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My One and Only Post on Birthers
The Provocateur ^ | 07/29/2009 | Mike Volpe

Posted on 07/29/2009 9:46:00 AM PDT by fiscon1

I never really worried about the so called controversy of th birth of President Obama because I am no fan of conspiracy theories. In order to believe that President Obama wasn't born in Hawaii, you not only have to believe that a conspiracy is being created involving an entire state's bureaucratic apparatus, but you also have to believe that President Obama has been lying, or lied to, since he was a child. After all, he's maintained he was born in Hawaii since he was a kid. Either he was claiming this lie long before he wanted to be president, or his entire family lied to him about his place of birth.

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TOPICS: Government
KEYWORDS: article2section1; barackobama; bho44; birthcertificate; birthers; certifigate; colb; conspiracytheories; imom; naturalborn; obama; obamanoncitizenissue; obroma; republicans
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1 posted on 07/29/2009 9:46:01 AM PDT by fiscon1
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To: fiscon1

You are an idiot. Before you wade into issues you should at least make an attempt to understand what the issue is. It’s not about Obama being born in Hawaii but rather is he a natural born citizen. By the way, welcome to Free Republic.


2 posted on 07/29/2009 9:50:15 AM PDT by Abbeville Conservative (Sarah Palin, the only cure for the RINO virus.)
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To: fiscon1
In order to believe that President Obama wasn't born in Hawaii, you not only have to believe that a conspiracy is being created involving an entire state's bureaucratic apparatus, but you also have to believe that President Obama has been lying, or lied to, since he was a child.

Wrong.
3 posted on 07/29/2009 9:50:15 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Seniors, the new shovel ready project under socialized medicine.)
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To: fiscon1

This blogger starts from an incorrect premise - it’s not necessary to assume a big conspiracy. Instead, all that’s needed is a family that is not too thrilled their an 18 year old daughter who has just given birth to their only grandchile being married to a whacky racist from Kenya in an era when mixed-race marriage was still a rarity. All it would have taken is a few entries on a form to give the newborn US citizenship, and no one at the state of HI ever gave it a second thought. The grandparents could probably see that a divorce was inevitable, and if the baby had Kenyan (British Colony) citizenship, it would give Obama Sr. an advantage over their daughter.

No proof, but just think about the family dynamics and it makes sense.


4 posted on 07/29/2009 9:58:35 AM PDT by bigbob
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To: fiscon1

The major factor isn’t if he was born in Hawaii.
It is about whether he was a “Natural-Born Citizen”.
His putative father was not a citizen, and his minor mother could not legally pass on citizenship to him.

I am not a Natural-Born Citizen, as both of my parents were British Subjects, with ties to the Crown, at my birth.


5 posted on 07/29/2009 9:59:02 AM PDT by gigster
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To: fiscon1

His dad was NOT an American....end of story.


6 posted on 07/29/2009 9:59:17 AM PDT by devistate one four (Back by popular demand: America love or leave it (GTFOOMC) TET68)
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To: fiscon1

All the insane rantings of the left wing about George W. Bush and the Republican Party sure did hurt the Democrat Party. They were never able to recover from it. Now they will never recapture the White House, Congress, or Senate.


7 posted on 07/29/2009 10:02:06 AM PDT by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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To: Abbeville Conservative

“You are an idiot.”

Well, us “idiots” believe that this whole thing is a comic side show, kinda like the “Cheney-Haliburton” conspiracies, or the entire TANG controversy, of the last 8 years.

This looks like the craziness that we laughed at over at KOS in the last 8 years.

Gang, we can beat this guy (Obama) in the arena of ideas. If we get sidetracked on this non-issue, then we lose focus for the debate over ideas and policies. Worse yet, the “other side” can (and will) point to this whole thing as a sure sign that we’re nuts, kinda like we did during the 8 years of the KOS BDS.


8 posted on 07/29/2009 10:03:11 AM PDT by TWohlford
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To: devistate one four

“His dad was NOT an American....end of story.”

Mom was. You point?


9 posted on 07/29/2009 10:03:41 AM PDT by TWohlford
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To: fiscon1
Either he was claiming this lie long before he wanted to be president, or his entire family lied to him about his place of birth.

Actually, that is not so far-fetched. People do that all the time for the silliest of reasons. My family lied to me about the death of one of my uncles, and I didn't find out the truth until I ran into one of my cousins at my son's wedding. My uncle (an Annapolis grad) supposedly died of a burst appendix shortly before he was to take command of his first ship which was later sunk at Pearl Harbor. Old family story repeated time after time at family reunions.

Truth? My uncle died of colon cancer at Bethesda, MD. The family never spoke of the real reason because in the 1940s-1960s nobody ever wanted to admit that any relative succumbed to cancer.

There could be many reasons why his family would want to cover up the circumstances of Obama's birth. This was a seriously screwed up family.

As I mentioned on another thread, my mother actually tried to persuade me to fly back to CA to give birth to my oldest (leaving my husband) just so that she could claim to be a native Californian. Ostensibly this was so that she could claim the right to run for Maid of Cotton (had to be born in a cotton producing state) just in case she was pretty and would have wanted to do that! Geeeesh! My (otherwise) sane mother was off the deep end on this one.

Of course I said No, and not only because I had already paid the doctor to attend the birth! And yes, she placed birth announcements in every paper in every town where either my husband, or me, had ever lived!

That is what ambitious mothers did in 1960.

10 posted on 07/29/2009 10:04:03 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: fiscon1

The press and even conservative pundits and Republican politicans are doing nothing but laughing about the “birther” theory and criticizing people for buying into it. What they fail to do is to refute it point-by-point.

I thought it was a kooky theory, too, at first. But, there’s much more to it than Obama’s place of birth, such as:

Does his father’s nationality affect his natural born status?
Does his stepfather’s adoption of him and his living in another country as a child affect his status?
And so many more questions.

Most of us aren’t legal scholars. But, when these questions arise, the press should answer them. Tell us. Cover the story point by point.

But, no, instead they’re demonizing anyone who even dares to talk about the story (for example, Dobbs).


11 posted on 07/29/2009 10:04:32 AM PDT by Tired of Taxes (Dad, I will always think of you.)
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To: fiscon1

The very first assertion you make is false! There need be no “conspiracy” involving state officials. They are legally bound NOT to release the birth certificate unless Obama or a close relative requests a copy.


12 posted on 07/29/2009 10:05:59 AM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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To: TWohlford

Mom, by law, could not pass citizenship to him.
Do a little research before spouting.


13 posted on 07/29/2009 10:08:27 AM PDT by gigster
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To: Abbeville Conservative

Why won’t he release his long form? Or any form for that matter?


14 posted on 07/29/2009 10:09:40 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: fiscon1

The second assertion you make is false! It is NOT the least bit improbable that Obama was lied to, and has been himself lying, about his birthplace, because, if he was not born in Hawaii, his mother had a substantial reason to lie, from the day of his birth, because: If Obama was born in Hawaii, he was a citizen; if he was not born in Hawaii, he has never been a citizen.

There’s no particular virtue in being a “provocateur” if all you are really doing is mouthing off uninformed nonsense that other people, if they have the patience, are “provoked” into correcting.


15 posted on 07/29/2009 10:11:36 AM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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To: fiscon1
Try reading the FR threads posted by Ron Polarik revealing the forgery hallmarks. And here's a quick list of deceits your president has committed regarding his history ... finding more is very difficult because the bastard has sent detectives and lawyers out to bury his past, like the only file missing from the kindergarten he attended is, you guessed it, Barry Obama, aka Barry Soeotoro's file!

-- Obama lied on his application to the Illinois Bar Association and the photocopy is part of legal filings in court, where he swore that he had never been known by any name except Barack Obama ... he has used Barry Dunham, Barry Obama, and Barry Soetoro as so far discovered

-- Obama's Selective Service card is so badly forged that the type face doesn't even match

-- Obama filed on the Internet a supposed copy of his CoLB he claimed was sent from Hawaii ... it is a clear forgery, a false document which, when it appeared a legal case just might get to discovery, the Obama campaign goons scrubbed fromt he Internet

-- After posting a clear forgery of a supposed CoLB, Obama presented an exhibit to the same factcheck.org people who posted his first forgery, and has claimed that this is the real CoLB from Hawaii

-- The supposed birth announcement for barry from supposedly 1961 lists an address where witnesses have said no black man with a white wife and a mixed baby ever lived, a home occupied by a different family until just three years ago

-- The driver's License listed on the parking tickets from Cambridge Mass from when Barry was in Harvard reference a Social Security number which belonged to a man more than a hundred years old, long dead

-- Barack Obama has 39 different social security numbers and they are listed in a court filing in California

16 posted on 07/29/2009 10:12:39 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: fiscon1

BTW, hello n00b.


17 posted on 07/29/2009 10:13:11 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: fiscon1

“In order to believe that President Obama wasn’t born in Hawaii, you not only have to believe that a conspiracy is being created involving an entire state’s bureaucratic apparatus, but you also have to believe that President Obama has been lying, or lied to, since he was a child.”

First of all, how is it a ‘conspiracy by the entire state’s bureaucatic apparatus’? It’s a matter of privacy and anyone working in that ‘apparatus’ would be in deep trouble for divulging a person’s private information. The only thing the Hawaii government has to do is wait for the non-forthcoming request from one Barack Obama Jr.


18 posted on 07/29/2009 10:17:15 AM PDT by autumnraine (You can't fix stupid, but you can vote it out!)
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To: TWohlford

HA! WE CAN BEAT THIS GUY ON IDEAS!!!

Wow, we only heard that about 10,000 times before the election!

Sorry you think this crazy, but I’d imagine you don’t much about the issue. Personally, I don’t think he was born in Kenya. I do believe he was probably born in Canada since the Dunhams lived in Seattle for several years before moving to Hawaii and would have known about the ‘free healthcare’ which would be perfect for a Kenyan student and unemployment 18 year old to need. A “free” birth.

Furthermore, there is still the question of what the founders intended by “Natural Born”. The intention was something to the effect of ‘born as subject to no other head of state” which rules out Obama as he was also a British subject for a few years until Kenya won it’s independance and then became (by his own admission) a dual citizen of Kenya until the age of 21.


19 posted on 07/29/2009 10:21:20 AM PDT by autumnraine (You can't fix stupid, but you can vote it out!)
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To: TWohlford

You don’t get it either. All we want to see is some proof that he is a natural born citizen as required by the Constitution. Just upholding the Constitution of the United States of America. No more no less.

By the way why don’t you try to get a bank loan with no proof of ID?


20 posted on 07/29/2009 10:22:41 AM PDT by Parley Baer
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