Posted on 08/04/2009 12:39:32 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
I have to admit, I had never heard the term “birther” before. I don’t watch tv much, so I guess that’s why. Dictionary.com doesn’t have a clue what “birther” is either. So, whenever a word is used I don’t know and dictionary.com doesn’t either, I go to urbandictionary.com. They of course have it. According to them, birther has several definitions:
A conspiracy theorist who believes that Barack Obama is ineligible for the Presidency of the United States, based on any number of claims related to his place of birth, birth certificate, favorite birthday, or whether or not he has heard the song Africa by Toto. “Did you know that Barack Obama’s parents concealed the location of his birth because they knew he would grow up to be President? What? Of course it makes sense, I’m a birther!” barack obama president birth conspiracy Brent Elliott, Dec 8, 2008
A racist sore loser who can’t deal with having a black president so they make up absurd conspiracy theories about Barack Obama’s birth certificate. These nutjobs actually believe that there has been a conspiracy going back 48 years to fake Barack Obama’s birth certificate. Apparently they had a crystal ball and knew that this black child (born in the days of segregation) would someday run for President. “Just ignore that racist nutjob foaming at the mouth. He’s a right wing birther conspiracy nut. gop racist bedwetter nazi klansman self-hating-gay, scoobydubious, Jul 16, 2009
A person who believes that Barack Obama has controversy and/or fraud surrounding his birth, though all theories have been either rejected or proved false. The birthers gathered on the steps of the Supreme Court – all 20 of them. http://hotair.com/archives/2008/12/09/birthers-get-another-lifeline/
A redneck born on American soil in a barn delivered by a drunken veterinarian who also performs abortions. Parents are both American citizens who are usually first cousins if not brother and sister. Birthers fought for their right to marry their cousins. hillbilly redneck birth conspiracy obama by billthecat, Jul 28, 2009
A knuckle dragging gutter culture warrior related to tea bagging citizens who don’t want to pay taxes because they don’t support our troops. “Obama’s parents were so smart they planned 50 years ago to have a baby on foreign land and get him elected into the White House so he can raise taxes to pay for our troops. It’s true I am a tea bagging birther” What were those tea bagging protesters complaining about again? Ohh yay they refuse to accept a black man as president and now have resorted to saying Obama can not be president cause he is an illegal alien. Sounds crazy? No I am just a tea bagging “birther.” teabagging obama birther conspiracy nutjob troop hater knuckle dragging
A term for the frothy liquid mixture formed in the vagina when a baby is born. It is a foul smelling combination of maternal blood, vernix, and meconium (baby poop) that drips down over the mother’s anus during the third stage of labor. It is thought to be a contraction of the words “birth” and “lather.”, “Nurse, would you please wipe that birther off the crack of my patient’s a$$? a$$hole dumbf*ck idiot racistfool by drsteevo, Jul 28, 2009
Jargon term, or buzz word used by mainstream media to discredit, and marginalize the legal battle of Philip Berg, a registered democrat operating out of PA. The term was most recently pegged in an attempt to divide, a bi-partisan investigation into the legitimacy of Barack H Obama’s Presidency. If you don’t like mafia leaders, and respect the rule of law, then you are a birther.
So, after seeing that list of definitions submitted by what has to be respected observers of the United States version of the English language, it’s no wonder Eugene Robinson at RealClearPolitics thinks so lowly of birthers as well. He’s a little more kindly, simply calling them “nutjobs” in his opinion piece entitled “The Berserk Birthers”.
Now, this is where it gets kind of crazy for me:
Also beyond the Outer Limits of sanity is CNN anchor Lou Dobbs, who has been giving prime-time exposure to the “birther” lunacy — even while denying that he believes in it. Dobbs’ obsession with the “story” has become an embarrassment to the network, which has tried to position itself as untainted by political bias. CNN/U.S. President Jon Klein has pronounced the story “dead,” but insists that it’s legitimate for Dobbs to examine the alleged controversy, though in fact no controversy exists.
CNN untainted by political bias? Wow! Now THAT’S out there! That’s berserk! That’s something only a nutjob could believe. It gets even better:
Is this an orchestrated campaign to somehow delegitimize Obama’s presidency? Is the fact that he is the first African-American president a factor? Is it that some people can’t or won’t accept that he won the election and serves as commander in chief?
Maybe, maybe not. Trying to analyze the “birther” phenomenon would mean taking it seriously, and taking it seriously would be like arguing about the color of unicorns. About all that can be said is that a bunch of lost, confused and frightened people have decided to seek refuge in conspiratorial make-believe. I hope they’re harmless. And I hope they seek help.
Now, it’s impossible for me to buy for one second CNN ever concerned itself about being unbiased in this last election. I’ve got an entire thread on this blog dedicated to news media political bias, and CNN is all over it. It goes back almost five years of documented cases of bias most usually with documentation proving that bias.
So, here’s the rub I have with this article by Eugene Robinson, if the argument against something neither cites evidence disproving the original argument and uses obviously flawed logic to discredit the original argument, it means the person making the argument really never set out to make any real effort to counter that argument. Monty Python illustrated best in their “taunting Frenchmen” bit on The Holy Grail. Don’t concern yourself with logic, just hurl insults.
And, for Eugene’s enlightenment, the whole birther thing has been kept alive because The White House will not provide a legitimate birth certificate. Now, I carry one in my pocket. It’s not that hard a thing to do. If Obama was the least bit interested in putting this whole birther thing to rest, he would have presented it. As it is, he apparently doesn’t care one way or the other. That’s the boat I’m in. I could care less. But, what I don’t believe in at all is running around hurling insults at people who believe otherwise, either way. Sure, it sounds kinda crazy that some people are making the argument Obama wasn’t born in the United States. But, it sounds even crazier to me that some people think CNN is not politically biased. And, in the big scope of things, which is more realistically dangerous, people of no influence thinking their president was born outside of the United States, or, media people ignoring media bias?
"*A certified birth certificate has a registrar's raised, embossed, impressed or multicolored seal, registrar’s signature, and the date the certificate was filed with the registrar's office, which must be within 1 year of your birth. Please note, some short (abstract) versions of birth certificates may not be acceptable for passport purposes. "
And if you believe anythi gof what you wrote then I have a seaside mansion on sale for you.
Without disrespect but horrified by your naivete, your thinking and simplicity is why we have Obamabo as President. The voters believed the lies he threw at them and continues to do so.
And there are trolls on FR, too, who lurk and try to disinform and scare to protect Obama.
A bit like you they refused to check out facts posted over and over on FreeRepublic and other sites like AntiMullah.
a registrar's raised, embossed, impressed or multicolored seal The seal on Obama's COLB is raised. Check.
registrar’s signature, On the back. Check.
and the date the certificate was filed with the registrar's office, which must be within 1 year of your birth. Obama's was filed on August 8, 1961. His birth birth on August 4, 1961. There's less than a one year difference between those two dates. Check.
Please note, some short (abstract) versions of birth certificates may not be acceptable for passport purposes.
Yes, some short versions are not acceptable, but Obama's clearly meets the requirements.
You would be right ONLY if the document presented was NOT a valid one and so would not serve Obama at all.
Are you aware that sites all over the Internet have scrubbed (removed) copies of the document you mention because they worry about subpoenas to produce what they have in court and be open to forgery and other charges?
It is NOT a birth CERTIFICATE but a Certification of Live Birth. FAmous Chinese born Sun Yat Sen has one of those. And he WAS NOT born in Hawaii
See for yourself.
http://noiri.blogspot.com/2009/07/obama-guilty-on-at-least-one-count-of.html
Yes we have, and it's because you're the one who's obstinate.
Here's how our typical conversation goes:
You: To be a natural born citizen, you need two citizen parents.
Me: No you don't. US v. Kim Wong Ark clearly says you don't.
Then crickets.
Then the next day you repeat the line, "To be a natural born citizen, you need two citizen parents," as if no conversation had previously taken place.
Sometimes it goes a little differently. Instead of ignoring Kim Wong Ark, you say, without any basis, that it is not relevant to the current situation when it clearly is.
United States vs. Kim Wong Ark has absolutely NOTHING to do with this situation,
I see. So today you are choosing plan B. Okay, here we go.
The Kim Wong Ark case is directly relevant because it was a citizenship case. SCOTUS court ruled that Mr. Ark was a natural born citizen even though his parents were not. Please explain to me why that is different from the current situation.
as has been proved over and over again here on FR.
You can't prove something by simply repeating it over and over again.
A difference without distinction. The state department still accepts a certification as proof of US birth.
FAmous Chinese born Sun Yat Sen has one of those.
No he did not. He had fraudulantly obtained a Certificate of Hawaiian Birth, an entirely different document.
Not true. Presenting a valid COLB would not stop the lawsuits. Most of them aren't even related to birth certificate issues.
""*A certified birth certificate has a registrar's raised, embossed, impressed or multicolored seal, registrar’s signature, and the date the certificate was filed with the registrar's office, which must be within 1 year of your birth. Please note, some short (abstract) versions of birth certificates may not be acceptable for passport purposes. ""
Where in the statement above does it exclude short form versions from the preceding definition?
The factcheck photos are still up:
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html
So is the scan on fightthesmears:
http://fightthesmears.com/articles/5/birthcertificate?fc_c=1378032x2896433x111239450
I don't see any evidence that it was scrubbed.
It doesn't. What's your point?
pot calling the kettle black. You are defintiely mixing oranges and apples with your reference.
These days there are anchor babies, no legal parents required. Back then different laws and ICE regulations applied. Check those out and then continue yor deflection of reality.
AND the matter of citizenship is a minor aspect showing only the probable degree or ineligibility. YOu have to be a NATURAL born kind and there is no way Obambi, with a Kenyan/British father, qualifies even if he were born on US soil.
Nothing about the COLB you defend qualifies as it is a poor forgery and has even been taken off the Obama site.
It used to be posted everywhere. See if you can find a copy anywhere on the INternet.
Think about it real hard.
Acceptance by the State Dept for a passport does not qualify the person to be President, does it? The same rules are not the controlling factors.
Sun Yat Sen’s was fraudulent but not Obambi’s? Really biased and selectively skewed eyesight. I won’t say mind set as this implies a sound mind behind the reasoning.
Bye
Okay, then please explain the difference. Mr. Kim: born in the USA, but allegedly not a natural born citizen because parents Chinese subjects. Court rules otherwise.
Mr. Obama: born in USA, but allegedly not a natural born citizen because Father British subject.
How's this different exactly?
These days there are anchor babies, no legal parents required. Back then different laws and ICE regulations applied. Check those out and then continue yor deflection of reality.
LOL. You are asking me to check what ICE regulations were in place at a time when ICE did not exist. And you're accusing me of being detached from reality?
YOu have to be a NATURAL born kind and there is no way Obambi, with a Kenyan/British father, qualifies even if he were born on US soil.
SCOTUS precedent says otherwise.
Nothing about the COLB you defend qualifies as it is a poor forgery and has even been taken off the Obama site.
It's still there in multiple places. See links above.
It proves natural born citizenship to any court or government agency, which is all that's at issue here.
Sun Yat Sen’s was fraudulent but not Obambi’s?
Sun Yat Sen's Certificate of Hawaiian birth was filed in 1911, 50 years before Obama's, before Hawaii was even a state. Furthermore, Sun Yat Sen's was filed more than a year after his birth, whereas Obama's was filed within 4 dyas.
It's not even the same type of document. A Certificate of Hawaiian Birth is not the same thing as a Certification of Live Birth. Look it up.
As you say, apples and oranges.
I did. I still don't see your point. Perhaps I'm stupid. I would really appreciate it if someone of your obviously superior intelligence would explain it to me.
If I refer to some British history in the days of Chaucer do you insist I use Chaucerian English? ICE did not but it is the current version of the Immigration organization and you are nitpicking and wasting our time.
Two known fervent pro-Obama sites out of dozens taht used to have it does not the matter prove. I believe they have removed it. When did you last check?
There is a Persian saying that describes what you are doing , it says putting both your feet into one shoe and (by inference refusing to budge because you cannot walk bu trefuse to admit it)
It means that the State of Hawaii has an original birth document of some sort for Obama in its archives. The information on the online COLB was taken from that source document.
The question remains: What is the nature of that original document? Is it a long-form birth certificate? It would be, if Obama was born in a hospital in Hawaii because the attending physician would have been required by law to file one.
If there is one, why hasn't it been released?
On the other hand, there are other types of “original” birth certificates that the State of Hawaii issued in 1961. And some of those would not necessarily have required that Obama have been born in Hawaii. They are merely attestation of his birth by a parent or near relative, his grandparents for example.
Now, if the “original” were of this type, one can see the reason for not releasing it.
And as a matter of fact, the State of Hawaii has refused to comment on exactly what kind of “original” document they have consulted to issue the COLB, which is only an electronic form verifying that the state has some form of original birth document in its possession.
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