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Cash for Clunkers: How to destroy an engine (& a nation)
Cash for Clunkers: How to destroy an engine. ^ | Right Now | Me, Myself and I

Posted on 07/31/2009 7:18:45 PM PDT by PureSolace

Why are we destroying perfectly good tools as a nation with this "Cash for Clunkers" program?

Here is a video on what they do to the vehicles that are traded in for this program.

Here's a description from the video site:

This is a video document showing how to seize an engine under the Cash for Clunkers program...After draining the engine oil the vehicle is filled with approximately two-three quarts of salt/water/silica mix. The vehicle is then started and ran till the engine seizes. Enjoy!

I drive a 20 year old car that I love. (Sure it's bluebook value may be $200, but it runs and gets me to where I need to go. It's been all over America multiple times, and is still reliable.)

Why are we encouraging the destruction of perfectly good tools across our nation? What is wrong with our leaders? Why are we encouraging this behavior? There are so many uses for these cars!


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Chit/Chat; Government; Politics
KEYWORDS: 111th; agenda; barackobama; bho44; cash; clunkers; congress; corruption; democrats; destroy; economy; for; obama; socialism; statesrights; taxes

1 posted on 07/31/2009 7:18:45 PM PDT by PureSolace
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To: PureSolace

Well it fits the leftist template.

The goal of the Baraqqis is to either get you into an Obamamobile or on a train or bus.

Fewer affordable repair parts makes maintaining your current ride less feasable and more expensive.


2 posted on 07/31/2009 7:22:23 PM PDT by nascarnation
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To: PureSolace

This is tied to Global Warming.

It’s as hysterical as burning witches at the stake.

Madness.


3 posted on 07/31/2009 7:22:31 PM PDT by IncPen (Pitchforks and torches.)
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To: PureSolace

I grew up learning that thrift was a virtue. I have worked all my life to keep machinery running smoothly and to prevent this sort of failure.

Now our government is bribing people to destroy machinery and create waste, and spending my money to do it.

This is the polar opposite of everything I have been taught. It is deeply offensive to me. I know it is just a machine, but it is the work of somebody’s hands and somebody else has put a lot of money and effort into preserving it.

Our government is acting like Vandals. They are destroying for the sake of destroying, because that is all they know how to do.


4 posted on 07/31/2009 7:28:44 PM PDT by bondjamesbond (Don't blame me... I voted for PALIN!)
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To: PureSolace

There were otherwise normal-looking, normal-sounding, and very well educated people who were advocating bulldozing the “excess housing inventory” not too long ago.


5 posted on 07/31/2009 7:31:04 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (The revolution IS being televised.)
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To: bondjamesbond

“Our government is acting like Vandals. They are destroying for the sake of destroying, because that is all they know how to do.”

Fight fire with fire.


6 posted on 07/31/2009 7:32:13 PM PDT by jim-x (You cannot protect people from themselves.)
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To: PureSolace

I get the feeling that someday the government is going to bribe some doctor to do the same thing to me.

This is Obamacare for automobiles.


7 posted on 07/31/2009 7:32:31 PM PDT by bondjamesbond (Don't blame me... I voted for PALIN!)
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To: PureSolace

Another thing to recall about the “Cash for Clunkers” program is how it hurts the poor. The program will take these “clunkers” off the street and give them to the government to destroy. But these are precisely the kinds of cars that poor or fixed-income people tend to purchase. Most of these “clunkers” are of course in fine shape, but they are not “green” enough according to government determinations. So poor people who cannot afford to purchase new, government-approved (and thus artificially expensive) automobiles will be told to “go take a hike” – literally!
The government having melted down these “clunkers,” the market in low priced used cars will dry up, thus driving up cost and further hurting poor and working people as well as seniors and others on fixed income. Grandma who just needs a cheap old car to get down to the pharmacy for her prescriptions will thus be forced to walk or hire a cab, as the finance companies will take a look at her social security income and say “next!”
Cash for clunkers is an attack on the poor for the benefit of government-connected Big Auto big-wigs and GMAC-style bankster/moneylenders. As with most government programs, the poor get the short end of the stick.


8 posted on 07/31/2009 7:32:37 PM PDT by all the best
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To: PureSolace

Progressives always want to destroy old things (including people, it turns out).


9 posted on 07/31/2009 7:34:50 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurture)
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To: all the best

IMO-C4C is a scam to move remaining inventory form the car lots.


10 posted on 07/31/2009 7:46:19 PM PDT by Sarajevo (You're jealous because the voices only talk to me.)
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To: bondjamesbond
Go to some Eastern European nation where they still have trucks and tractors from the Soviet days that they keep running — even better than when they were new. You do what you gotta with what you got.

Thrift used to be a specially characteristic American virtue. No more.

11 posted on 07/31/2009 7:46:53 PM PDT by thulldud (It HAS happened here!)
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To: IncPen
Yup. The original concept was a 21st Century book burning orgy to publicly destroy evil materials to pave way for materials deemed pure and righteous by the state.

This is sheer insanity. I'll admit, I just realized today that the government's destruction of the trade-ins wasn't a joke.

This is a public-funded orgy of waste. Taking usable autos and equipment and destroying them? In a time of supposed need, the left is rewarding wastefulness and the mindless destruction of a resource (cheap used vehicles) used by poorer and/or thriftier citizens. The US isn't at war with Islamic fascists, but it is is officially at war with thrift and common sense.

When is this bull#$% going to end?

12 posted on 07/31/2009 7:48:25 PM PDT by manapua
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To: all the best
Well, you hit one of my Cash for Clunkers rants. Here's the other one I posted earlier today:

Has anyone really looked at the economics or even the enviromental impact of the program. Let's say the typical participant drives 12000 miles per year and goes from 20 mpg to 25 mpg. That would reduce fuel usage from 600 gallons per year to 480, saving 120 gallons per year or about $300. Saving that energy is good. But how much extra energy production is needed and pollution created by building hundreds of thousands of new cars and destroying thousands of "old" cars to get that 120 gallons of gas per year of savings? Is it a good trade-off. If it is the typical government program, the answer is almost certainly a big NO!

After I wrote that I searched a couple sites that gave energy estimates for new car production in the 100 million BTU range. Each gallon of gasoline has around 120,000 BTUs of energy, so the car's production takes the energy equivalent of 833 gallons of gasoline. In the US that energy most likely comes from coal, the eeeeeeeevilest of the greenhouse gas producing fuels. So much for the 120 gallons / year savings.
13 posted on 07/31/2009 7:49:47 PM PDT by KarlInOhio (Obama's medical nationalization bill reads like Atlas Shrugged with doctors instead of railroads.)
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To: bondjamesbond

The Chief Vandal’s numbers are tanking :)


14 posted on 07/31/2009 7:49:55 PM PDT by MissDairyGoodnessVT ("Economy is the method by which we prepare today to afford the improvements of tomorrow"C.Coolidge)
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To: PureSolace

Glenn Beck: CASH FOR CLUNKERS Government
Website Takes Over Your Computer Forever

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RAOBlqUqUZ8


15 posted on 07/31/2009 7:52:38 PM PDT by Jo Nuvark (Those who bless Israel will be blessed, those who curse Israel will be cursed. Gen 12:3)
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To: Jo Nuvark

Glenn Beck and Kimberly Guilfoyle Say Cars.gov Gives U.S. Government Access to Your Computer - Video 7/31/09
www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqfuZ7hiap0&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.freedomslighthouse.com%2F2009%2F07%2Fglenn-beck-and-kimberly-guilfoyle-say.html&feature=player_embedded

Here is video of Glenn Beck and Kimberly Guilfoyle today talking about the fact that users of the Government’s “Cars.gov” website actually are giving the government ongoing access to their computer. The “Privacy Agreement” - not read by many users - says that once connected to their system, the government considers the computer property of the U.S. Government.

Guilfoyle points out that once a computer uses the Cars.gov system, the government can continue to track a user and potentially access information.

Text of warning:

This application provides access to the DOT CARS system. When logged on the CARS system, your computer is considered a Federal computer system and is the property of the US Government.

Any or all uses of this system and all files on this system may be intercepted, monitored, recorded, copied, audited, inspected or disclosed to authorized CARS, DOT, law enforcement personnel as well as authorized officials of other agencies, both domestic and foreign.

Note also that the congress voted another 3 or 4 billion to fund the Cash for Clunker program on Friday afternoon, July 31st.


16 posted on 07/31/2009 7:58:46 PM PDT by miele man
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To: manapua

Imagine the charities or other good causes they could donate these cars too. If they’re that much against profit, then at least donate them to good causes.


17 posted on 07/31/2009 8:12:14 PM PDT by PureSolace (Trust in God)
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To: all the best
Another thing to recall about the “Cash for Clunkers” program is how it hurts the poor.

As well as the repair mechanics.

18 posted on 07/31/2009 8:16:51 PM PDT by Raycpa
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To: bondjamesbond
I glad that I'm not the only one that was more than slightly irritated watching that.

I really enjoy working on "clunkers" just like that, and I get a lot of satisfaction when I have the opportunity to get one back running for someone.

If those guys bought that on their own dime and decided to burn the engine up like that, while then their being dumb but thats their choice. What gets me is knowing that the engine being destroyed for no reason was bought on the national credit card.

Maybe I'm going to far with this, there is probably bigger things to get worked up over.

19 posted on 07/31/2009 8:17:17 PM PDT by voteNRA (A citizenry armed with rifles simply cannot be tyrannized)
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To: manapua

My question is what is left for people who cannot afford a new car, those that always buy the clunkers or better. What they going to do? I guess the mexican market is all they will have left, think what those clunkers will be worth when all of ours are gone.


20 posted on 07/31/2009 8:28:52 PM PDT by annieokie (i)
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To: miele man

Thanks sweetie!


21 posted on 07/31/2009 8:29:25 PM PDT by Jo Nuvark (Those who bless Israel will be blessed, those who curse Israel will be cursed. Gen 12:3)
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To: bondjamesbond
Our government is acting like Vandals.

True, except they're not acting.

22 posted on 07/31/2009 8:31:03 PM PDT by Interesting Times (For the truth about "swift boating" see ToSetTheRecordStraight.com)
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To: PureSolace
In France, roving gangs of Muslim "youths" torch cars. And we mock the French. While we now PAY our own citizens $4,500 a pop to destroy their own cars. Maybe it's time we stop laughing at the French?
23 posted on 07/31/2009 8:38:17 PM PDT by LikeLight (http://www.believersguidetolegalissues.com)
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To: PureSolace
This is insanity. In a short period of time, the government will leave the poorer masses with absolutely no transportation. How will they get to work? How will they travel to necessary places (grocery store)? How will their children go off to college if no second-hand cars are available. It is not a matter of choice, poorer people can NOT buy a new car to go to work and especially for children who are just beginning to drive.

It is not a matter of them not WANTING to buy a new car -- they CAN'T!!!!! Millions will be without transportation creating other bigger problems than the auto industry not being able to sell new cars. This has got to be STOPPED!

24 posted on 07/31/2009 8:40:52 PM PDT by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: PureSolace
Glenn Beck touched on this earlier.

He pointed out that Franklin D. Roosevelt ordered the burning of 10 million acres of cotton to help boost the price of cotton even though people who could barely afford to buy clothes.

FDR also ordered the killing of 6 million pigs to boost the price of pork even though people could barely afford to buy food.

Now FBO is taking perfectly good affordable cars off the street even though people are having trouble affording cars.

Hmmmm...and now, when Congress gets back from recess, they will decide how best to deal with the millions of Senior Citizens who can barely afford medical care.

25 posted on 07/31/2009 8:51:04 PM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all. -- Texas Eagle)
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To: PureSolace

this video turns my stomach. this is insanity.


26 posted on 07/31/2009 8:59:19 PM PDT by Rodamala
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To: PureSolace

Too bad we can’t extend this concept to government, and trade in our clunker politicians.


27 posted on 07/31/2009 9:01:10 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: annieokie
Exactly. The government is artificially reducing supply at a time of increased demand.

And they will still claim to represent "the working man."

28 posted on 07/31/2009 9:10:39 PM PDT by manapua
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To: bondjamesbond
I have a 1976 Chevy van with over 800,000+ miles on it (believe it or not, original drive train) and it still runs damn good. I've been working as a mechanic for over 40 years.

It has a 250 CID straight 6 cylinder engine. Turbo 350 Tranny. The only options are front disc brakes and power steering and the awfulmatic. My mother and father bought it new in '76. Mom passed away in'98 and pop gave it to me. Pop died 3 months ago at 90 yrs old and I'll never, ever get rid of it.

I've kept regular oil changes, tranny tune ups every 50 - 75,000 miles. Keep it well lubed, everything well kept.

Aside from the normal parts like brakes, tires, distributor caps, plugs, wires, belts etc.
The only parts that have been changed are:

1). Alternators (3),
2). Universal joints front and rear six sets,
3). upper and lower control arm bushings (at 600,000 miles),
4). Batteries (5),
5). Power steering hose high pressure side (1),
6). Shocks. 4 sets,
7). Exhaust front to rear (excluding manifold)4 sets,

It still has the original module in the distributor as well as the original power steering pump.

I as you were taught to be frugal and make things last.
The only other vehicles I have is a 1972 VW (good shape), 1981 HD motorcycle.

I personally think new cars are all junk. Expensive junk.
Kept well tuned my VW gets 25-30mpg. The car only costs $1,000.00.

Today people brag about getting 25mpg while paying 30k for the damn thing.

People brag about their cars lasting 250,000 miles. I tell ' em to call me when it hits a 1/2 a mil.

We've gone from a frugal do it yourself society to a throw away I can't do anything society. pitiful.


29 posted on 07/31/2009 9:11:01 PM PDT by Mikey (He that refuses to know and exert his rights, doesn't deserve them.)
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To: LikeLight
In France, roving gangs of Muslim "youths" torch cars. And we mock the French. While we now PAY our own citizens $4,500 a pop to destroy their own cars. Maybe it's time we stop laughing at the French?

It's a good point. I think we should restrict our car destruction program to French cars only.

30 posted on 07/31/2009 9:16:35 PM PDT by palmer (Cooperating with Obama = helping him extend the depression and implement socialism.)
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To: PureSolace; nascarnation; IncPen; bondjamesbond; The Invisible Hand; jim-x; all the best; ...

Obama is aborting our future!


31 posted on 07/31/2009 9:50:05 PM PDT by Jo Nuvark (Those who bless Israel will be blessed, those who curse Israel will be cursed. Gen 12:3)
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To: Jo Nuvark; y'all

Listen to that motor closely, folks. That’s how it’s all coming down. That is one of the finest pieces of engineering Detroit ever made, and that is the sound of evil in motion. Don’t pretend it’s a carefully controlled evolution into the future; it’s a billion dollars of your money and mine committed to the destruction of infrastructure and resources. No drilling for oil; just the paranoia of that which burns it. No creation of new technology—just paranoia over the old stuff. Turning the beast against itself-—America used to finance the destruction of America. Catch the moment the motor stops; it will never run again. It’s nice to pretend the evil has stopped; that the engine of commerce has been extinguished; that the ride has been destroyed, but catch the implication.

Comparable concepts abound—A ship too big to sink, lifeboats are irrelevant. A wooden city too great to burn, fire hydrants are pointless. A currency too widely accepted to become worthless, monetize the debt. An investment vehicle too huge to be a fraud, and run by a Jew nevertheless. Dikes that can withstand any hurricane, Trade towers too tall for a plane to touch. Even a vault at Fort Knox that could never go empty; there is no shortage of analogy. Now we have a minority whose maliciousness knows no bounds. Even doing a background check on the teleprompter in chief warrants a visit from the SS, and that’s not the Schutzstaffel.

Don’t even pretend that car coming to a stop forever is a good thing. America will be down to cannibalism as nonchalantly as it plays a video game today. Russian famines in 1891, 1921, 1932 & 1946 offer a chilling history of what follows when a despot desires to rule. All of Obama’s trends point to his admiration of his Marxist principles.

Don’t even pretend Obama loves you.

. . those people’s efforts are in vain who with unchanged lives desire to come to the people’s aid by distributing the wealth they have first taken from them.
— Leo Tolstoy


32 posted on 07/31/2009 10:49:56 PM PDT by Sundog (Lord Obama wants an African kleptocracy. Forget about a republic. Forget about a democracy.)
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To: Jo Nuvark

Every Friday I love to hear to the new drop in bam’s polls.....
man , he is soooooo outta’ here - cash for clunkers?

The american public should pony up and PAY bammers to leave the WH before he makes himself a fool again


33 posted on 07/31/2009 11:43:13 PM PDT by MissDairyGoodnessVT ("Economy is the method by which we prepare today to afford the improvements of tomorrow"C.Coolidge)
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To: KarlInOhio
Has anyone really looked at the economics or even the enviromental impact of the program. ... Is it a good trade-off.

Since the consumer receives either $3,500 or $4,500, but the money spent by the government per transaction amounts to (depending upon "analysis" source) $10,000-$20,000+, then the obvious answer (to a bureaucrat or politician) is a resounding, "YES!" Who is getting the rest of the money? Administrators, bureaucrats, politicians, and their cronies, of course!

Typical program, in that for every dollar to the "beneficiary", anywhere from $2 to $5 is "overhead"...but Obamacare will save money, even as C4C saves the environment and the economy.

34 posted on 08/01/2009 12:14:56 AM PDT by ApplegateRanch (The mob got President Barabbas; America got shafted)
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To: Rodamala

I agree.


35 posted on 08/01/2009 2:48:07 AM PDT by PureSolace (Trust in God)
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To: PureSolace

In Germany and Austria, you can’t have a car older than 10 years old. Although there is no clunkers, I am unsure what they do with those who have “classic” cars. I believe they may allow you to have it but you can’t drive it. I think the U.S. will eventually go this route...no cars older than 10 years old on the road. In rural areas, many people drive really old cars, I guess they will need to update their cars if this ever passes.


36 posted on 08/01/2009 3:51:44 AM PDT by napscoordinator
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To: PureSolace

Euthansia for cars. Keep this going around. Pictures and videos of beloved “clunker” being euthanized will send a very powerful messaage!


37 posted on 08/01/2009 4:25:08 AM PDT by AdaGray (uw)
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To: AdaGray
Euthansia for cars. Keep this going around. Pictures and videos of beloved “clunker” being euthanized will send a very powerful messaage!

Instead of water, grit and silicate, they will use a morphine drip...

38 posted on 08/01/2009 5:18:57 AM PDT by bondjamesbond (Don't blame me... I voted for PALIN!)
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To: ApplegateRanch
I haven't seen anything discussing government overhead. I did see an article that analyzed the expected number of "clunker" trade-ins that would have occurred anyway without the program during this year vs the increased number now. The approximately $20k was for each car in excess of those that would be traded-in anyway.
39 posted on 08/01/2009 5:37:09 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (Obama's medical nationalization bill reads like Atlas Shrugged with doctors instead of railroads.)
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To: palmer
It's a good point. I think we should restrict our car destruction program to French cars only.

That I could live with!

40 posted on 08/01/2009 6:23:53 AM PDT by LikeLight (http://www.believersguidetolegalissues.com)
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To: AdaGray

I agree. People really should see the pictures and videos of people destroying running vehicles for this program. It won’t hit home till people are exposed to what’s really going on! It just doesn’t sit right with me in my stomach.


41 posted on 08/01/2009 8:00:52 AM PDT by PureSolace (Trust in God)
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To: PureSolace

I just received a phone call for the audit the fed campaign. The audio recording said the had enough sponsors of the bill in the house that WHEN it comes up for vote if all sponsors vote yes the bill would pass.

They are moving to the Senate and have a major campaign going to get the Senate to pass this legislation. People are starting to take their power back and those that want to control us are doing these type of things to try to keep things in their ballpark.

The game has changed we need to stop being fooled by all the deception. United we stand against corruption.


42 posted on 08/01/2009 8:06:32 AM PDT by GoreNoMore
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To: GoreNoMore

Do you think they’ll read the bill before voting on it. ;-)


43 posted on 08/01/2009 9:04:17 AM PDT by PureSolace (Trust in God)
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To: PureSolace

A Glenn Beck caller said this program is just Obama’s test program for the next one: “Cash for Cripples” — where you turn in Granny for money.


44 posted on 08/01/2009 9:06:20 AM PDT by MayflowerMadam
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To: annieokie
Don't worry, we'll all be driving these soon:


45 posted on 08/01/2009 9:32:42 AM PDT by PureSolace (Trust in God)
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To: Sundog

That is one of the most chilling things I’ve ever read.


46 posted on 08/01/2009 11:01:42 AM PDT by Jo Nuvark (Those who bless Israel will be blessed, those who curse Israel will be cursed. Gen 12:3)
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To: PureSolace

They’ll get my ‘98 Wrangler when they pry my cold, dead hands from the steering wheel.

Thanks to Cash for Clunkers, I now resolve to keep the old beast running as long as it is feasibly possible to do so.

Oh, and another thing...I’m going to get larger tires and run them at 18 PSI, and keep it in third gear all the time, so she’ll drop three or four MPG. Just because I can.

And for my next car, I will intentionally select something used that could fit within the Cash For Clunkers criteria. And again, I will drive it as many years as possible, with low tires, at varying speeds, intentionally choosing routes with a lot of stop-and-go driving.

Take that, Obama.

Hah.


47 posted on 08/01/2009 11:33:48 AM PDT by FLAMING DEATH (I am NOT better off than I was four years ago!)
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To: FLAMING DEATH
If it is true that the crushed remains of the Clunkers are being sent to china, will they do what Japan did with our scrap metal in WWII and turn it into weapons?

Some people learn from history in order not to repeat a mistake and others learn what works and repeat it.

48 posted on 08/01/2009 11:47:07 AM PDT by codder too
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To: PureSolace

That was a nice car. What an incredible waste! Affordable, loan free transportation in what looked like a nice car is now taken forever off the market from...THE POOR>>> “The road to hell is paved with BHO’s good intentions”


49 posted on 08/01/2009 1:48:00 PM PDT by Wildbill22
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To: nascarnation
"Fewer affordable repair parts makes maintaining your current ride less feasable and more expensive."

Bullsh*t. I can gets parts easier for my '76 Chevy van then some of the later model (2000-2008) junk out there.

50 posted on 08/01/2009 8:50:59 PM PDT by Mikey (He that refuses to know and exert his rights, doesn't deserve them.)
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