondi or Piha... or even Misquamicut Beach. Water works the same way when it washes ashore, and some rips *do* kick up sand from the bottom — usually it’s the strongest rips that do. You know this!

He was only looking out for your wellbeing. I dunno about where you live, but here in NZ all Surf Lifesavers are unpaid volunteers.

Would your story have been different if you’d said “sorry mate, I didn’t hear you — I’ll move right away” and then moved someplace else? I bet it would have...

Cheers
*DieHard*


38 posted on 07/25/2009 11:46:14 AM PDT by DieHard the Hunter (Is mise an ceann-cinnidh. Cha ghéill mi do dhuine. Fàg am bealach.)
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To: RaceBannon

Brown water?

Maybe he is confusing a rip tide with red tide?


39 posted on 07/25/2009 11:46:24 AM PDT by Kenny500c
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To: RaceBannon
Was the lifeguard dressed up like an evil frogman?


40 posted on 07/25/2009 11:47:06 AM PDT by Manic_Episode (Some mornings, it's just not worth chewing through the leather straps...)
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To: DieHard the Hunter
“Like I said, best to cut the Surf Lifesaver some slack.”

hose bureaucratic pukes shouldn't be allowed to “rescue” anyone unless requested by the person being rescued!

41 posted on 07/25/2009 11:47:32 AM PDT by dalereed
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To: dalereed

> hose bureaucratic pukes shouldn’t be allowed to “rescue” anyone unless requested by the person being rescued!

Your tune would quickly change if you were caught in a rip out at Piha beach. You’d be jolly glad to see the Surf Lifesavers then.

The Surf Lifesavers in New Zealand are all volunteers, not one of them could be described as “bureaucratic pukes”. I suspect the Surf Lifesavers you have in the United States would be similar to ours.


42 posted on 07/25/2009 11:54:45 AM PDT by DieHard the Hunter (Is mise an ceann-cinnidh. Cha ghéill mi do dhuine. Fàg am bealach.)
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To: Kenny500c

> Maybe he is confusing a rip tide with red tide?

Some of the stronger rips disturb the sea bottom and bring up sand, making the water look brown.


43 posted on 07/25/2009 11:56:39 AM PDT by DieHard the Hunter (Is mise an ceann-cinnidh. Cha ghéill mi do dhuine. Fàg am bealach.)
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To: RaceBannon

Back in the 60’s a guy probably around 75 with leather for skin, always swam out to the second sand bar. He was never bothered by anyone. He lived there and was revered by us kids as a no-fear kinda guy. This was at Panama City, FL. (of course there still isn’t any lifeguards down there)


44 posted on 07/25/2009 12:07:21 PM PDT by eyedigress
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To: Doogle

YIKES......


45 posted on 07/25/2009 2:04:38 PM PDT by goat granny
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To: Hot Tabasco

LOL at your LOL :O)


46 posted on 07/25/2009 2:06:33 PM PDT by goat granny
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To: Kenny500c

If its brown you flush it down...


47 posted on 07/25/2009 2:07:59 PM PDT by goat granny
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To: RaceBannon

"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience."

~ CS Lewis ~

48 posted on 07/25/2009 2:10:32 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: RaceBannon; Salamander
"the moron was a BOZO!!!"



So how did he swim with those big, heavy shoes?

49 posted on 07/25/2009 2:16:18 PM PDT by shibumi (" ..... then we will fight in the shade.")
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To: goat granny

HEY- that is pretty good- - -almost 50 comments with Water and New England involved and TKennedy’s name hasn’t been mentioned.
There — I took care of that....
Mary Jo Kopeckni (1940-1969)thanks to teddy boy


50 posted on 07/25/2009 2:17:28 PM PDT by xrmusn
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