Posted on 08/01/2009 12:58:37 PM PDT by Askwhy5times
“FREE THE LONG FORM!”
That may well be, but I want to see more background. Our President has revealed less about himself than any major politician in recent memory. I think it is important for the electorate to be well informed. If there's no skeletons, open the closet, and then we'll just talk politics.
That's right. The best anyone can muster is hearsay, innuendo and what could loosely be described as circumstantial evidence. This is the problem. American law presumes the affirmative. The onus probandi lies with the plaintiff, not the defendant.
As an example, in a civil case regarding paternity, it's the plaintiff (who is presumably suing for support) that has to prove that the defendant is the father. There's is no burden placed on the defendant to prove he isn't the father.
Obama has the upper hand, insomuch as the document that he already posses and that has been publicly validated be state of Hawaii officials qualifies as prima fascia evidence of his birth in HI. The mountain that the plaintiff's would have to climb, would be enormous.
I am at the same time a Natural Born Citizen and a Dual Citizen.
People keep bringing up the issue of citizenship. I don’t think that is the main issue. Obama is a citizen unless he renounced his citizenship after the age of eighteen, but we don’t have any evidence ATM that he did. The question is how does an adoption and citizenship in a foreign country affect one’s natural born status? This is not 100% clear.
“Other candidates for both parties have produced voluminous information in the past when asked.” Done so voluntarily so as to not cause any controversy. Hell, if no docs exist, dan rather (not) just makes the stuff up. barry sotero is hiding all his records for a reason. He is spending a big pile of cash for lawyers to keep all this stuff from surfacing. Not just his birth cert., but for his school records and on and on. So logic dicates that whatever it is that he is hiding, it is very damaging. Hey nice going there DNC and your media. I guess to them, the ends justify the means to get their sock puppet in place.
I knew you couldn’t handle that one......0-rumpswab.
Will you still look up to Ogabe when he’s in jail? Send him fan mail and naked pictures of your hamster? What a maroon troll.
EHHHHHHHHHH.....INCORRECT. Care for door number three?
Please point out the law that states that one cannot be a Natural Born Citizen and while being a Dual Citizen.
In fact, not only am I Dual citizen but so is my wife, our daughter and my father in law.
Wife, daughter and Father in Law are natural born American citizens and Israeli citizens.
You can say it until you're blue in the face, and it still won't be true.
Cite the relevant statute, please. And, help me out by bolding or highlighting the specific, technical term-of-art from the Constitution, "natural-born citizen," being legally applied to your particular situation.
I know you can't, and you know you can't. But, you still keep saying what you know is not true, but fervently wish to be true.
Also, explain why there have been numerous proposals put forth, in both House and Senate, over the past five years, seeking to extend Presidential eligibility, purportedly only to children of military parents, born overseas, via Constitutional amendment.
According to you, this is entirely unnecessary. And yet, there it is. And it's verified in the State Department's own pamphlet on the matter.
One would suspect there is something that is best hidden because of the effort and expense invested in hiding it. However, I believe that is BHO's decision (and Michelle's), and that the actual inflammatory information -- if any, to be objective -- is not known outside of a very narrow circle. The DNC and the press are just backing their horse.
Again, I will trust the State Department’s view of Dual Nationality and U.S. Citizenship over any other source.
“The automatic acquisition or retention of a foreign nationality, acquired, for example, by birth in a foreign country or through an alien parent, does not affect U.S. citizenship.”
http://travel.state.gov/law/citizenship/citizenship_778.html
Rather than rehashing this with an obamabot like yourself... I’ll post a response by freeper thecodont. I think he sums up your mental problems quite nicely.
“I am seeing people making interpretations of what they want “natural-born citizen” to mean rather than going back to original intent and source documents (e.g. Vattel).
I think defining NBC is an emotional issue for some, because it is “anti-egalitarian.” Stick to the firm definition of NBC, and you conclude that no, not everyone can be President. Not even if you born here and were an upstanding citizen. Not even if Mommy and Daddy were good Americans but you were born overseas. Not even if you were naturalized and served in the Armed Services.
Can you imagine a modern American schoolteacher surveying her classroom and telling her pupils, “Not all of you can grow up to be President, you have to have American parents, and be born here in America”? Can you imagine the screams and the tears, the crying about discrimination and unfairness? But we seem to have come to the point where we care more about the feelings of an individual than the welfare of a whole country.
I know I was taught (long ago, ha ha) in school that only a child of American citizen parents, born on American soil, could become President. It was in our class on American history. We were also taught the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. Learning about what the Constitutional requirements for President were was a sobering thought but this law is part of our nation’s history.
A natural-born citizen, as stipulated in Article II, section 1 of the Constitution, is one who has an ironclad allegiance to his country through birth and parentage. He is in a sort of state of grace; he has not earned his status by law: he is at least one generation removed from statutory citizenship. Loyalty to his home country is an essential, inborn part of who he is.
The people who feel squeamish about the NBC requirement for the Presidency also feel squeamish about the need for national defense. We have firm boundaries about our country’s borders and we need to remember we have these boundaries for citizenship too, though some groups have tried hard to blur or weaken them.”
No. Ethnicity is not irrelevant when using the example of Israel and the citizenship privileges it extends to "returning Jews". My point was the boy qualified for Israeli citizenship under two principles of Israeli law.
You last statement, "Obama is not a natural born citizen BECAUSE his father was not US citizen" is a widely held belief, but there isn't any court that has held for that assertion. In fact, courts at every level have chosen not to entertain litigation based on that premise. And until they do, it will be nothing more than speculation and conjecture.
This could be the reason 0bama doesn't want the long form birth certificate released. If he was adopted by Lolo Soetoro and given the legal name Barry Soetoro, he would have had to LEGALLY change it to Barack Obama in order to place that name on a ballot.
If he placed the name Barack Obama on a ballot while still legally known as Barry Soetoro it would disqualify him. It might even be a felony.
“The automatic acquisition or retention of a foreign nationality, acquired, for example, by birth in a foreign country or through an alien parent, does not affect U.S. citizenship.”
You can mention Vattel all you want, but I do not see his name in our Constitution and I do not believe that writings of Swiss philosophers govern our nation.
You assume that he has naturalized U.S. citizenship to begin with, which is your first mistake. Since it is a fact that he was born as a British citizen at birth, Indonesia may have prohibited the British aspect of it.
And could you cite the Congressional Legislation that states that the United States and all its citizens and inhabitants must comply with Indonesian law?
Nice non-sequitiur, but it's not related to the topic.
More evasion. You know good and well that pregnant, overseas State Department employees are advised to remove to the United States to give birth, in order to transmit natural-born citizenship to their offspring.
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