Skip to comments.Ask National Review to correct the factual errors in their "Birthers" editorial
Posted on 07/29/2009 2:17:19 PM PDT by lonewacko_dot_com
As discussed here, the recent National Review editorial "Born in the U.S.A." (read it here) contains at least three false statements. I've twice contacted NRO asking them to correct those false statements, and I haven't received a reply. So, please use the email addresses given at the end of this post to send them brief and polite emails focused only on the false statements discussed below.
The errors I found (there might be others) occur in this part of the editorial:
The Hawaiian birth certificate President Obama has produced - the document is formally known as a "certificate of live birth" - bears that information. It has been inspected by reporters, and several state officials have confirmed that the information in permanent state records is identical to that on the presidents birth certificate - which is precisely what one expects, of course, since the state records are used to generate those documents when they are requested. In other words, what President Obama has produced is the real birth certificate of myth and lore. The director of Hawaiis health department and the registrar of records each has personally verified that the information on Obamas birth certificate is identical to that in the states records, the so-called vault copy.
1. The statement "several state officials have confirmed that the information in permanent state records is identical to that on the presidents birth certificate" is false. No Hawaiian official has ever said that. Read the actual statements from 10/31/2008 and 7/27/09, and compare that to the National Review's lie. In neither statement do they say anything about the picture on Obama's site. Further, aside from a statement from a DOH spokeswoman that she won't confirm, no other statements from the Hawaiian government confirmed anything relating to this issue. The last sentence in the National Review's quote is false for the same reasons. Those aren't just minor points: if NRO doesn't even understand what those earlier statement actually contain but is instead going off distorted AP summaries, can their opinion be trusted?
2. The document has not been inspected "by reporters". The only people outside the Obama camp who claim to have seen a paper copy are FactCheck. As discussed at that link, they aren't exactly a credible source. They also aren't document experts, nor did they call in document experts. Per their page , those who they claim saw the document were their "representatives" and "staffers", not reporters. And, their pictures were later silently recompressed and edited to remove camera data that had a date months earlier than the pictures were supposedly taken.
3. National Reviews wants to deal with this "formally", but they can't even read what it says on the picture on Obama's site. The document in question isn't a "certificate of live birth" as they state, it's a "certification of live birth". To some that might be a small difference, but when dealing with legal issues seemingly minor issues can be very major.
Please send brief, polite emails that focus only on the lies discussed above or other lies in the editorial to one or more of the following: comments.lowry *at* nationalreview.com, JonahNRO *at* gmail.com, and klopez *at* nationalreview.com
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Obamas grandmother got his certs. He was not born in Hawaii. His sister 100% born in Indonesia has one just like it. You do not have to be born in Hawaii to have a colb. To qualify for Hawaiian Homelands program you have to be Hawaiian. The State will not accept the colb as proof of Hawaiian birth.
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Hawaiian Home Lands is a program for indigenous Hawaiians. You need to prove that you have ethnic Hawaiian ancestry, not that you were born in Hawaii. That's why a COLB is irrelevant to that program.
I haven't seen a copy of the sister's COLB; do you have a link to it?
And his daddy was NOT an American
It seemed so unlikely just a month or two ago but... I think the fact that he has spent hundreds of thousands of dollars trying to keep his long form birth certificate out of the hands of the public is the issue that is going to pull the flush handle on this idiot. The reason is that it is so simple to comprehend.
At work I was recently confronted with Ozombies having fits about how this whole thing is a pile of crap. The conversations went something similar to this:
I asked them, “Have you ever seen your own birth certificate?” They answered, “Yes.”
Then I asked, “Does it have the name of the doctor who delivered you on it?” They answered, “Yes.” I asked, “Does it have the name of the hospital where you were born?” They answered, “Well yes.”
“Why doesn't the one Obama released have this information on it?” They said, “It does! It's been verified by the state of Hawaii!” I said, “No it doesn't, you go look it up. He didn't release his birth certificate, he released a certification of live birth that does not have that info on it.”
I then asked, “Would you spend hundreds of thousands of dollars to keep your birth certificate from being seen in a court of law?” They said, “Well no why would I do that?” I said, “Well that is what Obama has done.” They said, “That is a lie. There is no reason for him to do that. You won't be happy with anything he could release.”
I said, “No, I just want him to release the document that shows the doctor who delivered him and name of the hospital where he was born. He hasn't done that. You go look it up.” Of course the idiot wouldn't concede because he is an idiot, but several others who witnessed us sparring joined in and said they couldn't believe Obama would spend that much money hiding his birth certificate and wondered why. They became converts immediately. This thing resonates! Anyone with any sense knows that there is something going on.
It was on another thread and I heard about it on Quinn and Rose. I had heard before that he has a half sister by his step-father Sotero. I wonder if there is an announcement in the Honolulu paper about her. This guy is as shady as they come and nobody knows for sure about anything in his past. I think he is a Communist operative indoctrinated as a kid by Frank Marshall Davis. A Communist “recruiter” and organizer. It is the only way any of this makes any sense. His dad was a Communist..His Mom and grandparents..His associates...Logic dictates. I think his Grandmother set it up.
I know. He was a Kenyan Communist. He met Obamas mother in a Russian language class at UH. Hmmm a Russian class.
Nice canard there, ace. So the hospital, the address at birth, the doc’s name help verify HI ancestry?
They asked for the ORIGINAL BC because they know what we all know. The information on a COLB does not necessarily reflect the info at birth.
What? I'm not sure what you mean. I'm saying that the birth certificate (and COLB) don't confirm Hawaiian ancestry, which is why the program set up to track that and dole out benefits to those of Hawaiian descent needs different documentation. I'm saying that the fact that Hawaiian Home Lands doesn't accept a COLB has nothing to do with whether Obama is a legitimate citizen, and whether a COLB is an acceptable proof of citizenship and Hawaiian birth.
OK, see, this is why the birther movement is doomed to fail.
I’m with Ann Coulter, Bill O’Reilly, Michelle Malkin, and a whole bunch of others who say that while Obama is a lousy president, he WAS born in Hawaii, and he IS eligible to be president.
From the Dems’ point of view, there are two very good reasons for not releasing either the birth certificate or the attending doctor. Remember what happened with the truthers after 9/11? Anyone and everyone whose name was connected with those planes was hounded by the truther idiots. A lady took a picture of smoke rising from the Flight 93 crash site. She got crazy and threatening emails and letters. Untold numbers of engineers weighed in on how there were no explosives planted. They STILL get threatened. And now you want to release the names of any doctors or midwifes or secretaries or anyone else connected with this? Can you IMAGINE the crap they’re going to go through? It’s not like the birth certificate is going to be released, and then Orly Taitz and everyone else associated with the movement is going to examine it and go “Oh well, there you go. You were right and we were wrong. Sorry about that. Let’s move on to health care.” This movement has gone wayyyy too far for that to happen. It’ll never end. Birthers are about one step away from being like the truthers. If that certificate ever gets released, they’ll take that last step right into “Holographic Planes Pretending to Crash into the Towers” territory. Everyone who is remotely associated with that piece of paper will suddenly be made to feel very uncomfortable, and I for one do NOT want to see it released.
The second reason is political. Think about it: Why SHOULD Obama want to release his birth certificate. The way it is now, he can’t lose. Not only is every question asked about the birth certificate not one asked about pertinent issues such as socialized medicine, his military strategy (or lack thereof), or the economy, but the more the birther movement grows, the more nuts the conservatives appear, because we don’t seem to want to distance ourselves from this movement, let alone know how to do it. All Obama and his camp have to do is just let this mad merry-go-round spin out of control, and we are fulfilling his desire very well.
I mean, when I look at the Youtube video of Miss Screamy McSkrewzaloose yelling at Senator Whoever and hijacking the microphone to lead the Pledge of Allegiance along with her freaky little friends, it turns me off. It turns a lot of other conservatives off too, and if you think the dems aren’t going to be helped by this ranting and raving, you are sadly mistaken.
Birthers. I’m talking to all of you. OK? Let it go. Let it alll go. Get the Russian bear to dance on her ball somewhere else. If you’re in the military, follow your lawful orders. Mutiny is NEVER a good campaign strategy. Obama won and we lost. Rather than rend our clothes and cry to our god, maybe we should be thinking about WHY this inexperienced socialist managed to beat us. Don’t think about the past, certainly not all the way back to 1961. You won’t get anywhere unless you want a cabinet position in Obama’s administration in 2012. Think ahead and grow up.
Simple question simple answer. All Obama has to do is prove it.
You’ve been here a long time. /sarc Congratulations on your 2nd FR post.
Well thank you for your opinion, I’ll give it all the consideration that I think it is due.
Simple question simple answer. All Obama has to do is prove it.
Read my post. He gains much more from not proving it. Once he proves it, he can’t use the birthers against themselves anymore. It would be like having a full house aces high and just showing it to the other players before you start raising them and calling their bluff.
Youve been here a long time. /sarc Congratulations on your 2nd FR post.
Sorry, were you trying to say something there?
The way it is now, he cant lose.
Reality says otherwise. The latest Dim talking point.
You'll find it's not going to help him any or the rest of the Dims for him to hide his state senate records to his birth certificate. It's just another issue contentious issue that will help bring him down to lame duck status in less than a year. And Obama may not survive politically his 4 year term. His poll numbers are cratering as well as the Demwits who run Congress. Yes, please Obama drag it out...it's another distraction that will bring you down.
He has already “proven” it to the satisfaction of the state of Hawaii and the congress.
Please, for the love of God, let this GO. It’s as bad as the “truther” movement. The courts have already ruled on this and when you go on and on about it, you’re just carrying Obama’s water. He doesn’t even need to paint the right as kooks as long as we’re willing to step up and prove it.
After all, you say he was born in Hawaii. I support you. Just hit the reply button with the info and I will spread it as far and wide as possible.
Thanks in advance.
I don’t know, and I don’t care. As far as I’m concerned, the issue is settled, and if congress AND the republican governor of Hawaii, AND Ann Coulter, AND Michelle Malkin AND Bill O’Reilly AND senior health officials say he was born in Hawaii, he was born in Hawaii.
Ask me about socialized health care. Ask me about what’s going to happen to the economy. Or the troops that Obama places in harm’s way. THAT’S what I care about. Birthers are hurting us. Obama might be suffering in the polls, but it doesn’t mean those same polls love the birthers.
Obama’s going to finish his four years. He’s not going to be impeached. It’s time to start thinking about 2012. We as republicans have been living in the past since before the 2008 campaign, and it cost us the election. We need to put this nonsense behind us and think about the future.
Hey noob. STFU!
Why should I? Am I saying something you don’t want to hear? We might have had a better chance in 2008 if conservatives were willing to listen, but they weren’t, and we got creamed, and you and the rest of the birthers are seeing to it that we get creamed again in 2012. I’ll say it again: This controversy is all in your head, and Obama and his minions are playing you birthers for fools. And you’re letting it happen.
Who is this "we" of which you speak?
Let me guess. More of the same crowd who wouldn't know the Constitution if you rolled it up and smacked them in the head with it.
You don’t know and you don’t care. But if other people think for you, it must be good. Says it all.
Ask you about socialized medicine, the troops, the economy? Why? Why wouldn’t I just see what others think and go with that? Your opinion will be the same.
I don’t care if he is impeached. With sixty votes in the Senate do you think there is the possibility of a conviction? No way. This isn’t about that. This is about standing up for what’s right. It is about character.
Why should that have to be explained to you?
As for living in the past, that is a false argument. This is about standards. Republicans lost in 2008 because they put up a liberal and conservatives and traditional Americans stayed home. Don’t confuse the two.
Your reasoning has no merit. And, your character is in question.
I don’t have to justify my character to you or anyone else. A bunch of conservative commentators, the republican governor of Hawaii, the senior health officials, and congress says he was born in Hawaii. That’s good enough for me. Obama is perfectly within his rights to refuse to show us the birth certificate, and I don’t have to see it to believe he’s a citizen any more than I have to see the wreckage of the planes to believe Al Qaeda brought down the WTC. Experts have offered their opinions and backed them up, and sometimes you HAVE to take their word for it.
Obama’s not going to show us the birth certificate, or if he is, he’s going to show it to us when it will do maximum damage to our side. Throwing tantrums and conspiracy mongering won’t change that one whit. I’ll say it as often as I have to: What you’re doing is only making Obama and his cronies look good and the rest of us look bad—with YOU doing all the heavy lifting.
Oh, and by the way, republicans lost in 2008 for two reasons: We stupidly failed to put forth a candidate who could unify conservatives under one banner, and the democrats did just that after learning from their mistakes over eight years and two elections. OK? No conspiracy. They beat us fair and square, and rather than act like 9/11 goofers, we would be well advised to start asking ourselves how we were beaten by this clown to begin with.
Or you could just keep doing what you’re doing. The civilian birthers can steal the mike away from those with legitimate complaints, and the military birthers can just go on fomenting mutiny. THAT’LL look good in 2012.
You then follow it up by saying Obama doesn't have to prove his eligibility when John McCain sure did when he was born in Panama. He produced the long form. So the Constitution really doesn't mean anything to you nor the requirements for president.
You then top it off with the straw man argument about 9/11 as if there is any remote comparison. There isn't. No one but you would make it.
No expert has come forward and stated what is on the long form certificate. To say otherwise is a lie. They haven't. No one has come forward and stated what hospital and what doctor attended. To say otherwise is a lie. So, whose word, what expert, would you possible refer to without lying?
Pelosi certified him eligible. If it turns out he is not the DNC is destroyed as a political party. The Dems are destroyed. If, as you so desperately fear, they do produce a birth certificate that shows he was born here, so what? He only did what McCain did and he should have done. It isn't the birthers that lost the election. It won't be the birthers that lose the next one. It will be people with weak characters that won't stand up and ask questions. It will be people with no spine. It will be people that want to just get along and compromise any principles they might have just for a spot at the trough.
You also miss the point that the Dems beat us fair and square because many conservative stayed home. It was the Democrat John McCain against the Marxist/Socialist Obama.
Birthers are simply people asking a simple question that one side doesn't want to answer and some on the other side are two cowardly to ask.
Either you are worth your salt or you are not. Fish or cut bait. Stand or squat. Pick your analogy but you are known by your actions and ideals.
No expert has come forward and stated what is on the long form certificate. To say otherwise is a lie. They haven’t. No one has come forward and stated what hospital and what doctor attended. To say otherwise is a lie. So, whose word, what expert, would you possible refer to without lying?
Oh, OK, so I guess the head of Hawaii’s DOH doesn’t count. Or the doctors who looked at it. Or the republican governor. None of them count. This is why the birthers are quite a bit like the 9/11 truthers. We tell you the same thing over and over again. And you guys just pretend as if you didn’t hear it.
And as far as the conservatives staying home and letting Obama get elected, well . . . bravo!! You certainly showed him! It seems to me that there’s quite a bit of overlap between the guys who stayed home and the guys who are now going on and on about the birth certificate. So good job on the way you showed your actions and ideals by not exercising your right to vote. Now if only you birthers would exercise your right to remain silent, the rest of us MIGHT have some sort of chance. Seriously, what did you think was going to happen? Were you counting on divine intervention or something?
You guys need to concentrate on the literal meaning of the word “politics.” Politics is Greek, with “Poli” meaning “Teamwork” and “tics” meaning “does not mean crying and pitching a fit and running off to make your own team with the doofuses no one else wants to hang out with, just because they don’t like the direction the head coaches and administration decided to take.”
You cut the wrong bait. Then you fished the wrong waters. And finally you pulled a toilet seat cover out of Democrat Swamp, and you’re trying to blame THEM for taking advantage of your idiocy? You’re blaming THEM for not producing a birth certificate or doing exactly what you say when you say it? Look around! Most of your fellow CONSERVATIVES aren’t listening to you anymore. I have acted, and I have picked a side, and that side is called sanity. It’s on a place called Earth, and we’d sure like you to visit sometime. Preferably before 2012 (Notice how I keep bringing that date up post after post after post? It’s an important date. Perhaps you should think about it more often).
You want to tag birthers and 9/11 truthers together. Well, it won't work. Show me the long form birth certificate with the hospital and doctor, just like McCain showed, and we can all move on. Until then, your weakness in your arguments are tiring. You have no facts, only hearsay.
“And as far as the conservatives staying home and letting Obama get elected, well . . . bravo!! You certainly showed him! It seems to me that theres quite a bit of overlap between the guys who stayed home and the guys who are now going on and on about the birth certificate. So good job on the way you showed your actions and ideals by not exercising your right to vote. Now if only you birthers would exercise your right to remain silent, the rest of us MIGHT have some sort of chance. Seriously, what did you think was going to happen? Were you counting on divine intervention or something?”
This is where your reading buddy can help you. I never said I stayed home. I never said I didn't vote. I did. I always do. But the numbers voting isn't hard to look up. The Republican Party put up a liberal in the election and people stayed home.
You picked a side. Well bully for you. It is one of following the crowd, not thinking for yourself, having no principles, and not caring for the Constitution or the nation.
I don't care if fellow conservatives listen. I don't do it for them. It isn't a popularity contest. It is a matter of character. It is now apparent you don't have character. I feel sorry for you. You are to be pitied, not emulated.
Can you have someone help you read these posts? Maybe a friend that can come over?
I might say the same thing about you. I’ve said a couple times already why this would not be a great idea, but let’s go again. They’re not going to release names on the birth certificate, because they don’t want to plunge the doctor who delivered Zero into a living hell of harrassment and idiot questions and threats by the birthers, ESPECIALLY when they don’t have to, and They. Don’t. Have. To. And They’re. Not. Going. To. Do. It. And finally This. Is. A. Good. Thing. Even for the conservatives.
Obama doesn’t have to release it. Obama doesn’t want to release it. And Obama is having a wonderful, productive time watching you guys spit blood trying to get him to do it. He’s laughing at you, man. And if he’s not, he oughta be.
Where does character come into this? What part of any of this is about character? Not backtracking even when you’ve made a mistake? Is that character? Really? You’re right, I should be pitied. It seems as if my choices are between Obama and the party who can’t control the birthers. That sucks. All I want is SOME conservatism back and the troops taken care of. Instead I get to hang out with the Nutsy Fagins who won’t shut about about the birth certificate, especially when they’re in front of a video camera.
Sorry I posted that you were among the people who didn’t vote. Stain on me, but surely you realize that the conservatives who stayed home should be ashamed of themselves.
Oh, and by the way, I’m seeing a lot of people cheering that woman on. You know, the one who got up in Delaware and yelled at Mike Castle for calling Obama a citizen? I’m seeing comments like “God bless that woman” and “Send that woman to the senate!” I did a little looking and found out who she was.
Folks, meet “Crazy Eileen”: http://www.delawareonline.com/article/20090726/NEWS02/907260367/1006/NEWS
She talks about how she was visited by angels and about aliens. She’s been banned from calling in to the conservatives on the radio over there. I just want you all to know whom you’re cheering on.
This is why the birthers tick me off. They’re a little bit nutty, and they wind up attracting the REAL nutbars. And then we ALL get lumped in with them.
Irish, your “character” smells suspiciously like what I used to shovel back on the farm.
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