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Media Matters Running Ads Attacking Lou Dobbs’ Birther Obsession — On CNN! (during Dobbs' show)
The Plum Line ^ | Jul 31, 2009 | Greg Sargent

Posted on 08/01/2009 9:24:40 AM PDT by SvenMagnussen

Okay, this is an intriguing new frontier in political media criticism. Media Matters, which has been attacking CNN for not reining in Lou Dobbs’ birther obsession, has now purchased air time to run a TV ad attacking “CNN’s Lou Dobbs problem” — during Dobbs’ show!

A Media Matters spokesman tells me the group has bought a week of ad time on CNN, MSNBC and Fox News in D.C., New York, and Atlanta, beginning Tuesday. The catch: Media Matters has specifically purchased time to air the ad during Dobbs’ show — putting CNN in the position of either running the spot or nixing it and making this a bigger story.

(Excerpt) Read more at theplumline.whorunsgov.com ...


TOPICS: Politics; TV/Movies
KEYWORDS: 527groups; ads; afterbirthers; article2section1; barackobama; bho44; birthcertificate; certifigate; cnn; colb; dobbs; imom; loudobbs; media; mediamatters; mysterman; naturalborn; obama; obamanoncitizenissue; obroma; obromakaa
Dobbs has questions and the media attacks.
1 posted on 08/01/2009 9:24:40 AM PDT by SvenMagnussen
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To: SvenMagnussen

As I’ve said before. If anyone can smell an Illegal Alien, it’s Lou.


2 posted on 08/01/2009 9:26:21 AM PDT by BGHater (Insanity is voting for Republicans and expecting Conservatism.)
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To: SvenMagnussen

Somebody with money wants this whole “Birther Thing” killed RIGHT NOW. Hmmmm. I wonder who?


3 posted on 08/01/2009 9:27:00 AM PDT by InterceptPoint
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To: InterceptPoint

Yup. They would not be doing this unless Obama has a real problem. The fate of the Republic may be in Judge Carter’s hands.


4 posted on 08/01/2009 9:28:07 AM PDT by Frantzie (Lou Dobbs - American Hero! Bill O'Reilly = Liar)
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To: SvenMagnussen

What else would you expect from an organization founded by John Podesta and funded by George Soros? Everyone involved is a lying nasty piece of work who would betray his or her own mother in order to forward the socialist agenda.


5 posted on 08/01/2009 9:28:17 AM PDT by La Lydia
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To: InterceptPoint

I’d like to buy a vowel. O.


6 posted on 08/01/2009 9:28:32 AM PDT by freespirited (The Surgeon General has determined that Harry and Louise are dangerous to your health.)
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To: SvenMagnussen
My my, but they are in a tizzy.

Pretty obvious by now that something IS going on with the guy's nationality, isn't it?

If not, why are they all so a-skeered? It's positively a frenzy...

7 posted on 08/01/2009 9:29:26 AM PDT by Regulator (Welcome to Zimbabwe! Now hand over your property)
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To: SvenMagnussen; Jim Robinson

Snicker. Maybe they can start running ads in Human Events, The American Spectator, and National Review as well. Heck, let’s let them run an ad here on Free Republic, Jim.


8 posted on 08/01/2009 9:29:44 AM PDT by Woebama (Never, never, never quit)
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To: SvenMagnussen
That's certainly remarkable.

Something has clearly hit a nerve with these people on this issue. Since the most significant recent events are those relating to Major Cook's case, my guess is that this is what they are most worried about.

9 posted on 08/01/2009 9:32:30 AM PDT by snowsislander (NRA -- join today! 1-877-NRA-2000)
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To: SvenMagnussen
I don't understand what is at least wrong with asking. We only got one source, whether people believe it's legit or not, for him to be qualified to be President. Heck, journalists get more than one source to back up their stories and we elected this person only on one supposedly good source.

If it turns out legit when he releases all his records to back the BC presented then there are no problems. We can thank him for his transparency if all is well. What gets me is the Alinsky-style attack from the left and the MSM on anyone just inquiring. It's insane and leads to suspicion.
10 posted on 08/01/2009 9:32:51 AM PDT by Salthawk
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To: Salthawk
If it turns out legit when he releases all his records to back the BC presented then there are no problems. We can thank him for his transparency if all is well.

Exactly, we still win by forcing his hand and making him keep the transparency promise.
11 posted on 08/01/2009 9:35:08 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Seniors, the new shovel ready project under socialized medicine.)
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To: Woebama

LOL!!!


12 posted on 08/01/2009 9:36:23 AM PDT by ofwaihhbtn (Science is not defined as that which supports atheistic materialism)
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To: SvenMagnussen

Team Obama and the New Democrats are doing everything they can to urge the tension to escalate in this country.

If he gets re-elected it will be an ACORN re-election. Is it just around here, or has anyone else noticed that people are starting to make it clear they *didn’t* vote for Obama?!


13 posted on 08/01/2009 9:39:28 AM PDT by JavaJumpy
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To: SvenMagnussen
A detroit radio station called the Kenyan embassy after the election of Obama. After a a few minutes they get through to the ambassador of Kenya.

The ambassador of Kenya says that obama was born in Kenya and that his birth place has become a national shrine.

Listen to the recording here. (Please save & cache the recording)

The quote is around 12:35, so if you don’t have time to listen to the whole thing, you can jump ahead.
Don't click through the link to utube on WND but rather listen to the recording on site. The transcript reads:

Radio Jockey: President elect Obama's birth place over in Kenya -- is that going to be a national spot where he was born

Ambassador Peter Ogego: its already an attraction. his paternal grandmother is still alive

Radio Jockey:But his birth place...they'll put up a marker there

Ambassdor Peter Ogego: It would depend on the government. Its already well known.

Here is an abridged Utube version of the the radio interview. So you can hear just the relevant parts. (be sure to save & cache this if you know how--because obama's people are actively hunting this stuff down)

It can be reasonably pointed out that the DJ was trying to entrap the Ambassador and that the Ambassador fell into his trap.
However, if you listen to the long version of the radio interview --you’ll notice he used the same strategy on two different occasions and the ambassador gently brushed him off.

First, he tried to force the ambassador to sing the Kenyan national anthem. The ambassador referred him to the kenyan website.

Second he tried to push the ambassador into saying something about maybe Kenya becoming the 51st state. Again the ambassador said that Kenya was a sovereign country. ie No.

He used the same technique on the question of Obama’s birth place. This time the ambassador did not brush him off. Rather in answer to the question as to whether Obama was born in Kenya --he says "It is well known."

Because the ambassador answered no in the two previous examples -- you can't say that the ambassdor was either a fool or ill advised.

Finally, you might ask well doesn't he know that saying Obama is born in Kenya would make trouble for Obama? The answer there is why should he be concerned? He has heard no suggestion in the mainstream media that there might be a problem there. So to say what is already well known--as he says--would be no problem.

Here is a utube video of Ambassador Peter Ogego speaking at a conference. Ambassador of Kenya H.E. Peter Ogego To verify that the voice on the radio is Ambassador Ogego-- compare the radio voice with the DJ to the voice on the Utube that goes with Ambassador Ogego. Ambassador Peter Ogego is introduced a bit after minute 18..

They are the same.


Subsequently, the Kenyan ambassador said that he meant Obama's father was born in Kenya. However, when pressed about Obama's birth place:

"I don't know," he said with a tone of irritation. "You should ask your government. I know his father is Kenyan."

However, that's not what the original transcript suggests. clear="all" /> Finally, there is a Affidavit of Bishop Ron McRae which is part of the Berg case. The Bishop says pretty much the same thing as the Ambassador.

"Additionally, it is common knowledge throughout both the Christian and Muslim communities in Kenya, that contrary to news media propaganda here in the United States, US Senator Barack Obama is a Muslim and not a Christian, and that he was born in Mombasa, Kenya and not in the State of Hawaii as falsely purported by the Obama campaign for presidency of the United States."

While you cannot impeach the ambassador's character, you can impeach McCrae's character. After all, he's just an itinerant preacher. But McCrae has been to Kenya. Still that makes two people who say that it is common knowledge in Kenya that Obama was born in Kenya.
Then of course there is a video of Obama's grandmother saying that Obama is born in Kenya
There is a case to be made that Obama mother didn't mean Obama was born in Kenya but rather that he is a "son of this village". However, witnesses insist that she said she was present at obama's birth in Kenya. If taken alone, perhaps she could well be ignored. However, her take is in keeping with others both high and low.

Again here is a pdf transcript of Kenyan National Assembly on Nov 5, 2008, the day after Obama was elected. Over and over again there are references to Obama being a "son of the soil" of Kenya and a Kenyan. On page page 3275 there is this passage:

HOUSE SHOULD ADJOURN TO DISCUSS ELECTION OF MR. BARRACK OBAMA

Ms. Odhiambo: On a point of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. It is not on this issue. I stand on a point of order under Standing Order No.20 to seek leave for adjournment of the House to discuss the American presidential election results.

(Applause)

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, the President-elect, Mr. Obama, is a son of the soil of this country. Every other country in this continent is celebrating the Obama win. It is only proper and fitting that the country which he originates from should show the same excitement, pomp and colour.



Again. It is not the one thing. Rather it is the tide.

In July 2009 a Ghanian newspapersays of Obama that ""For Ghana, Obama's visit will be a celebration of another milestone in African history as it hosts the first-ever African-American president on this presidential visit to the continent of his birth," The American Thinker explains here why Obama's short form released by fightthesmears is not sufficient for Hawaii. There is evidence to suggest that the home named in the newspaper archived article as the place where Obama was born -- was lived in by a couple not Obama's parents. Even the Honalulu Advertiser has a different address of record for Obama's father than the one listed newspaper birth listing. The hospital where Obama claims he was born--refuses to either confirm or deny that he was in fact born there--and that despite the fact that Obama has said he was born there in writing--and presented the hospital a memo to that effect...right after he was elected. What's more newspaper accounts of his birth place him in other hospitals around Hawaii. None of these will comment either.

Again. It is not the one thing. Rather it is the tide.

The Obama administration could put this to rest by releasing his long form birth certificate. But he doesn't. Instead of just releasing his long form birth certificate he has paid his lawyers over 1 million dollars from campaign contributions since Sept 08 to squash the suits brought on the issue. Why bother. The Arnold would have run for president long ago and likely won if he were a "natural born" american. He's not. He's naturalized. So he can't run. And he knows it. (though there were some trial balloons sent up a couple years back about changing the law--that went nowhere.)

This post does a very very good job of showing how the information from kenya hawaii, citizenship rules, and presidential"natural born" citizenship rules fit together. It also shows how Hawaii is pretty steadily changing the rules of the game to fit the O team's narrative. Like the Arnold, Obama looks to be a naturalized citizen--but maybe he's not even that. Here's a footnoted timeline of obama's life 1961-2008. Its especially helpful to look at 1961 and 2008. Of interest is this: Interesting timeline with footnotes of obama's life.

of note

On April 10, 2008 Senator Claire McCaskill (D-MO) introduces Senate Resolution S. Res. 511 to “recognize that John Sidney McCain is a natural born citizen.” The resolution is allegedly meant to clarify that McCain is eligible to be President even though he was born in Panama. Because McCain’s parents were both Americans and he was born in Panama because his father was stationed there while in the military, existing law already covers McCain and he is eligible to be President. McCaskill’s resolution thus serves no purpose – except that language is included to try and provide a “blanket cover” for other foreign born candidates without military backgrounds, in order to enable Obama to be eligible to be President. This is the language that Obama inserted “Whereas previous presidential candidates were born outside of the United States of America and were understood to be eligible to be President;” This Clause has no particular relevance to McCain [The language is inserted by Obama.][301,303]

301# http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com/2008/10/11/obama-born-in-kenya-new-information/#more-3844

303 # http://watchdog.net/b/us/110/sr511

Obama's Senate efforts to airbrush his past were augmented by his top Intelligence Advisor in March 2008. Obama's Intelligence Adviser Involved in Security Breach. Obama’s top terrorism and intelligence adviser, John O. Brennan, heads a firm that was cited in March [2008] for breaching sensitive files in the State Department’s passport office, according to a State Department Inspector General’s report released this past July. The security breach, first reported by the Washington Times and later confirmed by State Department spokesman Sean McCormack, involved a contract employee of Brennan’s firm, The Analysis Corp., which has earned millions of dollars providing intelligence-related consulting services to federal agencies and private companies. During a State Department briefing on March 21, 2008, McCormack confirmed that the contractor had accessed the passport files of presidential candidates Barack Obama, Hillary Rodham Clinton, and John McCain, and that the inspector general had launched an investigation. Sources who tracked the investigation tell Newsmax that the main target of the breach was the Obama passport file, and that the contractor accessed the file in order to “cauterize” the records of potentially embarrassing information. In this video of Obama's reaction to the break in...he says twice that his reason for being concerned about the matter is not that he is concerned about what the records may reveal about himself...but rather etc. One denial is ok. Two denials in short order is of a piece with the other anomolies in his record. Especially since it seems Obama's people instigated the break in.
14 posted on 08/01/2009 9:42:04 AM PDT by ckilmer (Phi)
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To: SvenMagnussen

If those interested in Full Disclosure were saying Barry had been born on Pluto...
the White House would obviously ignore it.
Those against Full Disclosure-the Don’t You Dare Ask and Don’t Tell brigade,
keep saying that those who want to see Obama’s original and apparently amended birth certificate are basically Plutonians.
Logically, we should be ignored.
And yet they frantically run around with extinguishers and screeching ad hominem attacks
trying to put out the smoke, terrified it is going to erupt into a fire.
One that they can no longer contain with personal attacks.
Their over the top response is completely disproportionate if the simple request is so “ kooky and loony. “


15 posted on 08/01/2009 9:49:35 AM PDT by Wild Irish Rogue
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To: SvenMagnussen

I have been considering what plan Obama has to overcome this. He can’t put it off beyond 2012 because it will certainly come up in an unflattering way by his opponents then. I am guessing that he would take some manufactured crisis, blow it out of proportion, and leverage off of it. Ideally the crisis would involve his perceived detractors, birthers, as the alleged perpetrators of the event that leads to the crisis. Obama could then ride in on a white horse and afterwards the MSM would declare any lingering doubts about his constitutional elegibility for all intents and purposes moot since no one would want to challenge his elegibility after having heroically saved the country from such an alleged birther-induced crisis.


16 posted on 08/01/2009 9:51:25 AM PDT by SteveH (First they ignore you. Then they laugh at you. Then they fight you. Then you win.)
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To: SvenMagnussen

If this is all BS, why would media matters waste money attacking it. Sounds like this hits a nerve somewhere.

Plus, buy ads all day long. It just tells more people about it.


17 posted on 08/01/2009 9:56:52 AM PDT by Terry Mross ( I hate all politicians. Including republicans.)
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To: ckilmer
You have Sarah Obama, one of Obama's grandfather's other wives, saying that Barack Obama was a "son of the village," and McRae claims this means he was born in the village, because of cognate Indian roots. Since when is Lao an Indo-European language? He could be right, but I'd be stupid to take his word for it without looking the words up for myself.

Then, without citing any more evidence McRae expands this to having her present at his birth in Kenya, perhaps in Mombasa. Mombasa is on the other side of the country, so if he was "born in the village" he wasn't born in Mombasa. McRae didn't explain his conclusion or clear up the contradiction.

Then you have that very confused phone conversation. I'd hold off on any conclusions until I come across a good Lao speaker-interpreter. McRae isn't a trustworthy source, and his interpreter's English isn't all that good.

"Son of the soil" is like "son of the village": it's a phrase that can be used metaphorically as well as literally. John Kennedy was a "Son of Old Ireland," but he wasn't born there (Bill Clinton was also a "son" of the village in Ireland that the Clinton family came from, even though the Clintons were actually his step-father's family).

As for the ambassador, this looks like one of those "Borat" things. An interviewer tries to catch a politician off-balance. The politician catches the prankster trying to make him say something silly. But he can't dodge all the tricks. Just because he doesn't fall into one trap, doesn't mean that when he does misspeak it's the truth.

18 posted on 08/01/2009 10:00:03 AM PDT by x
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To: Salthawk
14 year old daughter is going out of town, by airplane, with a friend.
14 year old daughter is upset that mom and dad do not want her to have a “learners permit” drivers license, just yet.
14 year old daughter swears she needs a “state issued photo ID” to get on the airplane.

Dad has very good friends in the airline business. They tell me this is not so, she is a minor. They also tell me that her school issued photo ID will be adequate, anyway, even if a photo ID is required.

Daughter then gets an older sister involved, saying that “mom and dad don't care if I can't go on this trip!”

I explain law to the older daughter, but not sure that she believes me, so I tell her that I will do what I have to do, for the learners permit, but that I will then keep said permit in my possession, until we feel comfortable with the idea. I then have to order a new Birth Certificate for younger daughter, as I can not locate the one I thought I had on file.

I call the other parents involved, they laugh, they tell me that they agree that my daughter does not need a learners permit or a state issued photo ID, due to her minor status.

—— Younger daughter gets FURIOUS with me, for calling other parents involved, and for discussing the issue with her mother and her sister!

Gee, I think I can forgive my 14 year old.

Obama?

Not so much!

19 posted on 08/01/2009 10:06:05 AM PDT by Kansas58
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To: SvenMagnussen

Dobbs should invite Claire McCaskill on his program to discuss Senate Resolution 511 and ask her why they didn’t do one of these for Barak Obama????? Hmmmmmm Claire???? are you there, Claire?????


20 posted on 08/01/2009 10:06:37 AM PDT by Uncle Chip (TRUTH : Ignore it. Deride it. Allegorize it. Interpret it. But you can't ESCAPE it.)
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To: x
I agree with your concerns about McRae. However, the Kenyan National Assembly on Nov 5, 2008, the day after Obama was elected Over and over again made references to Obama being a "son of the soil" of Kenya and a Kenyan.


Obama's own flacks deny that obama was born in Kenya but do acknowledge that he had a dual citizenship up until 1982

from obama's own site factcheck.org(this is cached as the original was taken down) by way of fightthesmears on his dual citizenship at birth

“When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4,1961, in Honolulu, Kenya was a British colony, still part of the United Kingdom’s dwindling empire. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.‘s children.

Since Sen. Obama has neither renounced his U.S. citizenship nor sworn an oath of allegiance to Kenya, his Kenyan citizenship automatically expired on Aug. 4,1982.”(Someone will want to cache the above web page because it will be taken down eventually. Ah here is the cached version.) Here is a better cached versionHere's a third Kindly cache these too.

Here is the problem with fighthesmears narrative: We already have recorded that Obama's wife michellle said Obama's mother was "very young and very single" when obama was born. British law at the time of obama's birth only gave citizenship from the father to the son in the case that the father is married to the mother:ie the son is legitimate. See wikipedia 2.4.3Since obama's parents were NOT married -- how did obama get his British/Kenyancitizenship? Its not unreasonable to think that he got his British/Kenyan because he was born there--and not because of his parentage. As to the famous newsclipping in Hawaii that states that bama was born there in 1961--there is evidence to suggest that the house named as the place where Obama was born -- was lived in by someone else besides his parents. Once again, Just one piece of evidence could easily be dismissed. It is the accumulation of evidence that is troubling.
It is well established that Obama did travel to Indonesia and Pakistan in 1981. In a tape of his speech at this April 6, 2008 San Francisco Fundraiser, Obama discloses his trip to Pakistan (40:17) when he was in college. On what passport did he travel?

A last arguement for baraks people might be that of course the Kenyans would have an interest in claiming that obama was a "son of the soil" both as a matter of pride and as a matter of bucks coming their way. However, if Obama was not born in Kenya -- then why wouldn't Obama release his original long form birth certificate. Instead of just releasing his long form birth certificate he has paid his lawyers 1 million dollars from campaign contributions since Sept 08 to squash the suits brought on the issue. On top of that according to the LA Times since the election -- the Kenyans feel that Obama has gone out of his way to snub/ignore/distance-himself them. The Kenyans are putting up reasons like perhaps they are insufficiently perfected for him to notice them--but here in the USA we have seen Obama throw a number of embarrasing people from his past under the bus. Obama is going to Africa. Will he visit Kenya? Nope.
21 posted on 08/01/2009 10:10:29 AM PDT by ckilmer (Phi)
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To: InterceptPoint
Somebody with money wants this whole “Birther Thing” killed RIGHT NOW

yeah it is irrational to spend a boatload of money to suppress the truth rather than simply providing the actual proof

22 posted on 08/01/2009 10:12:47 AM PDT by mjp (pro-{God, reality, reason, egoism, individualism, independence, limited government, capitalism})
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To: ckilmer
We already have recorded that Obama's wife michellle said Obama's mother was "very young and very single" when obama was born. British law at the time of obama's birth only gave citizenship from the father to the son in the case that the father is married to the mother:ie the son is legitimate. See wikipedia 2.4.3Since obama's parents were NOT married -- how did obama get his British/Kenyancitizenship? Its not unreasonable to think that he got his British/Kenyan because he was born there--and not because of his parentage

Now that angle would make perfect sense...

23 posted on 08/01/2009 10:16:05 AM PDT by Cyropaedia ("Virtue cannot separate itself from reality without becoming a principal of evil...".)
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To: SvenMagnussen

And those media matters folks claim they are impartial. hah


24 posted on 08/01/2009 10:36:15 AM PDT by FreeAtlanta (There is no "O" in Transparency.)
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To: La Lydia

I would say, I hope they spend their wad, but Oboma and his fellow democrat crooks will just send more of our money to them via ACORN and it’s 187 other corp. names.


25 posted on 08/01/2009 10:39:05 AM PDT by FreeAtlanta (There is no "O" in Transparency.)
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To: cripplecreek

There is no transparency in Obama.


26 posted on 08/01/2009 10:40:49 AM PDT by FreeAtlanta (There is no "O" in Transparency.)
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To: SvenMagnussen

Lou should think “What would Rush do?”

He could review the arguments made in the ad and talk to them without (immediate) rebuttal. Talk about bringing a knife to a gun fight... and CNN would being paid for the entertainment that everyone would watch.

I don’t expect it would last very long.


27 posted on 08/01/2009 11:27:04 AM PDT by plsjr (<>< ... reality always gets the last vote.)
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To: SvenMagnussen

Soros’ wholly owned poodle — David “When I’m talking I’m lying” Brock has his panties in a wad again. Silly Queen. Doesn’t she know absolutely no one — not even the dreck that works at Media Matters — believes anything put out by Media Matters. They’re all a bunch of slugs who nobody will hire anywhere else to do anything else. Losers!


28 posted on 08/01/2009 11:29:18 AM PDT by WashingtonSource
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To: ckilmer
from obama's own site factcheck.org(this is cached as the original was taken down) by way of fightthesmears on his dual citizenship at birth

For what it is worth, the Fight The Smears website is now back up, and you can use your second link directly: http://www.fightthesmears.com/articles/5/birthcertificate.

29 posted on 08/01/2009 11:34:26 AM PDT by snowsislander (NRA -- join today! 1-877-NRA-2000)
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To: ckilmer
Thanks for the response.

Here is the problem with fighthesmears narrative: We already have recorded that Obama's wife michellle said Obama's mother was "very young and very single" when obama was born. British law at the time of obama's birth only gave citizenship from the father to the son in the case that the father is married to the mother:ie the son is legitimate. See wikipedia 2.4.3Since obama's parents were NOT married -- how did obama get his British/Kenyancitizenship? Its not unreasonable to think that he got his British/Kenyan because he was born there--and not because of his parentage.

This is like the two hospitals thing. O's people aren't on the same page on this. Or they weren't working off the same story. Even in a tighly run campaign there are people who act off what they personally think they know, not the story the candidate wants to put out.

His wife assumed that her husband's parents weren't legally married, and the website started out from the assumption that they were and he got Kenyan/British citizenship/subjecthood from his father. I don't think you can just combine the two claims and arrive at something by process of elimination or deduction, because the person who put the website together may not even have known about the rumor that O's parents weren't married.

I'd put my money on Michelle having more of the real story. In his memoir, Obama mentions something about not inquiring too deeply into his parents' marriage for fear of finding out that his parents were never really legally married. I suspect he found out that they weren't (though if true, we'd have to figure out what to do about the divorce papers). I suspect that's one reason why O won't release his long form birth certificate. The other may be that his race is given as "White (Caucasian). But I don't have any evidence for that last conjecture.

30 posted on 08/01/2009 12:06:50 PM PDT by x
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To: x

the number of anomolies is immense. for example, last summer the crucial piece of evidence that obama was born in hawaii was a newspaper clipping that came out in july.

Its since come out that every piece of information on the clipping wasn’t true. The clipping says mr & mrs but there is no evidence that the two were married at the time — quite the contrary. the article name an address where someone else lived. there is a record for O’s father’s address—but it is elsewhere. the name of the hospital is different from the hospital named in many previous accounts. the only surviving neighbor of the residence mentioned in the newspaper clipping says there were no mixed race couples at the address next door at the time. the birth record number on obama’s short form birth certificate actually comes before the the birth record number on the baby named in the article as having been born before Obama.

there is no marriage certifate and no record of o’s parents ever actually having lived together. In dreams of my father pg 81 obama’s mother mentions the period of Obama’s birth and never actually says she was married to O’s father at the time.


31 posted on 08/01/2009 1:25:19 PM PDT by ckilmer (Phi)
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To: SvenMagnussen

Man, these anti-birth certificate kooks are losing it! It’s just a piece of paper! Nothing to be freaked out about!


32 posted on 08/01/2009 6:14:54 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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