Skip to comments.Birthers: A Natural Born Kenyan?
Posted on 08/03/2009 8:21:03 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
I havent run too many stories on this Obama birth certificate stuff. It seemed too far out, at least at first. Many of the lawsuits brought up on this subject were thrown out. Several of the original movers and shakers were people with, um, a bit of a wobbly reputation. But the story persists. Just last week I watched Ann Coulter cut the Birthers off at the knees, write them off as nut cases, and distance herself from their quest. Birthers are the new 9/11 Conspiracy Truthers.
But unlike the Truthers, the Birthers questions can be answered. It really does look like our new President is hiding his past. Sure, he came out of nowhere, with very little job experience, and lied in public left and lefter about his former associates, commies and agitators all. And he got away with it. Even though he wrote in his two books how he hung out with these types, nobody listened. So We elected a pig in a poke, a guy with no background, a halfrican enigma whos only real skill was delivering meaningless sound bites that sounded real nice.
But Obamas past is still under wraps. Nobody can dig up any information on him. Not his primary school records, not his college work, just one or two short essays from his time as president of the Harvard Law Review. Nobody can be found who took his courses, yet were told he was a professor of Constitutional Law, or at least a guest lecturer on the subject. Somewhere in between? Wheres the Beef? He worked at a law office. Right down the hall from Bill Ayers. The guy who he claims not to know. The guy who used to babysit his kids. Under the bus. But even his former coworkers hardly knew he was there. Going back a bit in time, how did this guy get into Ivy League schools? Who paid the tuition? And then theres that whole ACORN connection, and his time spent as a
rabble rouser and protester trainer community organizer and grass roots campaigning consultant. Its all a big mystery. Weve been fed a pile of misinformation, yet at the same time nuggets of truth may have been delivered but were then ignored. Go figure. Most folks didnt notice it. Most folks dont question his eligibility to be President. Very few even understand the laws that were in place back in 1961, and even fewer realize that those are the laws that apply to the Birther question, not the laws we have today. Heck, I had to go back and count months on my fingers to accept that his mother was actually a statutory rape victim; she wasnt 18 yet when she became pregnant with him. So this confusing thing gets swept under the bus rug. Except that every week, every time some news piece mentions Africa, we hear how thrilled the people there are that we in the USA actually have a President who was born in Africa. So the rumors dont die.
Ok, heres the latest. And it comes from World Net Daily. A paper that hasnt had the best reputation for journalistic integrity in the past. But who can point that finger anymore? No paper seems to have much integrity anymore, and at least one of those gossip rags has broken a major story in the past that the respected papers wouldnt touch. So where does that leave us?
BORN IN THE USA?
Is this really smoking gun of Obamas Kenyan birth? Attorney files motion for authentication of alleged 1960s certificate from Africa
California attorney Orly Taitz, who has filed a number of lawsuits demanding proof of Barack Obamas eligibility to serve as president, has released a copy of what purports to be a Kenyan certification of birth and has filed a new motion in U.S. District Court for its authentication.
The document lists Obamas parents as Barack Hussein Obama and Stanley Ann Obama, formerly Stanley Ann Dunham, the birth date as Aug. 4, 1961, and the hospital of birth as Coast General Hospital in Mombasa, Kenya.
No doctor is listed. But the alleged certificate bears the signature of the deputy registrar of Coast Province, Joshua Simon Oduya. It was allegedly issued as a certified copy of the original in February 1964.
WND was able to obtain other birth certificates from Kenya for purposes of comparison, and the form of the documents appear to be identical.
... Taitz told WND that the document came from an anonymous source who doesnt want his name known because hes afraid for his life.
Taitzs motion, filed yesterday in the U.S. District Court for the Central District of California, requests the purported evidence of Obamas birth both the alleged birth certificate and foreign records not yet obtained be preserved from destruction, asks for permission to legally request documents from Kenya and seeks a subpoena for deposition from Secretary of State Hillary Clinton.
I filed the motion with the court asking for expedited discovery, which would allow me to start subpoenas and depositions even before Obama and the government responds, Taitz told WND. I am asking the judge to give me the power to subpoena the documents from the Kenyan embassy and to require a deposition from Hillary Clinton so they will be forced to authenticate [the birth certificate]. ... Taitzs most celebrated case involved a military officer, Maj. Stefan Cook, whose order to deploy to Afghanistan was revoked when he challenged Obamas eligibility to hold office. That case has now been refiled in federal court in Florida, raising the specter of a class-action claim among members of the military that their orders arent valid because of questions surrounding Obamas constitutional eligibility. ... Named as defendants are Simtech, Cooks former civilian employer, and several officials, including Col. Louis B. Wingate and Secretary of Defense Robert Gates.
Here is the link. Pictures of an alleged real Kenyan birth certificate, embossed, numbered, and signed.
It looks like Taitz has a document, and he has a client with actual standing. So his case ought not to be dismissed out of hand, as so many of the other ones were.
The first problem, as I see it, is that the public has come to realize that nothing is true anymore, no document can be trusted as genuine, and that the media will lie, cheat, steal, and flout Fake But Accurate to achieve their goals. All the trust has been leeched from the system. Truth is not true unless you want it to be. OJ didnt do it. (well, until he wrote a book saying how he did it). Bush lied. When he didnt. Clinton was framed, because it was just sex and everybody lies about that. Bush stole the election. Twice! 9/11 was an inside job. The moon landing was faked. The Tet Offensive was a victory for North Vietnam and America was in an unwinnable war there. The lying liars and the lies theyve told have worn away trust until its not even a shadow anymore. So who are you going to believe? Some faceless official in Hawaii, who claims a recent digital record is the real thing, supported by a web page that accepts a recent reprint as the original?
If the Kenyan allegation is correct, then we have an even bigger second problem. That would mean that Obama is a usurper, an illegitimate president. Now, how are you going to toss this guy out of office without massive amounts of blood in the streets? Because you know the inner cities will burn. You know that every black person in America is going to go apesh*t. And half of the white people will somehow see this as a coup by those secret forces that really run the world - even though it would be a Democrat majority House and Senate doing the tossing. If all this high speed push to Socialism hasnt brought the nation to the edge of violent revolution, giving a Kenyan the boot will do it. And the Red Banner will have its greatest martyr ever.
she went at it with some gomer on msLSD today. I can’t imagine that anyone (unless it was a liberal scum) would try to put up a fake KNOWING it would be under the heaviest of scrutiny by everyone, ‘rat and conservative....
“he seems to think that Orly Taitz is a man.”
well he might think Hillary is a man, too, absent an understandable reason for a “deposition” from her....I am recognizing that Hillary just might be Taitz’ source of the document, unspent ammunition she collected for the primary or that it arrived too late?
“the document came from an anonymous source who doesnt want his name known because hes afraid for his life.
“to require a deposition from Hillary Clinton”
He is maybe not right on statutory rape law in Hawaii either. A website I found indicates a current age of consent of 16. Hard to believe it was higher in 1961.
It’s a forgery. Case closed.
I think it also depends on the age of the other party, as well, doesn’t it?
Sniff, sniff at post #6.
here come the puddy cats for ya....
Tried the link a few times; . . . HTTP 404 Not Found . . .
It's dead, Jim.
Apparently yes as of 2003.
says for Hawaii:
“First-degree sexual assault to knowingly engage in sexual penetration (1) with someone under age 14 or (2) with someone between age 14 and 16 when the offender is more than five years older.”
Whether there was an age difference in the early 1960s and whether the age was 16 or 14 is hard to know. I think it would have been unusual for the age to have been 18 in the early 1960s.
Wow, and this being posted by somebody who's been a member of Free Republic for two whole days!
He's a troll. Case closed.
get lost young’n.
“47” year old “0”bama is the “44”th President.
Yes, troll, the Bomford exhibit is a forgery, fabrciated by Koyaan. What’s your point, troll?
You obamanoids don’t stay current with the frauds do you? The E.F Lavender, and 47044 are fabrications after the initial image from Orly’s site was posted. Now her site has a fake and so does the scrib site. So, obamanoid troll, what’s next on the talking points diversion and deception list.
The TRUTH is OUT THERE!!!! A conspiracy of hackers got on Orly’s site and made it LOOK like an obvious fraud!!!! OMG!!! OH NOES!!!!/s
Have another drink and calm down. You discredit yourself and your movement by attacking anybody who points out the truth as an “obamanoid troll”.
The linked document had 47O44; I want Freepers to be aware that this is a fraud.
You're a forgery. Case open.
You are unhinged and we know it for sure now...
The “Kenyan” document you linked to is STILL Form 47O44.
Is that the “pseudo” fake one that some hacker put on Orly’s site; as opposed to the “totally” fake South Australian one?
Mombasa was part of the state of Zanzibar until 12 December 1963 when it was ceded to be incorporated into the newly independent state of Kenya.
So now 0bama is a “natural born Zanzibaran”?
Troll alert. Clean up on aisle allmendream. Obamanoid slugslime in progress.
Uuummm, Common Dreams dot Org., the latest news is that the Bomford is the fake one fabricated by Koyann (Steve Ellis). See link below:
Document 47O44 is a fake. That is my point. Apparently you agree with me on that.
Anybody linking to document 47O44 other than to heap scorn upon it has been taken in by an obvious fraud.
So stop linking to it.
If Obama isn't eligible, there will be a unanimous vote to impeach him. It wouldn't come to that because Obama would be compelled to resign.
The reason the Democrats would have to impeach is that Obama wouldn't have any authority if he remained in office and Congress likes having their bills signed into law and actually have citizens follow those laws.
Also, states would no longer recognize the Federal Government's authority and the military wouldn't recognize him as CinC. No army of ACORN people will be able to enforce his perpetually illegal presidency.
If Obama isn’t eligible, there will be a unanimous vote to impeach him.If Obama isn’t eligible, there will be a unanimous vote to impeach him.
***You know that stuff that plops out of the back end of a bull? Yeah, that. If we couldn’t get the Bent One with DNA on a blue dress, we won’t get this guy with a little piece of disputed paper and a democratic majority congress.
Kevmo wrote: ***You know that stuff that plops out of the back end of a bull? Yeah, that. If we couldnt get the Bent One with DNA on a blue dress, we wont get this guy with a little piece of disputed paper and a democratic majority congress.
This is almost as good as the DUmmie who yelled that Obama must be eligible becaue THE LAW wouldn't let him be President otherwise.
Maybe someone else remembers this like I do... Back during the election debacle I remember SCOTUS being very concerned with the "remedy". If we decide in your favor, how would it all play out?
The only real remedy if Obama is rendered ineligible to hold office is to remove him from office. While I think that would be the moral, Constitutional way to proceed, it really does place our country in an explosive situation.
Think how incensed people were over Bush vs Gore. Can you imagine "The Republicans removed the First Black President from office"? I just don't think SCOTUS will go there.
I didn't say he'd be impeached for having a little piece of disputed paper. He'd be impeached if he was proved to be ineligible. I hope you can see the difference between dispute and proof.
You signed up yesterday just to post that?
All Obama has to do is produce his birth certificate.
Two years ago his law firm was working on this problem. Why?
Why did he spend over $1million NOT to show it instead of $12.50 it would cost to show it?
If he manages his affairs so badly, how can he manage the country?
He promised transparency. Why are ALL of his records hidden?
Why hasn't there been an investigation into the over $300,000 per year bribe that the Obamas got via a phoney job for Michelle Obama that reeks of corruption in high places?
“FREE THE LONG FORM!”
I can see the difference. He will not be impeached because of one huge problem: our congress critters, especially democrats, have no respect for the constitution.
I just don’t think SCOTUS will go there.
***SCOTUS didn’t go there. They had Berg v Obama right in front of them and they looked the other way. It was their job to uphold the constitution and they did not do it. We give them lifetime employment so that they don’t have to worry about the political ramifications of their decision, and the reason why they wouldn’t make a decision was... due to the political ramifications. They violated the social contract. If any negative consequences arise due to this scandal, the responsibility falls on their shoulders.
He kinda has a good point. Here’s hoping the puppies let go of this bone.
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