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To: Durus

I think we need to be a little less cavalier about the prospect of insurrection. The Bible says to submit to authority and trust in God’s plan.


7 posted on 08/12/2009 7:55:25 AM PDT by piperpilot
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To: piperpilot
I think we need to be a little less cavalier about the prospect of insurrection. The Bible says to submit to authority and trust in God’s plan.

So I take you disapprove of that nasty "American Revolution" thingy that took place some time ago?

Not very submissive was it.

9 posted on 08/12/2009 8:03:30 AM PDT by Jotmo (Has 0bama fixed my soul yet?)
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To: piperpilot
Submit to "authority" all you like. There are many people that believe in the rights guaranteed by the constitution that will not submit. Or in the words of a founding father that wasn't that big on submission...

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen." Samuel Adams

Or perhaps this might be familiar?

"What is it that gentlemen wish? What would they have? Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty, or give me death!" Patrick Henry
12 posted on 08/12/2009 8:14:36 AM PDT by Durus (The People have abdicated our duties and anxiously hopes for just two things, "Bread and Circuses")
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To: piperpilot

>I think we need to be a little less cavalier about the prospect of insurrection. The Bible says to submit to authority and trust in God’s plan.

Where does the Bible say that you are to treat your rights as worthless? Or do you forget the condemnation Esau received for selling his birth-right for a meal? Do you not remember that God said to Noah, after the flood, that should a man shed man’s blood then his blood should be shed by man because man is created in God’s image? (That is, capital punishment for murder.)

Also, what about the American ideal of a government ‘By the People’? Or do you consider yourself not of ‘the People’?

Micha 6:8 says that to DO Justly is what God requires of man; where is the justice in letting a corrupt elite conspire to rob, plunder, and do violence against any who get in their way?

Remember the book of Esther: where the political elite took it into their hands to make a law legalizing the killing of the jews? Remember how the queen’s maneuvering got another law passed; one which allowed the jews to gather together, armed, and defend themselves? Tell me what would have happened if they hadn’t taken advantage of that ability to defend themselves saying “it is legal that they should kill us; we should submit to authority!”?

The truth is that the Founding Fathers recognized that Government was not friendly to the people, and ensured the recognition of God given rights: hence, the Bill of Rights.
Amendment 2 states: “A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state; the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.”

This was to ensure a free state, is says so itself, and the military oath is not to the president, the congress, or the USSC, but to the Constitution. In other words, they recognized the very real danger of a corrupt government; and a corrupt government is an anathema to the free state they sought to create.


13 posted on 08/12/2009 8:23:58 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: piperpilot

Haha....if god’s followers had a GPS and weren’t so passive they could have found their destination in less than 40 years and given the Romans a run for their money.


14 posted on 08/12/2009 8:36:55 AM PDT by TNdandelion (I'd rather have FedEx run my healthcare than USPS.)
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To: piperpilot
I do not think God would also approve of people just sitting around during Nazi German during WWII who knew of the atrocities that were going on in the Jewish ghettos, Nazi concentration camps and thought, " well, the Bible says we must summit to the governing authorities " ....
God see's a life more valuable to him than some government ...
For God, the killing of the jews in WWII Germany was more of a crime in his eyes then people rebelling against that very government that condoned killing jews and were killing jews.
16 posted on 08/12/2009 9:55:55 AM PDT by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM .53 : 1 The FOOL hath said in his heart, there is no GOD.)
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To: piperpilot
The Bible says to submit to authority and trust in God’s plan.

The context is clearly 'within the church'.

Otherwise you have to explain to me how God selected and ordained hitler, et al. Those who try it come across as real idiots.

19 posted on 08/12/2009 11:10:42 AM PDT by Eagle Eye (Kenya? Kenya? Kenya just show us the birth certificate?)
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