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Is It Time To Recall Congress, Impeach Obama?
mukraker

Posted on 08/04/2009 10:32:10 PM PDT by mukraker

I have a simple question I'd like to ask of my fellow FReepers.

Has the time come for We, the Peiople, to recall EVERY Member of Congress? Should we then move also to IMPEACH President Barrach Hussein Obama and Vice-President Joe Biden?

Taking a look at what this bunch has done to America in the last 6 months, can We, the People, wait another 18 months for the next election?

Can America afford to wait?


TOPICS: Miscellaneous; Politics; Society
KEYWORDS: 111th; bhoimpeachment; congress; impeach; recall; vanity
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I know there are a few Members of Congress who might be worth keeping around, but the time has come to put Citizen Legislators in Congress. No more professional career politicians.
1 posted on 08/04/2009 10:32:11 PM PDT by mukraker
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To: mukraker

If ‘we’ wouldn’t impeach a Pres for wanting Amnesty, Bailouts, etc. why would we impeach Obama? Let the charade continue, don’t ya wanna see the end of the Movie? /s


2 posted on 08/04/2009 10:35:31 PM PDT by BGHater (Insanity is voting for Republicans and expecting Conservatism.)
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To: mukraker

I am not sure members of congress can be recalled. Impeached yes.


3 posted on 08/04/2009 10:36:29 PM PDT by mrsixpack36
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To: BGHater

This Movie Sucks!


4 posted on 08/04/2009 10:36:36 PM PDT by eyedigress
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To: mukraker

To answer your questions, yes and yes.


5 posted on 08/04/2009 10:36:55 PM PDT by Joann37
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To: BGHater
Love a good movie. This movie is really scary.

I don't want to see the end of America.

6 posted on 08/04/2009 10:41:47 PM PDT by mukraker
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To: BGHater

In this movie, the good guys get slaughtered. And nudity is Michelle Obama...do you want this horror story???


7 posted on 08/04/2009 10:42:24 PM PDT by max americana
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To: mrsixpack36

I know here in WI we do have the ability to petition for recall of elected officials. Leads to a new election, one in which the incumbant office holder can run. If they win they stay in office.


8 posted on 08/04/2009 10:44:11 PM PDT by mukraker
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To: mukraker

When a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their Duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new guards for their future security.


9 posted on 08/04/2009 10:47:57 PM PDT by mukraker
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To: mukraker

Congress people should realize that they are our representative in the fedgov... Slighty more then a sock puppet. Today, they seem not to represent the will of the people but the will of the fedgov ... Coming home for summer break to teach and inform the people of its intent

obviously, they need a lesson on their place in the system


10 posted on 08/04/2009 10:49:48 PM PDT by sten
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To: mukraker

Read the Constitution and crackpot ideas won’t be so easy to come by.

There is no recall of Congressmen. There is only one way to legally get rid of a Congressman: he can be removed by his peers in each respective House of Congress.

Now are you suggesting this crew of trained monkeys is going to throw each other out?


11 posted on 08/04/2009 10:50:41 PM PDT by arrogantsob
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To: mrsixpack36

No, members of Congress cannot be Impeached. Only the judiciary and executive are subject to impeachment.


12 posted on 08/04/2009 10:51:51 PM PDT by arrogantsob
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To: arrogantsob

Yeah they can! Every two years they can. But I get your point.


13 posted on 08/04/2009 11:01:08 PM PDT by navyblue (<u>)
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To: mukraker

Ummm..., you do know that it takes Congress (the House) to draw up Articles of Impeachment... I hope... :-)


14 posted on 08/04/2009 11:13:55 PM PDT by Star Traveler (The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is a Zionist and Jerusalem is the apple of His eye.)
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To: navyblue

Not being voted back in is not a “recall” such as some states have for their governors ala Grey Davis. Each two years is a new Congress.


15 posted on 08/04/2009 11:14:06 PM PDT by arrogantsob
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To: mukraker

1. There is not a recall provision for Congress so you have to wait 16 months for an election to vote out anyone you wat in the House and about a third of the Senate.

2. We can not impeach anyone. The US Constitution gives that power to the House with the trial in the Senate.


16 posted on 08/04/2009 11:14:39 PM PDT by JLS
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To: eyedigress

LOL


17 posted on 08/04/2009 11:15:04 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar
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To: mukraker

I’m all for it. IF they try to pass amnesty through, it will be time! Impeach ‘em, try ‘em, and hang the traitors who have ripped Americans off! We should impose a two term limit for a total of 8 years, and we definitely need to remove federal and USSC Justices life time appointments! That way there won’t be a chance for any of them to take us for a ride. We need to “cap” their salaries and benefits packages. Contrary to what they believe, they are no better than we are. In fact, I dare to say that most of us are better than they are. There are too many criminals in our government.


18 posted on 08/04/2009 11:23:16 PM PDT by NRA2BFree
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To: mukraker

1) There is no constitutional process to recall Congress critters.

2) This current congress will NOT impeach Zero, let alone convict him.

3) You are better off buying a lottery ticket.


19 posted on 08/04/2009 11:37:30 PM PDT by clee1 (We use 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 2 to pull a trigger. I'm lazy and I'm tired of smiling.)
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To: mukraker

Ya gotta wait for an election. Thems the rules!


20 posted on 08/04/2009 11:38:18 PM PDT by PureSolace (Trust in God)
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To: mrsixpack36

impeach them all


21 posted on 08/05/2009 12:02:16 AM PDT by television is just wrong (one bad ass mistake America!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
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To: mukraker

yes. But how 535 members of Congress and the Senate would be alot of work.

How would we create the target and the message?


22 posted on 08/05/2009 12:24:35 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: arrogantsob

U.S. Constitution
Article I...Section 6. The Senators and Representatives shall receive a compensation for their services, to be ascertained by law, and paid out of the treasury of the United States. They shall in all cases, except treason, felony and breach of the peace, be privileged from arrest during their attendance at the session of their respective Houses, and in going to and returning from the same; and for any speech or debate in either House, they shall not be questioned in any other place.

Note the phrase “except treason, felony and breach of the peace” and compare to recent events ranging from the suspected inauguration of a person not eligible to the Office of the President to financial fraud and intimidation of Citizens and their elected representatives.


23 posted on 08/05/2009 12:37:00 AM PDT by WhiskeyX
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To: Star Traveler
Yeah, I know. That's why the House needs new Members first.

It is possible to petition for recall of Members of Congress in 18 States. This is done through State Election Boards, by filing the requisite petitions for recall election.

There are 18 states that do allow for recall of Senators and Representatives:

Alaska
Arizona
California
Colorado
Georgia
Idaho
Kansas
Louisiana
Michigan
Minnesota
Montana
Nevada
New Jersey
North Dakota
Oregon
Rhode Island
Washington
Wisconsin

Each of these States has it's own requirements for filing recall petitions.

24 posted on 08/05/2009 12:39:57 AM PDT by mukraker
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To: mukraker

It might be wise to give it a little longer to brew.


25 posted on 08/05/2009 1:24:47 AM PDT by Bellflower (The end of this age is near but the beginning of the next glorious one is coming!)
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To: mukraker

Considering the “flag@whitehouse.gov” line-in-the-sand, yes.


26 posted on 08/05/2009 3:13:19 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (Your opinion is doubleplusungoodthinkful. You have been reported to flag@whitehouse.gov.)
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To: mrsixpack36

But there is no prohibition against the town hall attendees and any others signing a petition of NO CONFIDENCE against every member of Congress.


27 posted on 08/05/2009 3:48:15 AM PDT by leprechaun9
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To: leprechaun9

...except a simple no confidence petition/vote has no effect. These people need to be removed from office - now.


28 posted on 08/05/2009 8:38:22 AM PDT by mukraker
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To: arrogantsob
I guess the proper term would be “expelled”. Remembering Jim Traficant.
29 posted on 08/05/2009 9:18:14 AM PDT by mrsixpack36
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To: arrogantsob

I agree with your sentiments, and I’ll go and stand in the corner if I’m wrong, but as a poly sci grad, I do not recall any way you can “recall” a congresscritter. Yeah, I know about the Gray Davis thing. Being a Californian, I was right in the thick of it. I’m afraid we just have to suffer through these next few months and come out with all guns blazin for the next Concressional elections next year. We gotta hit them in the primaries. I’ll be there with my bod and my wallet as I suppose you will too.


30 posted on 08/05/2009 9:25:22 AM PDT by navyblue (<u>)
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To: navyblue
I also note the post by Mukraker where he/she says there are 18 states, including my own that do allow for a recall of congessmen. I'll check that out and if it's correct I'm gonna ask for my money back for my Parties and elections class that I took. But what can I say? I went to a liberal State school.
31 posted on 08/05/2009 9:32:57 AM PDT by navyblue (<u>)
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I was looking down that list of states you gave, and being from Oregon, too (in Oklahoma now, though) I know about the initiatives on the ballots there. Yeah, the citizens can put a lot of stuff on the ballot. You’re right, and especially so in Oregon.

But, I kinda doubt you’re going to get that kind of result in Oregon, though... LOL...

I love Oregon for the country and scenery and it’s actually not a bad place to live. And for the most part, on an individual level, with people there, it’s a “live and let live state” where one-to-one people pretty much do leave you alone. While the “body politic” may be different, the actual people and living and walking around and neighbors and just socializing, it’s fine.

But, that’s not what we’re talking about with this kind of initiative on the ballot. And in Oregon, it would never fly...

I think you’re going to run into that in many different places, even in some relatively conservative areas, because getting someone impeached or removed from office doesn’t just take a slim majority, but in those kinds of cases, it really does take an “overwhelming majority” and it can be quite divisive. So, in consideration of that, I don’t think it can “fly” in too many places. I think the only way is through the ballot box and even that is looking pretty bad these days, in terms of getting rid of liberals and leftists. And that’s because of the thinking of the mass of people in the country nowadays. I think we’ve got the kind of government that a lot of people vote in themselves.

That doesn’t mean it’s my kind of government, but people in general are voting these politicians in office.


32 posted on 08/05/2009 10:18:53 AM PDT by Star Traveler (The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is a Zionist and Jerusalem is the apple of His eye.)
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To: Star Traveler
Oh, I don't think the idea has a snowball's chance in Iraq. But I think just getting people talking about the possibility, or the idea that Members of Congress might be recalled over their recent votes to bankrupt America, just might have the effect of making them put on the brakes just a little.

America does get the government we deserve. It just hurts to see so many of my fellow Citizens paying so much attention to American Idol, yet virtually ignoring the fact that the people they've put in charge of governing our Republic are selling us all down the river.

33 posted on 08/05/2009 5:41:22 PM PDT by mukraker
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To: navyblue

Take heart. It took me about 8 years to unlearn what I was taught during 3 years as a PoliSci major at UW schools.


34 posted on 08/05/2009 5:45:59 PM PDT by mukraker
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"Take heart. It took me about 8 years to unlearn what I was taught during 3 years as a PoliSci major at UW schools."

Damn! Didn't they tell ya man? Ya gotta to into the 4th year before they tell ya everything you've learned up to this point is BS. Jus kiddin Muk, muck on!

35 posted on 08/06/2009 12:38:15 PM PDT by navyblue (<u>)
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To: mrsixpack36

Right and each body has sole control of the expulsion process. Even an indictment in a court of law for a felony does not automatically remove a Congressman.


36 posted on 08/06/2009 10:41:22 PM PDT by arrogantsob
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To: mukraker

Recall petitions have no power over the Congress. Even if every voter in a state signed one it would not remove a Congressman from Congress. Only the HOuse has the power to remove one of its members and only the Senate can remove a sitting Senator.

Once an election has been certified it is out of a state’s hands.

Why don’t you read the Constitution regarding the removal oa a legislator? It is quite clear.


37 posted on 08/06/2009 10:50:10 PM PDT by arrogantsob
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To: navyblue

It may be correct but it is irrelevant to what happens in Congress. Congress can constitutionally take such “petitions” and replace the toilet tissue in the bathrooms with them. This is a complete sideshow demonstrating ignorance of the Constitution.


38 posted on 08/06/2009 10:52:39 PM PDT by arrogantsob
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To: mukraker

Members of Congress are not concerned with this phoney blustering of “recall”. They know they cannot be recalled by any state or petitions. Why are you pushing this unconstitutional silliness? Why make “conservatives” look like idiots who do not even know what the constitutional method of removal is?

Congressmen have run elections and been elected FROM JAIL.


39 posted on 08/06/2009 10:56:47 PM PDT by arrogantsob
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To: arrogantsob
I am very familar with the Constitution.

Article I, section 5 does state:

"Each House shall be the judge of the elections, returns and qualifications of its own members..."
"Each House may determine the rules of its proceedings, punish its members for disorderly behavior, and, with the concurrence of two thirds, expel a member."

However, Article I, section 4 says "The times, places and manner of holding elections for Senators and Representatives, shall be prescribed in each state by the legislature thereof"

This gives States the power to hold recall elections. 18 States currently allow the practice.

40 posted on 08/10/2009 2:19:11 PM PDT by mukraker
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To: arrogantsob

A recall petition is the formal process by which Members of Congress can be subjected to a recall election, at least here in Wisconsin. It gets filed with the state Elections Board. If a sufficient number of voters sign such a petition, a new election is ordered.


41 posted on 08/10/2009 2:22:20 PM PDT by mukraker
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To: arrogantsob

A recall petition is the formal process by which Members of Congress can be subjected to a recall election, at least here in Wisconsin. It gets filed with the state Elections Board. If a sufficient number of voters sign such a petition, a new election is ordered.


42 posted on 08/10/2009 2:24:02 PM PDT by mukraker
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No action Wisconsin can take outside of the ordinary election to remove a sitting member of Congress. Wisconsin cannot call any election, other than filling a suddenly vacant seat, which can affect Congressmen. It is simply unconstitutional. Show me ANY provision in the Constitution of the United States which mentions any ability of a state to do such a thing.

This is a totally bogus claim.

At best Wisconsin could register some sort of protest with the Congress but there is nothing requiring it to act on it in any way.

There may be such a means of recalling a Wisconsin legislator but not a federal one.


43 posted on 08/10/2009 8:31:19 PM PDT by arrogantsob
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To: mukraker

That proviso only relates to ordinary elections and special elections to fill a vacant seat. It does not authorize any recall any more than it does a recall of a president. This is unconstitional nonsense.


44 posted on 08/10/2009 8:33:59 PM PDT by arrogantsob
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To: navyblue

Even the dumbest Cow College in the country knows there is no recall of federal elected officials.

Certainly Congress can be petitioned to expell members but there is no authority over a federal legislator outside the Constitutionally prescribed methods.

Executive and Jucicial can be impeached and convicted and Legistative can be expelled by the body concerned.


45 posted on 08/10/2009 8:38:16 PM PDT by arrogantsob
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To: mrsixpack36

Right and Adam Clayton Powell but those actions were through the constitution and the House took them.


46 posted on 08/10/2009 8:39:20 PM PDT by arrogantsob
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To: mukraker
Yes.

My congressman Jo Bonner and four other Republican congressmen and their families just returned from a two week around the world vacation (fact finding) at taxpayer expense.

Shit-can all of'em!!

47 posted on 08/10/2009 8:42:50 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam

Bonner is such a rubber stamp guy...he’s a joke...but it could be worse.


48 posted on 08/10/2009 8:56:05 PM PDT by chasio649 ( Palin 2012...'nuff said!)
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To: arrogantsob
“Even the dumbest Cow College in the country knows there is no recall of federal elected officials.”

And you send this to me, why? When I made the comment that you could impeach congressmen every two years, it was said in sarcasm. Surely you understand that I was referring to the election system. Yes, even poly sci grads from my "dumb Cow College" understand that.

49 posted on 08/10/2009 9:02:34 PM PDT by navyblue (<u>)
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To: chasio649
"Bonner is such a rubber stamp guy...he’s a joke...but it could be worse."

I just sent him an email telling him he's lost my vote, forever. He is having a townhall meeting here on the 17th...I'll be there.

Dick Coffee is who we need.

50 posted on 08/10/2009 9:05:27 PM PDT by blam
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