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Dear Freepers, Oppose Obama on the issues, not his alleged legitimacy (he really is legit)
Aug 5, 2009

Posted on 08/05/2009 6:40:35 AM PDT by Edward Watson

In my personal opinion, Obama is a disaster for America. I believe future historians will describe this period as the OBAMA CATASTROPHE - the time when America collectively lost its mind and voted for a man and a group of leftists who quickly destroyed the nation in favor of socialism and income redistribution.

However, if people want to save the American nation and way of life - the best and most benevolent society in human history; opposition must be passionate and RATIONAL. The entire legitimacy or birther issue is indeed passionate but definitely not rational.

It has been frustrating to see my fellow-Freepers waste so much time and effort arguing that Obama isn't a legitimate president. He is and no amount of wishful thinking to the contrary will change that fact.

Salon has a great article addressing all the issues of the matter (see sourced website above).

What has become of us? I know some conservatives tend to lean towards mindless conspiracy theories but this is getting ridiculous.

Free Republic is a forum where conservative issues are discussed, hopefully rationally but always passionately. I remember when we all laughed at the conspiracy theories emanating from the liberals and leftists (i.e., 9-11 was an inside job) and now the same type of lunacy has infected this forum.

Time to stop the birther distraction and focus on the real issue of saving the Republic.


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1 posted on 08/05/2009 6:40:35 AM PDT by Edward Watson
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To: Edward Watson

I agree.


2 posted on 08/05/2009 6:43:24 AM PDT by Perdogg (Sarah Palin-Jim DeMint 2012 - Liz Cheney for Sec of State - Duncan Hunter SecDef)
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To: Edward Watson

So it is easier to convince the freepers of their errors by
posting on another site?


3 posted on 08/05/2009 6:44:10 AM PDT by pennboricua
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To: Perdogg

I’m capable of doing both. It’s called multi-tasking.


4 posted on 08/05/2009 6:44:24 AM PDT by Marty
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To: Perdogg

Yikes! Hope you’re wearing your asbestos suit today. You, my friend, though you’re doing nothing but speaking the truth, are about to get flamed.


5 posted on 08/05/2009 6:44:56 AM PDT by Disgruntled_Voter
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To: Edward Watson
Time to stop the birther distraction and focus on the real issue of saving the Republic.

Go away. Obamabot.

6 posted on 08/05/2009 6:44:57 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (I am Legend)
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To: Edward Watson

MINDLESS conspiracy theory?

He HAS NOT produced the documentation requisite for ascension to the Presidency of the United States of America and he has CONTINUOUSLY fought to make sure they aren’t released. WHY? Why won’t he just silence everyone and release his long form birth certificate?


7 posted on 08/05/2009 6:45:18 AM PDT by rarestia ("One man with a gun can control 100 without one." - Lenin / MOLWN LABE!)
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To: Edward Watson
MY LETTER TO OBAMA AND THE WHITEHOUE REGARDING FREE SPEECH

BTW, regarding the birth issue...if it is so obvious, if he is so liegtimitae, then simply supply the long form birth certificte. I can.

This arguement that we should worry how the libs or the MSM think we look over it is, IMHO, a spineless arguement. It's not racist, irrational, or trivial to expect that a constitutional requirement be met and verified.

If you think it is trivial or irrational, talk to Major Sefan Cook, who refused orders based on this issue to deploy to Afghanistan...and then filed suite against Obama over his legitimacy. Rather than fight this in court, the Obama administration rescinded the Major's orders....why?

8 posted on 08/05/2009 6:45:39 AM PDT by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free...never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: Edward Watson

Agreed...there are so many other tangible issues to be fighting Obama on. Not to mention the mission of educating and changing people’s minds in preparation for the 2010 and 2012 elections.


9 posted on 08/05/2009 6:45:50 AM PDT by NMEwithin
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To: Edward Watson

Ditto

If there was anything to this, Hillary would have nailed him before he even ran.

You are playing into his hands, instead of focusing on this evil health bill we are off on this silly distraction


10 posted on 08/05/2009 6:46:21 AM PDT by qam1 (There's been a huge party. All plates and the bottles are empty, all that's left is the bill to pay)
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To: Edward Watson
It has been frustrating to see my fellow-Freepers waste so much time and effort arguing that Obama isn't a legitimate president

Are you being obtuse? The asshat hasnt been vetted.

You need to show your long form for a passport, for starters. Where's his? Where's his college transcripts, who ghost wrote his autobigraphies, how did he get into Harvard, who paid for his college? Who the eff is this guy?

11 posted on 08/05/2009 6:46:49 AM PDT by Nonstatist
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To: Edward Watson

Why ws this posted in news? This is your opinion...put this where it belongs.


12 posted on 08/05/2009 6:46:54 AM PDT by Fawn (Rush Limbaugh---> America's pinata)
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To: rarestia

Your betters have decided what you should think! Now think that and ignore those other *bad* thoughts about accountability and transparency and one law for all.


13 posted on 08/05/2009 6:47:59 AM PDT by bvw
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To: Edward Watson

Agreed.


14 posted on 08/05/2009 6:48:15 AM PDT by reagan_fanatic (Impeach the sumbeech)
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To: Edward Watson

FReepers are capable of multi-tasking.

Here’s a thought, Mr.Koppelman, why don’t you do some investigative journalism and uncover all of 0’s missing records?


15 posted on 08/05/2009 6:48:41 AM PDT by maggief
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To: Edward Watson

I can walk and chew gum at the same time.


16 posted on 08/05/2009 6:48:50 AM PDT by AlexW (Now in the Philippines . Happy not to be back in the USA for now.)
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To: Edward Watson; Admin Moderator; Sidebar Moderator; Jim Robinson; Jim Thompson
Why are you posting a vanity and disguising it as an article from Salon?
17 posted on 08/05/2009 6:48:51 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: Edward Watson

LOL, well I’m convinced.


18 posted on 08/05/2009 6:49:00 AM PDT by nufsed (Release the birth certificate, passport, and school records.)
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To: Edward Watson

Attorney Phil Berg publicly state Obama/Soetoro was born in Mombasa, Kenya in October of 2008.

He was ignored.

Attorney Orly Taitz published a photograph of baby Obama’s birth registration as being born in Mombasa, Kenya in August of 2009.

She was ridiculed.

Either the US Constitution is important to you or it is not.


19 posted on 08/05/2009 6:49:06 AM PDT by SvenMagnussen (Clever tagline can only be seen on the other internet.)
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To: bvw

I have a feeling that folks are going to seriously be saying exactly that in the near future. Groupthink is growing in our government. Hopefully the Proletariat doesn’t drink the Kool-Aid!


20 posted on 08/05/2009 6:49:07 AM PDT by rarestia ("One man with a gun can control 100 without one." - Lenin / MOLWN LABE!)
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To: Edward Watson

I also agree.


21 posted on 08/05/2009 6:49:22 AM PDT by KansasGirl ( Obama's heroes have always been left-wing radicals.)
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To: Edward Watson

The author of this piece needs to learn how to reflect on what he’s read.


22 posted on 08/05/2009 6:49:33 AM PDT by xzins (Chaplain Says: Jesus befriends all who ask Him for help.)
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To: Edward Watson

Amen. The birth certificate is nothing more than a dangling carrot.


23 posted on 08/05/2009 6:50:48 AM PDT by dbwz (DISSENT IS PATRIOTIC)
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To: Edward Watson
WRONG!!!

There is NOTHING LEGIT about FASCIST Obama!!!

24 posted on 08/05/2009 6:51:24 AM PDT by Yosemitest (It's simple, fight or die.)
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To: Edward Watson
Dear Freepers, Oppose Obama on the issues, not his alleged legitimacy (he really is legit)

Why not multi task?

25 posted on 08/05/2009 6:51:46 AM PDT by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannolis. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: Edward Watson

Dear Alex,

Please learn how to multitask.

MortMan


26 posted on 08/05/2009 6:52:21 AM PDT by MortMan (Stubbing one's toes is a valid (if painful) way of locating furniture in the dark.)
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To: Marty

I agree, but what happens if he whips it out and gee we have wasted all this time on nothing, you have got to hand to the DEMS they know how to play dirty pool


27 posted on 08/05/2009 6:52:31 AM PDT by mel
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To: qam1
You are playing into his hands, instead of focusing on this evil health bill we are off on this silly distraction.

Not true. Obama created the 'Beer Summit' as a silly distraction to the evil health bill.

But Certifigate is one of the most effective weapons we have in distracting Obama from carrying out his Socialized health care debacle.

We need to be shouting this every day:

SHOW US THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE!!!

28 posted on 08/05/2009 6:52:47 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (I am Legend)
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To: Edward Watson

I think there’s a good chance he wasn’t born in the USA, but unless if someone has film of him being born in some straw hut, there’s no way in hell we’re going to prove anything.

Many independents are starting to see the truth about Obama’s policies. I’m afraid this birth certificate thing will be a red flag freepers keep charging at with no result.


29 posted on 08/05/2009 6:53:08 AM PDT by MNDude (The Republican Congress Economy--1995-2007)
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To: Edward Watson

True or not it’s causing many other questions to be asked about Barry and his background. A background that was never properly vetted. A background totally ignored by the MSM so their ONE could get elected.

How could they not question the meteoric rise of a socialist, community organiser to President in 10 years? One that even today continues to surround himself with terrorists, communists and Black revolutionaries? A man that attended a church that preached racism? A man who couldn’t even find a cabinet without hitting tax cheats over and over and over again.

No, I think the “birthers” ( and when are we going to start calling the global warming kooks “warmers”?) are doing the job that should have been done several years ago. Force Barry to come clean.


30 posted on 08/05/2009 6:54:04 AM PDT by VeniVidiVici (ABC-AP-MSNBC-All Obama, All the time.)
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To: Edward Watson

Leave no stone unturned

I don’t remember so many bloggers and msm types scolding lefties when they called GWBush a Nazi for years.

I think I’ll keep pushing adherence to the Constitution, thank you very much. If the fedgov wants to get rid of article 2... Then we can get rid of amendment 16


31 posted on 08/05/2009 6:54:17 AM PDT by sten
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To: Edward Watson

Never! Assymetrical warfare, my FRiend. We have enough resources to attack him on all fronts. By the time he leaves office I want him broken down, crying, sniveling, curled into the fetal position in a dark corner, babbling incoherently and rueing the day he ever thought about shanghi-ing the office of the President for the express purpose of turning this great nation into just another 3rd world craphole that can easily be manipulated and controlled by the real globalist powers behind the socialist, godless curtains of evil. You and every God-fearing conservative FReeper should want the same, and we can do it if we all pick an issue and start hammering on the Kenyan imposter and his commie lackies unmercilessly .


32 posted on 08/05/2009 6:54:19 AM PDT by OB1kNOb (CITIZENS OF LIBERTY! RISE UP AND DEFEAT THE EVIL BEAST, OBAMUNISM!)
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To: Edward Watson

(he really is legit)

Maybe, maybe not but you are right about opposing him on the issues. I do not know if he is a natural born citizen or not and anyone stating that he definately is without seeing the long form birth certificate is just as kooky as those claiming that he is not. BECAUSE I DO NOT KNOW, I find the money and effort spent by team Obama fighting this to be suspicious. The result? I want to see the long form.


33 posted on 08/05/2009 6:55:21 AM PDT by Grunthor (Obama has delusions of adequacy.)
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To: mel
I agree, but what happens if he whips it out and gee we have wasted all this time on nothing, you have got to hand to the DEMS they know how to play dirty pool.

And what if he doesn't? Even if he does show his vault certificate, we can continue to object to him on other grounds. Like I said, I'm capable of multi-tasking.
34 posted on 08/05/2009 6:55:55 AM PDT by Marty
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To: Marty
Yes you can. So I can my friend. It has nothing to do with us. I am a PE. I can design 69-kV substations and site Shakespeare and Star Trek, and tell you who won all Super Bowls.

The issue is, can you effectively explain this issue to people who vote?

I am going to give an example to illustrate this. Please ponder this. Did you know a survey last fall one week before the election of the voters, 50% of the voters believed the GOP still ran Congress? Do you think these people are able understand the constitutional requirement and why we have it? I am not saying don't pursue it, all I am saying don't this is going to be some magic bullet against 0bama.

35 posted on 08/05/2009 6:56:31 AM PDT by Perdogg (Sarah Palin-Jim DeMint 2012 - Liz Cheney for Sec of State - Duncan Hunter SecDef)
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To: Perdogg

The Constitution be damned. Given the extreme emotional reaction by the other side to a simple request that Obama provide the primary document to ensure compliance with the Constitution on his eligibility to be President, something he has been actively blocking ever since he started campaigning for the office, I would not let go of this issue. Beyond the politics involved, this is really about us being a nation of laws, which apply to everyone.


36 posted on 08/05/2009 6:56:33 AM PDT by kabar
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To: Edward Watson
IN OTHER WORDS...compromise, pick an issue, if he said all Americans want new cars to meet “our standards”...it would be a good thing.
...or the Constitution needs to be revamped to “our liking”
...or just except Czars as a new form of government.
...or just except government take overs as the best way to
“control” the economy.

Oh I see, we're suppose to pick one, compromise, yeah yeah, now I see it.

37 posted on 08/05/2009 6:57:22 AM PDT by Doogle (USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: Jeff Head

“Major Sefan Cook, who refused orders based on this issue to deploy to Afghanistan...and then filed suite against Obama over his legitimacy. Rather than fight this in court, the Obama administration rescinded the Major’s orders....why? “

To me, this is “best evidence” that Obama is a fraud. There is no earthly reason for Obama to sweep this under the carpet.


38 posted on 08/05/2009 6:57:57 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Pray for, and support our troops(heroes) !! And vote out the RINO's!!)
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To: Edward Watson
Why can't people get it through their heads that most politics and criminal acts are a conspiracy?

Just because you aren't smart enough to connect the dots and make an educated decision based on facts and investigation doesn't make the pursuit of this information lunacy. No one knows what the long copy says but a few people.

That said...yes, this is a distraction.

39 posted on 08/05/2009 6:58:38 AM PDT by Earthdweller (Harvard won the election again...so what's the problem.......?)
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To: Nonstatist
You need to show your long form for a passport, for starters.

That is not correct. My son, daughter and wife applied for passports in the last two years and obtained them with the short form. Agree, that we need to see O's long form.

40 posted on 08/05/2009 6:58:58 AM PDT by BulletBobCo
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To: Edward Watson

I agree with you...but the tin-hatters here are going to flame you...big time.


41 posted on 08/05/2009 6:59:04 AM PDT by Sudetenland (Without God there is no freedom, for what rights man can give, he can take away.)
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To: Edward Watson
You are correct. If we can weaken P-BO by focusing on his Socialist, Saul Alinsky, Cloward-Piven plan of destruction then and only then will documentation be forthcoming. Until then we are just pathetic gadflies.

Begin the bandwidth-wasting rants.....Now!

42 posted on 08/05/2009 7:01:05 AM PDT by Aevery_Freeman (Our Last Best Hope: REPEAL THE 16th AMENDMENT!)
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To: Edward Watson
Obama is NOT legit.

He won't allow his college record, medical records or birth certificate to be seen. Instead ALL are off limits and sealed. Now why is that? It's because he is NOT legit. THAT is an ISSUE that was never resolved. It's still on the table.

It's the same old thing ... like the gay argument .. you're supposed to believe that is perfectly normal - even though it has been shown people are NOT born that way and there is NO “gay gene”. According to liberals you're supposed to IGNORE THAT TOO and give them the same rights as NORMAL heterosexuals.

You have to address the ROOT problem in both situations. “Gays” are NOT normal and don't deserve elevated rights. Obama is NOT a U.S. citizen. Obama is a fraud! He has a LEGAL obligation to PROVE he is who he says he is. We can't keep glossing over that. Or should our requirements for President NOT MATTER? Like not enforcing our EXISITING IMMIGRATION LAWS? Yes, it is still ILLEGAL for ILLEGALS to be here. Ir’s hard to believe but the laws are on the books and we do NOT enforse our ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION LAWS!

How long will we keep winking at our own laws designed to protect us from people like OBAMA? HOW DAM LONG will this go on? Obama is a LYING FRAUD? Get him the hell out of the position. Someone with some brass ones needs to STEP UP. We have CRIMINALS yes CRIMINALS running our country. They are just like Obama - they don't pay their taxes and they strong arm people into submission. THIS is what happens when LAWS and SHAME aren't present. These people are EVIL. According to their followers, those against health care are a figment of your imagination and those that oppose it are “Nazis”.

Wake up shepple. Enforce out laws and we won't have CRIMINALS running our government and making us a laughing stock of the world. I am stunned at the pscho babble this administration comes out with to make YOU feel like you are INSANE for disagreeing with them - it's just the opposite - THEY ARE EVIL.

43 posted on 08/05/2009 8:28:01 AM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: Edward Watson
It has been frustrating to see my fellow-Freepers waste so much time and effort arguing that Obama isn't a legitimate president. He is and no amount of wishful thinking to the contrary will change that fact.

Oh yeah? Prove it!

44 posted on 08/05/2009 8:28:01 AM PDT by Roccus (The Capitol, the White House, the Court House...........America's Axis of Evil)
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To: mel
but what happens if he whips it out and gee we have wasted all this time on nothing

No, we will have found out the truth and perhaps set up a situation in which this cannot happen again. Yes, we will suffer some taunts for awhile but nothing serious IMO.


45 posted on 08/05/2009 8:28:01 AM PDT by paulycy (Screw the RACErs.)
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To: kabar

I am not disagreeing with that. The problem is the people who ran against 0 didn’t make it an issue.


46 posted on 08/05/2009 8:35:19 AM PDT by Perdogg (Sarah Palin-Jim DeMint 2012 - Liz Cheney for Sec of State - Duncan Hunter SecDef)
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To: Responsibility2nd
Go away. Obamabot.

"Obamabot" has four and a half years on you.

47 posted on 08/05/2009 8:38:33 AM PDT by libravoter (Live from the People's Republic of Cambridge)
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To: Edward Watson
There is no conspiracy.

Focusing on the issues and requiring transparency are not mutually exclusive.

Not asking questions would be irrational.

Not upholding the Constitution would be irrational.

Giving in to fear and intimidation would be rational.

Relying on a Salon set of talking points would be irrational.

Not holding politicians accountable would be irrational.

48 posted on 08/05/2009 8:39:45 AM PDT by FTJM
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To: Edward Watson; xzins; Dr. Eckleburg; Jim Robinson; All
What has become of us? I know some conservatives tend to lean towards mindless conspiracy theories but this is getting ridiculous. Free Republic is a forum where conservative issues are discussed, hopefully rationally but always passionately. I remember when we all laughed at the conspiracy theories emanating from the liberals and leftists (i.e., 9-11 was an inside job) and now the same type of lunacy has infected this forum. Time to stop the birther distraction and focus on the real issue of saving the Republic.

Us? The same? Distraction? Real Issue?

I must say Edward Watson that you are a hypocrite of the first order.

You complain and complain that the BC issue is a "distraction" and that we should just "shut up" about it, and yet I find you posting hundreds and hundreds of posts on these threads and even starting your own threads to discuss this issue over and over and over and over and over again and again and again and again.

It is clear to me that if anyone is obsessed about this issue, it is YOU.

If you think it is a distraction, then get the hell off these threads so that they won't take up so much bandwidth.

If you don't think this issue is worthy of discussion, then quit discussing it!

IOW, practice what you preach.

49 posted on 08/05/2009 8:39:49 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: Edward Watson

The overall issue to consider is will the mass of conservative activists be distracted by many problems with the Obama Presidency and programs being ardently raised in a repeated manner or will the Obama administration be distracted in dealing with a large number of challenges?

That is what you are saying — focus on the few issues that you consider most important.

However I believe the marxists are prepared and not only prepared but in control of the media, the educational system and many organization that should be the public’s tools to root out his destruction of the nation and that they must be overwhelmed to be defeated.

In the computer age, we call it buffer overload. The system the leftists have in place can handle the easy stuff such as oposition to “every person’s RIGHT to healthcare” but they can’t handle the unexpected challenge.

Let the birthers be. Its not what my talents at rhetoric are best suited for, but I will fight those battles without regard for action on my flank.


50 posted on 08/05/2009 8:44:20 AM PDT by KC Burke (...but He has made the trains run on time.)
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