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Why did Congress exempt themselves from Obamacare?

Posted on 07/26/2009 6:19:00 PM PDT by Sun

Why did Congress exempt themselves from being included in the healthcare they want for the rest of Americans?

Maybe it's because Congress members don't want themselves and their families to be at the mercy of bureaucrats about whether they can receive quality of life treatments, or even treatments for their very life or death; rationing; long lines; or when they become senior citizens, be forced to have counseling every five years, or more often if they are sick, regarding alternatives for end of life care.

Rep. John Fleming, (the 2007 Louisiana family physician of the year), put forth a bill, HR615 to urge congress members, who vote for the healthcare reform bill, to lead by example and enroll themselves in this public plan. Visit his website, www.fleming.house.gov, and see if your congressperson signed on as co-sponsor of Rep. Fleming's bill. If they did not, ask them why.


TOPICS: Government; Health/Medicine; Politics
KEYWORDS: 111th; abortion; bhohealthcare; deathpanels; democrats; fleming; johnfleming; keepfighting; la; louisiana; obamacare; zerocare
It might also be a good idea to pass along Fleming's website link to family and friends in other states so they can find out if their congressperson is looking out for them. Maybe you and your friends, would be willing to write a letter to the editor in your respective state with Fleming's website, so voters around the country will realize what a disaster this healthcare bill is - so bad that members of Congress do not want to be included.
1 posted on 07/26/2009 6:19:01 PM PDT by Sun
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To: Sun
Congress, particularly the liberal dems and RINOs believe they are a "cut above", like they are some kind of royalty.

It is past time that we disabuse them of that notion.

The do not want to live under the same health provisions that they prescribe for the rest of us. Neither does Obama.

Here is a link to the full House Democrat Health Care Plan in PDF. In Section 1233 E & F, pages 426-433, you find the part about mandatory end-of-life counseling for anyone over 65 years of age. Section 152 Page 50: All healthcare services will be provided without regard to "personal characteristcs" which is not defined within the document as is understood to include immigration status.

A lot more provisions now being documented at that site.

HOUSE DEMOCRAT HEALTH CARE PLAN - http://www.jeffhead.com/DemHealthCare.htm

Also, here's a large image of the Democratic (Obama) Health Plan chart-another Obama empty promise. This is the one the House democrats are censuring. Email these links or the image to everyone you know.


Decmocrat (Obama) Health Plan
http://www.jeffhead.com/DemHealthCare.htm

Obama and all those pushing his radical agenda are abject marxist ideologues. Their "fundamental; change" is nothing more than a destruction of the American free market and fundamental republican principle.

A PETITION FOR CONSTITUTIONAL RESTORATION

THE AUDACITY OF TRUTH ABOUT BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA

A 4TH OF JULY TEA PARTY SPEECH

UNITED SOCIALIST STATES OF AMERICA - A SONG
By Ron and Kay Rivoli

...and on the lighter side, take your mind off the Obamanation for a few minutes and enjoy some beautiful Western US scenery slideshows.

JEFF HEAD'S WESTERN US SCENERY SLIDE SHOWS

2 posted on 07/26/2009 6:21:14 PM PDT by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free...never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: Sun

same reason they vote themselves raises, ....they can

reminds me of that joke about a dog......


3 posted on 07/26/2009 6:22:18 PM PDT by Doogle (USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: Sun

It is unconsitutional under the equal protection clause of the constitution. We must bring this to the SCOTUS as soon as this monstosity is passed and signed into “law”.


4 posted on 07/26/2009 6:24:25 PM PDT by Shady (The Fairness Doctrine is ANYTHING but fair!!!!)
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To: Sun

It’s because they TRULY believe that they deserve the BEST and we, the masses should all divide a generic, marginal system that THEY can control.
They’re better than us, mind you...


5 posted on 07/26/2009 6:25:09 PM PDT by J40000
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To: Sun

I think its unbelievable that someone had enough guts to come out & say it! Thats exactly how it is...congress & senate knows that it is a deathcare bill.

I say we demand that if they pass it, they have to be on it too! The potus too - if one of our children dies from a curable illness because they won’t allow treatment, then by God, Zero’s children better face the same fate...is that what he wants? Has he even thought of that? Would he allow his own children to die when he knows there are treatments available?

No...of course not. But he’ll let us & our children die!


6 posted on 07/26/2009 6:25:49 PM PDT by Atom Smasher
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To: Sun

It might also be a good idea to pass along Fleming’s website link

I agree :)

http://fleming.house.gov/index.html


7 posted on 07/26/2009 6:25:52 PM PDT by Vn_survivor_67-68 (CALL CONGRESSCRITTERS TOLL-FREE @ 1-800-965-4701)
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To: Jeff Head

Thanks for all that great information, and I’ll repeat this because it is so chilling:

“In Section 1233 E & F, pages 426-433, you find the part about mandatory end-of-life counseling for anyone over 65 years of age. Section 152 Page 50: All healthcare services will be provided without regard to “personal characteristcs” which is not defined within the document as is understood to include immigration status.”


8 posted on 07/26/2009 6:27:05 PM PDT by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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To: Doogle

They can and do because the voters are to lazy or care and therefore keep returning the same arrogant corrupt slugs to office.


9 posted on 07/26/2009 6:28:03 PM PDT by chiefqc
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To: Sun

Simple. Even your garden variety congress-critter (as stupid and venal as they are) knows that obamacare is a steaming pile of sh*t.


10 posted on 07/26/2009 6:28:08 PM PDT by Howie66 (The one redeeming thing about liberals: their tendency to kill their own.)
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To: Doogle

licking ones balls


11 posted on 07/26/2009 6:28:24 PM PDT by al baby (Hi Mom ;))
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To: Sun

bump


12 posted on 07/26/2009 6:32:12 PM PDT by Dubya (Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father,but by me)
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To: Vn_survivor_67-68

Expressing the sense of the House of Representatives that
Members who vote in favor of the establishment of a
public, federal government run health insurance option
are urged to forgo their right to participate in the Federal
Employees Health Benefits Program (FEHBP) and
agree to enroll under that public option.

Here is the Blue Cross which is (and will remain) available to all Federal Employees, Congress included:

http://www.fepblue.org/


13 posted on 07/26/2009 6:33:29 PM PDT by Vn_survivor_67-68 (CALL CONGRESSCRITTERS TOLL-FREE @ 1-800-965-4701)
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To: Sun

stay on this and obamacare will die.....demand that THEY be included. period.


14 posted on 07/26/2009 6:33:55 PM PDT by The Wizard (Democrat Party: a criminal enterprise)
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To: Sun

"WELCOME TO THE REAL AMERICA WHERE CRIMINALS GET TO BE
CELEBRITIES AND CELEBRITIES GET AWAY WITH MURDER."
"TO DIE FOR" Columbia Pictures

All animals are equal, but those with relatives in the US Congress,
are much more equal than others.


15 posted on 07/26/2009 6:35:21 PM PDT by Diogenesis ("Those who go below the surface do so at their peril" - Oscar Wilde)
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To: Sun

Social Security too!


16 posted on 07/26/2009 6:35:33 PM PDT by sickoflibs (Socialist Conservatives: "'Big government is free because tax cuts pay for it'")
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To: Jeff Head

thanks again for all the hard work.


17 posted on 07/26/2009 6:35:38 PM PDT by Freedom'sWorthIt
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To: Vn_survivor_67-68

Enroll online using your agency’s preferred method:

Employee Express:
See a list of agencies participating in Employee Express

Department of Defense:
DoD automated enrollment systems

US Postal Service:
PostalEASE system or the telephone enrollment system

Department of Energy:
DOE automated systems

Health and Human Services and Environmental Protection:
MyPay

Employees of agencies paid through the National Finance Center:
Employee Personal Page
Standard Option

Or, fill out the SF 2809 Form [PDF 459 KB] and submit a copy to your Human Resource office.

Annuitants:
Please visit the
Office of Personnel Management(OPM)’s website for enrollment instructions.

* Basic Consumer Option is currently limited to federal employees residing in the following Plan areas: Anthem Blue Cross Blue Shield — Ohio; Blue Cross Blue Shield of Minnesota; Blue Cross Blue Shield of Tennessee; and BlueCross Blue Shield of Kansas City.

** Online resources provided by OPM at
www.opm.gov/insure.


18 posted on 07/26/2009 6:36:31 PM PDT by Vn_survivor_67-68 (CALL CONGRESSCRITTERS TOLL-FREE @ 1-800-965-4701)
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To: Sun

Why did they exempt themselves????? Please...please...PLEASE tell me that this is a joke!


19 posted on 07/26/2009 6:59:17 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Christian+Veteran=Terrorist)
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To: Sun

Is plastic surgery and Botox included in DeathCare? If not, SanFranNan would have nowhere to go for a touch-up.


20 posted on 07/26/2009 7:05:25 PM PDT by SERKIT ("Blazing Saddles" explains it all.....)
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To: Sun

Come on.....we’re the peasants..doncha know...yur supposed to tip your hat, shut up, lay back and take it like the peon your masters know you are...


21 posted on 07/26/2009 7:10:33 PM PDT by mo
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To: Sun
If you're referring to the Federal Employees' Health Benefit Program (FEHBP), which covers current federal employees, postal workers, Congress, and retirees of the above-mentioned groups, I can speak with some knowledge of the program, because I have been covered by the FEHBP for thirty years.

It's a decent program but it lacks a lot of frills that many other plans have. That's why I have to laugh when critics of Obamacare hold up "Congress' Plan" as the great gold standard of health plans.

The FEHBP is a collection of hundreds of plans, most of them local HMO's (every state has their own version of the nationally-recognized HMO's.) In addition, there's a collection of union plans (Treasury Employees, GEHA GOvernment Employees, American Postal Worker's, Mailhandlers, National Association of Letter Carriers) which require an enrollee to be a member of their union and pay either full or associate member union dues to then enroll in their health plan);

Then there's the government Blue Cross program, which I am in. This plan is an amalgamation of what used to be High Option (pay more, get more bennies) and Low or Standard Option (the opposite). In the Federal Employees Blue Cross plan, here's one example of cost-cutting: the government has decided we must pay a 25 percent copay for surgeries.

For example, I have had two medically-necessary outpatient surgeries in recent years (getting pre-approval, using plan-approved and affiliated physicians and facilities) which cost me $2,000 (on an $8,000 bill) and $1,500 (on a $6,000 bill) I have had to set up a payment plan to pay off these amounts. These are the types of co-pays that Americans will have to pay if the Government gives them the 'favor' of enrolling them in 'the same plan as Congress'.

Unless the Government gives them something worse, something akin to the government HMO's. I was in two nationally-named plans over the years and got out of both of them because of substandard care, which included:

1) being treated by a nurse practitioner instead of a physician.

2) being turned away at the height of flu season (this happened while I was enrolled in two different HMO plans). In one case, I was told that the plan was timely in rescheduling me within 24 hours. I begged them to see me since I was sick and hacking away, but they refused to treat me as a walk-in and said the earliest they would schedule me was in 24 hours.

3) The HMO's that I was in would never give me a prescription strong enough to cure the problem. I would hack away for a week and go back and the nurse practitioner would say, We'll have to give you something stronger. Why didn't they give me the good stuff on the first visit? When I enrolled in Blue Cross and got treatment from a good neighborhood doctor (plan-approved but still my own choice for a doctor), I received much better care.

One more comment on the Blue Cross option that I'm in. They pay for root canals but they don't pay for the crown - which costs $1000 or more. They pay for eye examinations but when you take the prescription to get it filled, the eyeglass places tell me, your plan doesn't cover this, you have to pay full price. I have talked to many people over the years who have MUCH better health coverage than my government plan. They have all sorts of frills and are surprised that my plan doesn't cover it.

That said, I earned my health benefits by my own labor, and it would make me ill to see what benefits I have, reduced, just so that the government can enroll as many illegal aliens as possible and force reluctant citizens into my plan - then raise my costs and lower my benefits and treatment. I worked for my health benefits. It's one good benefit that I have.

I have sympathy for those without benefits, but there are emergency rooms to treat them. In my area, we have Catholic Charities and several clinics, one connected with the Presbyterian Church, that offer free treatment for those who cannot pay. My state has a good program for uninsured children. There are treatment options in place for those who are uninsured. I earned my coverage. My employer told us it was part of our salary at the time of contract negotiations.

Many of the uninsured that I know are women who work part-time. They're either covered by their spouses or they simply choose not to spend the money to enroll. They choose to spend that money instead on children's tuition, vacations, etc. All well and good, but why should they hold out their hands to the government and demand the same level of health coverage that I earned by working full time for an entire career?

22 posted on 07/26/2009 7:17:37 PM PDT by Ciexyz (Color me red, white and blue - I attended a tea party on July 4th.)
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To: Vn_survivor_67-68; Diogenesis
May I respectfully refer you to my comments in Post #22 of this thread.
23 posted on 07/26/2009 7:26:31 PM PDT by Ciexyz (Color me red, white and blue - I attended a tea party on July 4th.)
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To: Gay State Conservative; Sun
I can tell you for a fact that the government employees and retirees will sh## if they're forced into Obamacare. Considering their unions told 'em all to vote Obama.
24 posted on 07/26/2009 7:29:35 PM PDT by Ciexyz (Color me red, white and blue - I attended a tea party on July 4th.)
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To: Ciexyz

Federal Employees’ Health Benefit Program (FEHBP), which covers current federal employees, postal workers, Congress, and retirees of the above-mentioned groups,
77777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777

here is the 2009 FEHBP Blue Cross plan comparisons and costs, deductibles, etc

http://www.fepblue.org/benefitplans/compare/index.html


25 posted on 07/26/2009 7:31:00 PM PDT by Vn_survivor_67-68 (CALL CONGRESSCRITTERS TOLL-FREE @ 1-800-965-4701)
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To: Ciexyz

Thanks for the info. but the plan you outlined, even if Congress does use it, is not the plan they want for us, friend.

Does it include radical rationing; long lines; or when they become senior citizens, be forced to have counseling every five years, or more often if they are sick, regarding alternatives for end of life care?

And here’s more on Obamacare that I don’t think you have:

“DEADLY DOCTORS
O ADVISORS WANT TO RATION CARE
By BETSY MCCAUGHEY

July 24, 2009 —

snip

Dr. Ezekiel Emanuel, the brother of White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel. He has already been appointed to two key positions: health-policy adviser at the Office of Management and Budget and a member of Federal Council on Comparative Effectiveness Research.
snip

Savings, he writes, will require changing how doctors think about their patients: Doctors take the Hippocratic Oath too seriously, “as an imperative to do everything for the patient regardless of the cost or effects on others” (Journal of the American Medical Association, June 18, 2008).
snip

He says medical care should be reserved for the non-disabled,

www.defendyourhealthcare.us

So if according to Emanuel, the NONdisabled should not get medical care, what is to happen to adults and children with cerebral palsy, people with dementia, or Americans who have Parkinson’s?


26 posted on 07/26/2009 7:32:22 PM PDT by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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To: Ciexyz

I did read #22.....hard to reconcile it with the linked plan info I linked in #25


27 posted on 07/26/2009 7:40:51 PM PDT by Vn_survivor_67-68 (CALL CONGRESSCRITTERS TOLL-FREE @ 1-800-965-4701)
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To: Jeff Head
Congress, particularly the liberal dems and RINOs...

Unfounding misstatement and possible lying on your part. All indications are that not a single republican in the house or senate is voting for this bill. You can not group dems with rinos here. It is a falsehood.

28 posted on 07/26/2009 8:14:22 PM PDT by staytrue
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To: Sun
I agree, the specifics of Obamacare, as the info becomes available, scares me very much. I actually feel a growing sense of dread, the more I hear about it. It's almost like we're living in Germany in the 30's as that nation became more and more Nazified.
29 posted on 07/26/2009 8:15:16 PM PDT by Ciexyz (Color me red, white and blue - I attended a tea party on July 4th.)
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To: staytrue
I never said they would vote for the bill...I do however stand by my statement that they (libs and RINOs) think they are somehow a cut above.

No lie in this in any case...simply my own opinion.

We shall see on the bill when the votes are cast in the House and the Senate (because Congress includes both).

30 posted on 07/26/2009 8:17:16 PM PDT by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free...never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: Vn_survivor_67-68
hard to reconcile it with the linked plan info I linked in #25

Not quite sure what you mean, friend. However, the info I posted in #22 was my Federal Blue Cross plan as I am living it now.

That said, every doctor or ER room that I've gone to over the years has been very happy to see me hand over a FEHBP card.

31 posted on 07/26/2009 8:19:12 PM PDT by Ciexyz (Color me red, white and blue - I attended a tea party on July 4th.)
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To: Sun

Because if Congress had to use the same kind of healthcare...Senator Kennedy would be pushing up daisies.


32 posted on 07/26/2009 10:00:15 PM PDT by TNdandelion (This should be fun.)
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To: Sun; All

33 posted on 07/27/2009 12:56:06 AM PDT by backhoe (All across America, the Lights are going out...)
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To: Sun
P>

""BECAUSE WE CAN ....... SUCKERS"


34 posted on 07/27/2009 3:20:56 AM PDT by Diogenesis ("Those who go below the surface do so at their peril" - Oscar Wilde)
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To: Sun

They were going to do this too in the 90,s when it was Hilary-care they wanted to shove up everybodies axx.


35 posted on 07/27/2009 3:55:59 AM PDT by Waco (Libs exhale too much)
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To: Ciexyz
Considering their unions told 'em all to vote Obama.

I'm not sure that many recipients of government paychecks (notice that I didn't call them "workers") in this country had to be told for whom to work or to vote.My brother is a government employee....Mass every Sunday,straight arrow (and always has been)....and he votes RAT 100% of the time.

36 posted on 07/27/2009 8:22:14 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Christian+Veteran=Terrorist)
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To: backhoe

Thanks for the appropriate pix.


37 posted on 07/27/2009 7:59:55 PM PDT by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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To: Diogenesis

And thanks for your pictures. Funny.


38 posted on 07/27/2009 8:02:06 PM PDT by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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