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A Very Revealing Poll of Jewish Democrats
The Provocateur ^ | 08/10/2009 | Mike Volpe

Posted on 08/10/2009 10:28:15 AM PDT by fiscon1

Dick Morris cites a poll of Jewish Democrats and their views of Obama's policies towards Israel. Here is a summary. Jewish Democrats reject nearly in wholesale every specific policy that Obama has produced vis a vis Israel. They reject his tough policies on settlements. They reject his policy toward Iran. They reject his view that a Palestinian state is key for peace. In fact, by a 52-20 margin Jewish Democrats believe that.

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TOPICS: Government
KEYWORDS: israel; jews; middleeast; obama
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1 posted on 08/10/2009 10:28:16 AM PDT by fiscon1
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To: fiscon1

The bloom is off the Socialist Rose!


2 posted on 08/10/2009 10:29:50 AM PDT by ExTexasRedhead
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To: fiscon1

Yet they will continue to vote Democrat. I don’t feel sorry for them.


3 posted on 08/10/2009 10:30:53 AM PDT by TXBlair (The future Mrs. Lazamataz! Fear not, Laz, I won't try to change you. I vow only to fuel your crazy.)
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To: ExTexasRedhead

Not at all. 92% of those asked like his socialist policies. They just disagree on Israel, although (stooopid) it was apparent already during the campaign.


4 posted on 08/10/2009 10:32:02 AM PDT by SolidWood (Sarah Palin: "Only dead fish go with the flow!")
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To: fiscon1

At the end of the day, they will continue to pull the lever next to the (D).

That it would ever be different is a persistant fantasy of the GOP. We should give it up. Do the right thing with regards to our steadfast ally, Israel, because it is the right thing to do. Just don’t expect any thanks.


5 posted on 08/10/2009 10:32:38 AM PDT by bondjamesbond (Because, deep in my heart, I do believe, that we shall overcome some day.)
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To: fiscon1

The majority of Jews voted for him, now they see what he is. My two aunt and uncle voted for Obama, in fact, after the election, my aunt called here gloating “Obama won” and she was screaming. My Mom told her to “go to hell” they are self hating Jews, any Jew that voted for this guy thinking he was gonna be Pro Israel is an idiot. Everyone knew that he stood for the muslim world, he said so in his damn book. Now they regret it, too little too late, we are all suffering due to their stupidity


6 posted on 08/10/2009 10:33:13 AM PDT by Sarah Barracuda
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To: fiscon1

“A Very Revealing Poll of Jewish Democrats”

How revealing can it be when the results are the same?;

Jewish Democrats will always vote Liberal Democrat no matter what.

IMHO


7 posted on 08/10/2009 10:34:57 AM PDT by ripley
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To: fiscon1

They got what they voted for.


8 posted on 08/10/2009 10:35:03 AM PDT by pallis
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To: fiscon1

They only have THEMSELVES to blame for the mess Israel and the rest of us are in...


9 posted on 08/10/2009 10:41:34 AM PDT by matginzac
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To: fiscon1

Morris should do a poll of jewish voters on the topic of health care.


10 posted on 08/10/2009 10:45:54 AM PDT by Carley (OBAMA IS A MALEVOLENT FORCE IN THE WORLD)
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To: ripley
“A Very Revealing Poll of Jewish Democrats”
How revealing can it be when the results are the same?;
Jewish Democrats will always vote Liberal Democrat no matter what.

You're exactly right!!! So, dumb ass liberal Jewish voters, how is that 0bambi choice working out for you? Stupid idiots! Christian conservative evangelicals are the best friend that Israel has in this country, and unfortunately the liberal Jewish voters are too stupid to realize that!

11 posted on 08/10/2009 10:49:52 AM PDT by rcrngroup
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To: fiscon1; All

All of my Jewish friends voted for Obama and I have yet to see any buyer’s remorse from them. I don’t know what it will take for them to change their minds.


12 posted on 08/10/2009 10:53:18 AM PDT by eekitsagreek (Give me a Stanley Cup (or Amy Grant or Sarah Palin) under my Christmas tree PLEASE!)
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To: fiscon1

It would be interesting to know the percentage of Jewish voters who helped put that other National Socialist in power.


13 posted on 08/10/2009 10:56:10 AM PDT by 109ACS (Humpty Dumpty Was Pushed!)
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To: SolidWood

Yes, and for most of them socialism is more dear to their hearts than Israel.


14 posted on 08/10/2009 10:57:20 AM PDT by Truthsearcher
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To: TXBlair

Yep, they got the National Socialist they voted for. How could they be surprised about Obama’s positions toward Israel? The reason must be that they hate conservatism even more so.


15 posted on 08/10/2009 10:58:31 AM PDT by discipler (How's that 'hope and change' working for 'ya? - RL)
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To: ripley

revealing in the “the more things change the more they stay the same sort of a way”?


16 posted on 08/10/2009 11:05:50 AM PDT by fiscon1
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To: SolidWood
92% of those asked like his socialist policies.

And, sadly, many of those are willing to sacrifice Israel to get them.

17 posted on 08/10/2009 11:06:31 AM PDT by 5thGenTexan
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To: fiscon1

Muslims outnumber Jews in the USA

They ought to look at what is happening in Europe if they want a glimpse of the future

My buddy is a conservative ( political ) Jew and stays up nights worrying about his kids future


18 posted on 08/10/2009 11:08:05 AM PDT by uncbob
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To: fiscon1

And they will all line up to vote Democrat in November of 2010 on the way to the queue for showers.


19 posted on 08/10/2009 11:10:38 AM PDT by Redleg Duke ("Don't fire unless fired upon, but it they mean to have a war, let it begin here." J Parker, 1775)
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To: fiscon1
Beyond this, 92% of all Jewish Democrats approve of the job Obama is doing overall. Yet, here is how Morris concludes the sum total of this survey.

Since Obama only got 77% of the Jewish vote --I wonder why such a high %
20 posted on 08/10/2009 11:10:54 AM PDT by uncbob
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To: uncbob
Since Obama only got 77% of the Jewish vote --I wonder why such a high %

Maybe because not few Jews in the GOP are RINOs ala Coleman.

21 posted on 08/10/2009 11:14:35 AM PDT by SolidWood (Sarah Palin: "Only dead fish go with the flow!")
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To: discipler

Agree with the general tenor of your followup but calling
BHO a “National Socialist” isn’t quite accurated. National
Socialists were a derivative of the older Communist Socialists.
Haven’t quite gotten the right term for BHO: he’s a post
national Socialist, using internal divisive group strife
and imported non-citizens, I fear. See the recent thread
here on his half sisters praise of global citizenship.


22 posted on 08/10/2009 11:16:13 AM PDT by cycjec
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To: fiscon1
Just as Sarah Palin is the physical embodiment of the values held dear by conservative evangelicals, so Barack Obama is the figure of perfection for secular Jews.

To abandon Obama, secular Jews must abandon the belief structure which marks their culture. Perhaps more than any other ethnic group, American secular Jews have provided the intellectual framework which defines modern liberalism and the Democratic Party. Barack Obama personifies the very culmination of policies which Jews have advocated for generations.

There are many historic influences which have flowed together to create the American Jewish experience including pogroms in Russia, discrimination in America, diaspora, ghetto experience, a biblical injunction to leave the world better, a long tradition of socialism, and last but by no means least, an intellectual honesty, some might say a tendentiousness, in the rabbinical tradition which encourages disputation. In truth, one must acknowledge that there is also a degree of anti-evangelical bigotry which shapes the Jewish reaction to people like Sarah Palin. That same collection of influences makes it inevitable that such people would regard Barack Obama the very embodiment of their values.


23 posted on 08/10/2009 11:16:22 AM PDT by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: fiscon1

Yet they voted for him even when told he would do exactly what he is doing. I always wondered why 13 million willingly participated in their own deaths in WWII. I’m getting the picture.


24 posted on 08/10/2009 11:25:54 AM PDT by pfflier
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To: fiscon1

Yet they voted for him even when told he would do exactly what he is doing. I always wondered why 13 million willingly participated in their own deaths in WWII. I’m getting the picture.


25 posted on 08/10/2009 11:25:54 AM PDT by pfflier
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To: ripley
A book I re-read recently and will re-read soon: George Clare's Last Waltz in Vienna His memoirs of his Jewish family in Austria, c. 1838 - 1938. One quote will have to suffice: We were, of course, Social Democrat. What other party could a Jew vote for? The Social Democrats were at least officialy not anti-Semitic. Many of their leaders were Jews. Their conscious motives were absolutely their subconscious ones guilt and fear. The guilt and fear [was] the same that motivates so many middle class people today, who, ashamed of their inherited educational and social privileges turn to progressive causes so long as they can form an elite of the Left and enjoy more equality than others. Their fear was of the anti-Semitic mob. A party that stood first and foremost for equality obviously could not allow inequality between Austrians who were Jews and those who were not Hence every Social Democrat sensed a protective wall of non-Jewish Social Democrats around him. We all know how well *that* turned out. I should note that there's no excuse in America for calling Republicans or conservatives anti-Semites.
26 posted on 08/10/2009 11:26:11 AM PDT by cycjec
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To: ExTexasRedhead

Liberal Jewish Americans may not support Obama’s Israel policy - somewhat - but, in the majority, they love his culture of death socialist proposal.

They don’t mind eldery and handicapped Americans being targeted for “health care savings.” They know centralized denial of care will kill off innocent people. They don’t mind the eldery living on a fixed income having their heating costs doubled with cap and trade (meaning a lot of them will freeze) in the name of global warming.

Both the domestic death policy and the Middle East death policy, go hand in hand. Jewish Liberals are like all other liberals, including Christian and Catholic ones.


27 posted on 08/10/2009 11:41:20 AM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: fiscon1
In my opinion, many American Jews have intractable problems with conservatism for these reasons:

(1)They fear forced religious assimilation or proselytization by the government, which is perceived to be a problem for Jews gong back for centuries (Spanish inquisition, diaspora, etc). Thus, perhaps irrationally, they fear any attempt by religious conservatives to "impose" what they perceive to be religion-based social views through the political system (such as anti-abortion views). I don't know for sure, but would suspect that Jews actually have fewer abortions per capita than some other groups. To liberal Jews, it is the principle--no religion-based governmental mandates--that counts more than the underlying substance.

(2)Many American Jews of Eastern European descent are only a few generations removed from family members that were active socialists or communists (in the period 1900-1940), and were raised from birth on ideals of "social justice" drawn from those movements. In some ways, the lofty ideals of socialism became a substitute religion for those who did not formally practice their Jewish faith. Many of these Jews overlook the terrible practical results of socialism and communism for Jews and the general populace the Soviet Union and elsewhere because they did not experience that in the US, so reality has not tempered their ideals. <3> Jews have been active members or supporters of the civil rights movement since its inception, believing that when racial discrimination is eliminated by the government, society also will not tolerate religious discrimination. They may be very wrong about this connection, unfortunately.

Until Jews become willing to reassess these three deeply-seated beliefs, I believe that conservatives will have tough going in the American Jewish community.

28 posted on 08/10/2009 11:47:39 AM PDT by nvskibum
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To: ExTexasRedhead
Yet, despite this wholesale rejection of the individual parts of Obama's Israel policy, Jewish Democrats by 58-16 believe that Obama is doing a good job of promoting peace in the Middle East. Beyond this, 92% of all Jewish Democrats approve of the job Obama is doing overall.

My interpretation of this is that:

(1) Jewish Democrats understand that Obama's policies are bad for the long-term survival of Israel, and

(2) They don't care.

What the poll points out is that Israel is less important to them than their socialist agenda. They would rather Israel be destroyed than risk any chance that Roe v Wade be overturned.
29 posted on 08/10/2009 12:01:02 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 (Public healthcare looks like it will work as well as public housing did.)
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To: uncbob
Muslims outnumber Jews in the USA

Not yet. While Islam is the fastest growing religion in the US, the numbers aren't yet on par with Judaism. Jews are the third largest religious affiliation in the US behind Christianity and atheism/no religion.

As of 2007, 1.7% of Americans considered themselves Jewish (whether on religious grounds or ethnic ones) and 0.7% consider themselves Muslim.

For a comparison, 78.4% consider themselves Christian, and 16.1% are not religious.

http://religions.pewforum.org/affiliations

30 posted on 08/10/2009 12:23:50 PM PDT by OA5599
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To: TXBlair

Me either. For every “good” thing they’ve ever managed to do, we could probably list 50 “bad” things.


31 posted on 08/10/2009 12:26:49 PM PDT by Boiling Pots (Angry Mobster - Down with the Purple Shirts!)
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To: OA5599

I thought I had read at least 5 years ago that the muslims had passed the Jews


32 posted on 08/10/2009 12:39:34 PM PDT by uncbob
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To: Sarah Barracuda

If the written works of Muhammed, Adolph Hitler, and Barack H. Obama, Jr. have one thing in common: it is that they are all ignored by those who should read them until it is too late.


33 posted on 08/10/2009 12:40:31 PM PDT by Kenny Bunk (Congratulations Obama Voters! You are not prejudiced. Unpatriotic, maybe. Dumb definitely.)
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To: nathanbedford

An honest ping for you.


34 posted on 08/10/2009 12:42:00 PM PDT by Kenny Bunk (Congratulations Obama Voters! You are not prejudiced. Unpatriotic, maybe. Dumb definitely.)
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To: nathanbedford
Please pray for us Messianic Jews in this. It is the Gospel that they are rebelling against. God is lifting the veil on his people, but the enemy will fight. I know this because I lived 4 years with my family who are all unsaved and many vile and blasphemous things were said to me. GOD WILL BRAKE THROUGH HOWEEVER BECAUSE HE LOVES HIS PEOPLE EVEN THOUGH THEY ARE REBELLOUS.
35 posted on 08/10/2009 12:47:56 PM PDT by cowboyusa
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To: nvskibum
Jews have been active members or supporters of the civil rights movement since its inception, believing that when racial discrimination is eliminated by the government, society also will not tolerate religious discrimination. They may be very wrong about this connection, unfortunately.

Ironic that the Jewish merchants and later the Asian merchants were the targets (burned out stores) of black rioters since the 60s whenever "Burn baby burn " occurred

And no neighborhoods emptied out faster when the blacks moved in than the Jewish enclaves in our big cities
36 posted on 08/10/2009 12:48:39 PM PDT by uncbob
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To: Boiling Pots

But you can’t deny the tremendous advances they have given to the world in science especially medicine

Their biggest problem is the one all liberals have —closed minds and absolute refusal to see that liberal policies are complete failures all around the world


37 posted on 08/10/2009 12:53:24 PM PDT by uncbob
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To: cowboyusa
Hello cowboy. Are there a lot of Messianic Jews out there on the Prairie?

Seriously, I understand that Messianic Jews are buffeted from both sides. And I understand how tough these family matters can be.


38 posted on 08/10/2009 1:00:55 PM PDT by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: uncbob

In medicine, art, music...the list goes on and on.

Marxism, Bolshevism, the ACLU...the list goes on and on.


39 posted on 08/10/2009 1:04:16 PM PDT by Boiling Pots (Angry Mobster - Down with the Purple Shirts!)
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To: uncbob

A lot of the movement by Jews from old, poorer urban neighborhoods arose after the second second generation of Jewish immigrants became more economically successful and entered the middle class.


40 posted on 08/10/2009 1:09:01 PM PDT by nvskibum
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To: cycjec

“I should note that there’s no excuse in America for calling Republicans or Conservatives anti-semites.”

Sure, but the charges come out anyway, with impunity, accepted as truth. (Absolutely amazing.)

IMHO


41 posted on 08/10/2009 1:09:22 PM PDT by ripley
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To: ripley
Jewish Democrats will always vote Liberal Democrat no matter what.

Agree. I don't know a single Jew that would put their leftism in an inferior position.

42 posted on 08/10/2009 1:15:10 PM PDT by School of Rational Thought (Freedom First in 2010)
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To: ExTexasRedhead

Stop it.. just stop it...

The folks who vote socialist are going to continue to vote socialist / marxist until the day they die(heh.. and even that might not stop them)

Just let it go...


43 posted on 08/10/2009 1:16:00 PM PDT by myself6 (.)
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To: nvskibum

I have seen what happens to their neighborhoods when the first Schwarzter moves in


44 posted on 08/10/2009 1:29:28 PM PDT by uncbob
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To: eekitsagreek

Morris says abortion is more important to them than Israel. So obama’s their guy no matter what.

Why???


45 posted on 08/10/2009 2:00:07 PM PDT by Bluebird Singing
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To: Bluebird Singing
Morris says abortion is more important to them than Israel.

Did I not just say that not too long ago on these forums and then get ripped in half for being a disingenuous Jew hater?

Thank you Dick Morris.

Ask some female Rabbis!

46 posted on 08/10/2009 2:04:40 PM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (RATs...nothing more than Bald Haired Hippies!)
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To: rcrngroup

“Christian Conservative Evangelicals are the best friend Israel has in this country.”

Maybe Israel doesn’t matter to “secular jews”. (another one of those oxymorons; how can one be Jewish and secular at the same time?)

IMHO


47 posted on 08/10/2009 3:08:15 PM PDT by ripley
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48 posted on 08/10/2009 5:00:39 PM PDT by SJackson (the number-one job facing the middle class...a three-letter word: jobs. J-O-B-S. Jobs)
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To: ripley

I agree. “Secular” Jews in this country (and in Israel) really have no heritage or tie to the nation or land of Israel, as they are inherently socialist-fascist-commie ideologues themselves. Israel itself is infected with a large percentage of secular Jews. The only connection is simply their ethnic heritage, but they have no spiritual heritage or any legacy to the land of Israel. Yet they will constantly demand the same victimization rights as other vocal, left wing minorities in this country. I know that in the book of Romans and in Revelation, God is not done dealing with the Jewish people and one day they will be restored to him as God’s chosen people. Unfortunately in the meantime, they are responsible for unmitigated evil doers like Marx, Soros, Axelrod, Schumer, Feinstein, Waxman, Rahm Emmanuel, Feingold, David Geffen, etc, the list of Jewish evil doers goes on.


49 posted on 08/10/2009 8:03:35 PM PDT by rcrngroup
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To: cycjec

Thank you for the title. Will get to the library today.

Best Regards.


50 posted on 08/11/2009 3:36:00 AM PDT by ripley
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