Skip to comments.Health Care Debate: As Charges of Nazism Abound, Which Side Is Right?
Posted on 08/10/2009 10:59:05 AM PDT by Michael Eden
Nancy Pelosi upped the ante in the health care debate when she responded to a media question in the following manner:
Interviewer: Do you think theres legitimate grassroot opposition going on here?That being in addition to her reference to town hall protesters as "simply un-American."
Pelosi: "I think theyre Astroturf You be the judge. "Theyre carrying swastikas and symbols like that to a town meeting on healthcare."
Well, first of all, Nancy Pelosi calls health care opponents "Astroturf," and the propagandist mainstream media have duly found evidence of one or two emails from conservative groups instructing opponents of health care how to have maximum effect. Overlooked by both Pelosi and her media lackeys is the fact that liberal organizations are literally PAYING people to "defend Obama's health care."
The image she tries to project is a bunch of goose-stepping Nazis bringing their beloved swastikas with them like lucky charms.
Conservatives immediately complained: thousands of conservatives have attended town hall meetings around the country, and most of them hadn't even SEEN a swastika at a town hall, much less carried one themselves.
But even the uber uber uber leftist Media Matters, trying to document that at least SOMEBODY really was carrying a swastika, end up inadvertently demonstrating a very different picture.
So there are your "swastika-toting conservatives." A frightening mob of Nazis, they aren't.
The thing is, what they are clearly saying is that they DON'T want Nazism or Swastikas. And they're afraid that we're seeing something in this health care agenda that smacks of the things they're afraid of.
So a very, VERY few conservatives have brought signs that express their connection of ObamaCare to incipient Nazism. Is that so awful? First let us compare it to how Barack Obama, Dick Durbin, and Democrat protesters have used the word "Nazi."
Democrat Sen. Dick Durbin compared American soldiers to Nazis:
"If I read this to you and did not tell you that it was an FBI agent describing what Americans had done to prisoners in their control, you would most certainly believe this must have been done by Nazis, Soviets in their gulags, or some mad regimePol Pot or othersthat had no concern for human beings. Sadly, that is not the case. This was the action of Americans in the treatment of their prisoners."Barack Obama compared our entire country to Nazism:
...just to take a, sort of a realist perspective...theres a lot of change going on outside of the Court, um, that, that judges essentially have to take judicial notice of. I mean youve got World War II, youve got uh, uh, uh, the doctrines of Nazism, that, that we are fighting against, that start looking uncomfortably similar to what we have going on, back here at home.And of course images linking George W. Bush to Hitler or the devil are a dime a dozen. Here's a picture at a liberal protest that manages to do both at once, giving Bush both devil horns and a Hitler mustache:
There's a rather substantial compilation of Bush-as-Hitler comparisons here. But given the vast quantity of Bush derangement syndrome, it isn't - and frankly can't possibly be - anywhere near complete.
So on one hand you have to simply laugh (as in the kind of intense and sustained laughter that could literally cause you to die) at the sheer galling in-your-face hypocrisy and demagoguery of Nancy Pelosi and the left. The self-righteous, "How dare you? How DARE you?" tone doesn't suit them at all.
But while the above deflates any liberal claim to outrage, it doesn't justify throwing around Nazi Swastikas or using the word "fascist" at the Democrat's health care plan. Do these protesters have any better justification than that?
I believe they do. And here's why.
Reason One: Rush Limbaugh added a little gasoline to the fire that Nancy Pelosi started when he pointed out the visual similarity between the ObamaCare symbol and the Swastika. His point was that if pointing out Swastika symbols was good for the goose, it ought to be good for the gander as well.
Of course, the mainstream media came completely unglued. Rush Limbaugh played a rather lengthy montage of talking-point media outrage on his August 7 broadcast. And the White House - in continuation of a policy that seems to hold that free speech is only free if it passes White House muster - proceeded to warn Rush Limbaugh that he is on "thin ice."
But apart from the obvious surface artistic similarities that people either recognize or refuse to recognize, there is a somewhat deeper and much more profound issue: Obama is essentially taking the symbol for medicine, and combining it with his own political campaign symbol. The result is the ostentatious politicizing of health care as ideology. It truly IS ObamaCare as Obama's own symbol for it reveals!!! We haven't seen anything like that in this country since the LAST time we embraced significant elements of fascism in our politics over 70 years ago. And it is dangerous.
And a growing number of people are realizing it.
Reason two: Politically, there are some rather frightening political developments from within the Obama administration. Former "journalist"-turned Obama hack Linda Douglas reveals both how corrupt journalism has become and how fascistic Obama can truly be in this pitch:
There is a lot of disinformation about health insurance reform out there, spanning from control of personal finances to end of life care. These rumors often travel just below the surface via chain emails or through casual conversation. Since we cant keep track of all of them here at the White House, were asking for your help. If you get an email or see something on the web about health insurance reform that seems fishy, send it to email@example.com.When was the last time you were asked to turn in people practicing their free speech rights to the White House? The White House is asking people to turn in emails, web sites, and even people in "casual conversation." Can you imagine if the Bush White House had taken this course to collect information on protesters against the Iraq War? The New York Times would have run a 300-part series detailing it as rabid fascism. In this case, the blatant paranoia - and yes, the fascism - is being carried out by Barack Obama.
Reason three: But that's not the only connection Democrat-activists now have with fascism. Now there's also the "new Fascisti" in the form of union thugs who are coming in to intimidate and even beat conservatives at town halls. In fascist Italy, the Fascisti were the Blackshirted men who broke up opposition rallies with fists and whatever else was needed. In Hitler's rise to power, it was the SA Brownshirts. Now it's the SEIU Blueshirts. This certainly isn't the first time Democrats have relied on union thuggery to accomplish their goals.
After decrying town hall health care protesters as an "angry mob," Democrats are now bringing in goons to physically intimidate health care protesters.
It was Barack Obama who said:
If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun.And this former community organizer who is so outraged that communities have been organizing has brought a gun in the form of union thugs to the "knives" of mostly elderly ObamaCare protesters.
Democrat Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid accused elderly health care protesters "of trying to sabotage the democratic process," by showing up at Democrat politicians town halls and demanding answers and shouting when they don't get them. But look at what's happening:
Over 1,000 St. Louis Tea Party Taxpayers showed up to attend the Russ Carnahan town hall meeting in South St. Louis. They were Locked Out! But... The Carnahah staff was sneaking in SIEU members in the side door marked "handicapped."
Is shutting out American citizens and barring them from access to their elected leaders not the REAL "sabotage of the democratic process"? How is stacking the political deck with your own people while deliberately shutting out your political opponents not fascist? And as we'll also see, how is bringing in burly union thugs to physically manhandle people for trying to express their political opinions not fascist?
In Tampa, Fla: Kathy Castor's burly union thugs manhandled a small elderly man (in the green shirt) with stage 4 cancer and shut the doors on protesters' faces to prevent opposing opinions from being heard.
The above footage is a little confusing. One of the protesters who was physically manhandled by the four burly thugs shoving them around at the same event tells his story.
Kenneth Gladney, a black conservative, was beaten by four thugs at another event as he offered "Don't Tread on Me" flags while trying to get into a town hall meeting in Missouri.
Is that the only thing that prompts people to compare ObamaCare to Nazism via their homemade posters of Swastikas with the red line through of "NO!" through them?
Not even close.
Let us explore the real reason that so many people - both Republican and Democrat - are so virulently opposing this health care plan.
Reason four: There's more than ample evidence that - contrary to Obama's and the Democrats' denials - that they very much DO want a government takeover of health care. And more and more people are realizing that this massive influx of pure socialism is not the American way.
Nearly three out of four (72%) Americans believe ObamaCare will add to the deficit, according to the most recent Quinnipiac University poll.
The current number being thrown around for Obama's health care is $1.6 trillion over ten years. But government routinely massively underestimates its costs, as I've documented in the past. The CBO was off by 633% in its estimate of the cost of Medicare; and off by 10,900% in estimating the cost of Medicaid special hospitals. A reasonable figure - based on an average of past CBO underestimation of government cost to fund government programs - is that ObamaCare will cost about $13 trillion over ten years.
Our debt has exploded under Barack Obama. As the Wall Street Journal's Michael Boskin put it:
Mr. Obama's $3.6 trillion budget blueprint, by his own admission, redefines the role of government in our economy and society. The budget more than doubles the national debt held by the public, adding more to the debt than all previous presidents -- from George Washington to George W. Bush -- combined.And that explosion is going to have huge consequences down the road.
If we put our health care system under government control, it is absolutely unavoidable that we will have to massively ration our health care resources down the road. And there's the rub.
Somebody is going to suffer from neglect down the road, as scarce medical resources are allocated to some rather than others. And the elderly - who 1) are no longer represented in the work force while 2) consuming the lion's share of medical resource - are going to start getting the short end of the stick.
The Obama administration may not want to admit it, but they have already embraced the idea of denying medical care to senior citizens, given their president's choice of czars and top advisers.
Take Dr. Ezekiel Emanuel (White House Chief-of-staff Rahm's brother) - PLEASE. Dr. Emanuel is the health-policy adviser at Obama's Office of Management and Budget and is also a member of Federal Council on Comparative Effectiveness Research.
In January of THIS YEAR, Dr. Emanuel - who is a principal architect of the Democrat's health care plan - wrote:
"When implemented, the Complete Lives system produces a priority curve on which individuals aged between roughly 15 and 40 years get the most substantial chance, whereas the youngest and oldest people get chances that are attenuated... The Complete Lives system justifies preference to younger people because of priority to the worst-off rather than instrumental value."For those of you who don't know what "attenuated" means, let me save you from heading for your dictionary. It means, "to make thin; to weaken or reduce in force, intensity, effect, quantity, or value." Basically, in Dr. Emanuel's usage, it means, "Time to make room for the next generation and shove off, Grandma and Grandpa."
Dr. Ezekiel Emanuel included a chart with his work (available here), which shows how he wants to allocate medical resources:
When you're very young, or when you start reaching your 50s, you start becoming toast.
Take Cass Sunstein, Obama's Regulatory Czar, who wrote in the Columbia Law Review in January 2004:
"I urge that the government should indeed focus on life-years rather than lives. A program that saves young people produces more welfare than one that saves old people."Barack Obama's Regulatory Czar explains:
"If a program would prevent fifty deaths of people who are twenty, should it be treated the same way as a program that would prevent fifty deaths of people who are seventy? Other things being equal, a program that protects young people seems far better than one that protects old people, because it delivers greater benefits."Which very much jives with what Obama told a woman concerning her mother:
"At least we can let doctors know and your mom know that you know what, maybe this isnt going to help. Maybe youre better off, uhh, not having the surgery, but, uhh, taking the painkiller."Don't let the coffin lid hit your face on the way out, Grandma and Grandpa.
Glenn Beck brought out these statements on his August 6 TV program, adding that he wouldn't let these men bring him a can of Coke, much less give them the power to make health care policy and determine who lives and who dies.
Right now the decision as to how to allocate medical resources is divided up between innumerable people and organizations, both government and private. But if the "public option" wins the day, it will be centralized by men like Dr. Ezekiel Emanuel and Cass Sunstein. And as the government takes over health care, and as debt eats up government funding, men and women like Emanuel and Sunstein are going to be choosing death by denial of medical resources to increasingly more and more people.
THAT'S your big Reason. Rationed care. Denial of resources to the elderly. Death by neglect. THAT'S why health care protesters are screaming and shouting. THAT'S why people are carrying signs saying NO to the Swastika symbol of Nazi fascism. And with all due respect, it is a damn good reason to be frightened and pissed off to no end.
Keep your damned fascist paws off my parents' health care, Obama.
Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg, liberal judicial activist of liberal judicial activists, had this to say about valueless life on the younger side (as opposed to Emanuel's and Sunstein's valueless life on the older side):
Ginsburg: Yes, the ruling about that surprised me. [Harris v. McRae in 1980 the court upheld the Hyde Amendment, which forbids the use of Medicaid for abortions.] Frankly I had thought that at the time Roe was decided, there was concern about population growth and particularly growth in populations that we don't want to have too many of."Dr. Ezekiel Emanuel wrote in 1996:
"Conversely, services provided to individuals who are irreversibly prevented from being or becoming participating citizens are not basic and should not be guaranteed."Enter Eugenics right out of Margaret Sanger, the founder of Planned Parenthood, and right out of Adolf Hitler, the architect of Nazism. Enter the reason why so many Planned Parenthood clinics are STILL primarily located in black neighborhoods all over America - i.e., "growth in populations we don't want to have too many of." Enter the reason Planned Parenthood is STILL comfortable with the idea of selectively aborting black babies.
And lest you forget, the infamous 1930s-era Tuskegee experiment - the racist and eugenics-based study that studied the effects of syphilis on deliberately untreated black men - ran straight through FDR's New Deal, and through the course of his entire presidency.
Democrats are working to build a state in which it is the state which decides whether or not classes of people have the right to life, or the right to health care resources. They want to centralize decision-making, and make health care decisions for everyone so they can further control the economy (health care is 1/6th of the economy) and further control individual behavior.
The late (and very, very great) Dr. D. James Kennedy once prophetically said:
"Watch out, Grandpa; because the generation that survived abortion will one day come after you!"One need only look at Dr. Ezekiel Emanuel's chart depicting the odds of receiving medical care versus age to see that the day Dr. Kennedy warned us about is now coming with a vengeance.
So who's right in throwing out comparisons of Nazism? If the choice is between Barack Obama and Nancy Pelosi and the health care plan they're pushing versus the angry crowds showing up at town hall meetings to oppose the plan, it's not even close. First of all, let no one forget that "NAZI" stoof for the "National Socialist German Workers Party." It was national socialism, as in the sort of socialism health care protesters are afraid of. Ronald Brownstein, senior writer at the National Journal, said recently that "The defining gamble of Barack Obama's presidency is that the public today is willing to accept more government activism...". Don't think for a second that the Nazis did not build a vast government health care system, which they then used to advance their political agenda. And the German national government medical system under Nazism looked far more like the system that Barack Obama and Nancy Pelosi want to impose than anything that the people shouting at town halls want to see.
I feel like I’m going to be sick. I’ve been days and weeks reading books about the Holocaust, and it’s hard to believe that Obama and his thugs want to do the same thing here in America.
Just read this article. It’s absolutely chilling:
They can only resort to calling names.
Anyway, each time they do...someone should post a photo or article where George W. Bush was demonized.
They are wearing their “falling back on” statements and ways very thin. None of us are buying it.
I’m writing an article right now, and incorporating Jeff Head’s finding of Ezekiel Emmanuel and the article you provided.
We’ve got to beat Obama over the head with the words of his own people. We’ve got to inform people so they KNOW just how terrible these peoples’ ideas are.
Nazism succeeded because too many people simply couldn’t believe they should take the incredibly evil ideas coming out of the mouths of Nazi theorists seriously.
All we can do is try to make sure as many people as possible know what Obama’s “experts” are saying, and hope the history of Nazi Germany doesn’t repeat itself.
I am fighting for my parents’ - who are both in their 70s, and who have both had cancer - very LIVES.
And the more they call me a part of an “angry mob,” the angrier I’m going to get...
The funny thing is how hysterical they were over “having their patriotism questioned” regarding the Iraq War.
60% of Democrat Senators voted for the Iraq War.
Here is what they said in support of the war:
Then they turned on the war for political expedience rather than stand up for what they themselves said on the record.
They said, “This war is lost” (Harry Reid).
They compared American soldiers to Nazis (Dick Durbin).
They accused innocent Marines of murder and war crimes (Jack Murtha).
They did these things while our soldiers were in the field fighting.
And then they wondered why we questioned the patriotism of some Demcorats.
Now we voice our disapproval over a health care plan that has elements right out of Dr. Mengele, and we are called “un-American” and compared to Nazis.
The sickest and most demented thing of all is that some of the people protesting the government takeover of their health care FOUGHT and DEFEATED the Nazis.
Thank you, Michael! I am going to make a copy of that article and start handing it out.
Check out this article that my daughter just alerted me to about “Family Intervention Projects” in the UK:
The Mark of the Beast is right around the corner, and I hope every spiritually-discerning person knows it.
The funny thing is that liberals keep insisting it’s conservatives who want to barge into homes and invade privacy.
By the way, I just pounded out the article from your previous New York Post link and the additional Ezekiel Emanuel comments Jeff Head linked me to.
I won’t put it up on free republic until later, but it’s on my blog now.
Durbin knows that companies want to get out of the business of providing private health care and will gladly dump their employees into government healthcare.
Posted: Tuesday, 11 August 2009 7:16AM
Durbin holds roundtable on health insurance
Craig Dellimore Reporting
CHICAGO (WBBM) — Senator Dick Durbin says the plight of local businesspeople makes the case for national health care reform.
WBBM Political Editor Craig Dellimore says Durbin was highlighting some of their stories.
At a roundtable discussion at a River North restaurant, owners of small businesses said they couldnt afford to provide health insurance for their workers.
Kathleen Kearns, who runs a design firm, is among those who say they cant really even afford the health insurance they provide for themselves.
Senator Dick Durbin says the nation needs real health care reform and it will be a severe disappointment if congress approves anything less.
I’m trying to think: was it Dick Durbin I saw on This Week Sunday?
In any event, what the liberal said was, “The reason the United States has been so un-competitive is because of our lack of public health care.”
And I was watching that, and blood was shooting out of my eyes, and I’m thinking, “THEN WHY THE HELL HAVE WE BEEN SO MUCH MORE COMPETITIVE THAN *&$%@#*% EUROPE THAT HAS GOVERNMENT HEALTH CARE?????
Businesses that don’t provide health care because it costs too much will have a hard time paying the 8% payroll tax, too. Quite a few small businesses in this category may well go out of business.
As to companies that DO provide health care, the temptation to step down to the government 8% payroll will be overwhelming.
The “public option” will be able to undercut private insurers because it won’t have to worry about profits or even losses; it will be entirely subsidized by taxpayers (and even subsidized by their own competition as they must pay taxes too!!!!).
The “public option” will charge LESS than the private insurers can charge: if they charged MORE, why even bother to HAVE a public option in the first place?
So you have all these Democrats who have flat-out admitted that they want the health care system to lead into single-payer, and they have a method of attaining that goal.
If the Democrats enact their plan, private health care will be gone inside 10 years. And then let the rationing begin!!!
They are a soul less lot...all of them. God bless our vets and our country. The people have spoken though and will continue to speak. That is what we need. Finally they are standing up to take our country back!!! God speed!
The citizens are speaking up.
They are angry and not going to take this.
The people have their facts and they are not stupid as DC thinks we all are.
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