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Senate Version Of The Socialized Medicine Bill Exempts Congress From Socialized Health Care
84rules News and Commentary Blog ^ | August 14, 2009 | 84rules

Posted on 08/14/2009 1:08:27 PM PDT by 84rules

I haven't found this language in HR3200 yet. But it does exist in the as yet un-numbered Senate version of the socialized medince bill.

The Senate Version Of The Socialized Medicine Bill Exempts Congress From Socialized Health Care
84rules
August 14, 2009

If anyone can find where a Congressional exemption exists in HR3200 (Section and page number), please post it.

Thanks.


TOPICS: Government; Health/Medicine; Miscellaneous; Politics
KEYWORDS: 111th; agenda; bhohealthcare; democrats; hr3200; liberalfascism; medicine; obamacare; readthebill; senate; socialized; socializedmedicine
The more we pass on what we learn about this legislation, the easier it will be to defeat it.
1 posted on 08/14/2009 1:08:29 PM PDT by 84rules
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To: 84rules

Welcome the rise of the American Politburo.


2 posted on 08/14/2009 1:10:21 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (There is no truth in the Pravda Media.)
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To: 84rules

That can not and must not be the case. Can Congress be sued??


3 posted on 08/14/2009 1:11:47 PM PDT by my_pointy_head_is_sharp
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To: a fool in paradise

Dear senators Lugar and Bayh, if the plan you pass is good enough for ME it is good enough for YOU! No passing of laws PERIOD that you are exempt from....where do you thing you are, in uhbama’s commie heaven?


4 posted on 08/14/2009 1:12:28 PM PDT by Republic (Uhbama is a LIAR! Uhbama is REALLY A LIAR! UhBAMA LIED TO ALL OF US TODAY!)
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To: 84rules
We need a side by side chart, 84, that shows the coverage WE provide our representatives, and what THEY want us to have. It would be a show stopper, that's for sure. Can anyone provide?
5 posted on 08/14/2009 1:12:51 PM PDT by Pegita ('Tis so sweet to trust in Jesus, just to take Him at His word ...)
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To: 84rules

I went through 3200 a few weeks ago and could find no reference to the Federal Employees Health Benefits Program (which is what members of Congress use for insurance).


6 posted on 08/14/2009 1:13:26 PM PDT by freespirited (The Surgeon General has determined that Harry and Louise are dangerous to your health.)
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To: freespirited

I looked for it too. I had heard it was in there, but couldn’t find any reference either, at least not as the FEHB Program nor as Chapter 89 of Title 5, United States Code. I’m wondering if it was called something different in HR3200.


7 posted on 08/14/2009 1:17:52 PM PDT by 84rules ( Ooh-Rah! Semper Fi!)
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To: 84rules

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8 posted on 08/14/2009 1:17:52 PM PDT by Diogenesis ("Those who go below the surface do so at their peril" - Oscar Wilde)
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To: 84rules

From what I’ve read in HR3200, I don’t think they need to “exempt” the Senate (or the President) from the plan.

Their plan is pretty good so I’m guessing it would qualify under the Health Insurance Exchange. I’m not sure of the details of their plan however it would be my guess that it’s one that wouldn’t go defunct like many other private insurance plans will. So, under this bill, they would never have to go with the public option that many of us will be forced to.

The way the bill is set up, Obama isn’t technically lying about being able to keep current health care plans. However, the reality is that most current health care plans will no longer be available, whether it’s due to not conforming to the decrees of the HIE or due to the fact that there won’t be enough subscribers to keep the plan active. That’s how he gets by with saying what he says.


9 posted on 08/14/2009 1:19:19 PM PDT by Shiandra
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To: 84rules

Was there ever any doubt?


10 posted on 08/14/2009 1:19:31 PM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: freespirited

He has offered H. Res. 615 with 53 Republican co-sponsors, which states:

Expressing the sense of the House of Representatives that members who vote in favor of the establishment of a public, federal government run health insurance option are urged to forgo their right to participate in the Federal Employees Health Benefits Program (FEHBP) and agree to enroll under that public option.

Fleming said that under both the House and Senate proposals, members of Congress won’t have to participate in the government plan for at least five years – and even after five years, enrollment will still be considered optional. Meanwhile, every other American will be forced to comply with government rules by obtaining “qualifying” plans.

Fleming told Fox News, “All these health care bills that are coming out on the Democrats’ side – the ‘reform’ bills – basically say that Congress is exempt for at least the first five years, and perhaps longer,” he said. “I’ve issued H. Res. 615 that simply says, look, if you vote for this, then you should choose it.”

He continued, “We’ve reached out to every Democrat in the House, and we have yet to have a taker. They want it for every American – except for members of Congress.”

Fleming’s bill has been referred to the House Committee on House Administration.

On July 16, Rep. Dean Heller, R.-Nev., offered a similar amendment to H.R. 3200 during the House Ways and Means Committee markup that would require members of Congress to enroll in its own government-run health care program. Democrats defeated the amendment by a vote of 21 to 18.


11 posted on 08/14/2009 1:24:46 PM PDT by jcsjcm (Upholding the Constitution til my last breath)
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To: 84rules

12 posted on 08/14/2009 1:31:11 PM PDT by LibertyGrrrl ("First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win." Mahatma Gandhi)
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To: 84rules
This bill doesn't "exempt" Congress. It doesn't even mention Congress (though it does apply to them). What it says is that people getting their insurance through the Federal government will be eligible for taking part in the proposed government health program.

The very next line in the bill, not quoted in the blog linked to, goes on to explain that individuals who get their insurance through their private employer will also be eligible for the program, provided that certain requirements are met.

There's plenty to be frustrated with in the bill, but this seems to be a misinterpretation.

13 posted on 08/14/2009 1:35:48 PM PDT by Devils Avocado
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To: Devils Avocado

No, but the bill specifically mentions (and exempts) chapter 89 of title 5, United States Code from coverage. That is the law under which Congress (and Federal employees) get their health benefits packages.

No misinterpretation at all.


14 posted on 08/14/2009 1:42:21 PM PDT by 84rules ( Ooh-Rah! Semper Fi!)
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To: Shiandra; freespirited
I think I found it. In HR3200, Sec. 102(c)(2) on page 19, we find:

Excepted benefits (as defined in section 2791(c) of the Public Health Service Act) are not included within the definition of health insurance coverage.

So, now we look into the Public Health Services Act. In Sec. 2791(d)(8)(B) on page 1212, we find the following:

FEDERAL GOVERNMENTAL PLAN.—The term "Federal governmental plan" means a governmental plan established or maintained for its employees by the Government of the United States or by any agency or instrumentality of such Government.

Subparagraph (d) is titled "Other Definitions." The exemption was hidden more deeply than in the Senate version.
15 posted on 08/14/2009 1:52:59 PM PDT by 84rules ( Ooh-Rah! Semper Fi!)
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To: 84rules
Can you verify this,I want to print this up for the Columbus freep of Howard Scream tomorrow.
16 posted on 08/14/2009 2:07:18 PM PDT by nomad
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To: 84rules
No, but the bill specifically mentions (and exempts) chapter 89 of title 5, United States Code from coverage. That is the law under which Congress (and Federal employees) get their health benefits packages.

I didn't see anywhere that said they were "exempt" at all. Where do you see that?

On the contrary, being a "qualified individual" means they "shall have the choice to enroll or not to enroll in a qualified health plan or to participate in a Gateway," which is a clearinghouse that "facilitates the purchase of health insurance coverage and related insurance products ... by qualified individuals and qualified employer groups." If anything this is good for insurance companies, as Federal employees will be eligible to switch their plans over.

17 posted on 08/14/2009 2:09:14 PM PDT by Devils Avocado
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To: 84rules

Impressive. You must be a lawyer...


18 posted on 08/14/2009 2:12:45 PM PDT by Pharmboy (Who ever thought we would long for the days of the Clinton administration...)
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To: Devils Avocado
In this case, "qualified individual" means those who will be subject to the new law. Those who are "eligible for coverage" under chapter 89, title 5, United States Code are not "qualified individuals" and therefore not subject to this law.
19 posted on 08/14/2009 2:22:47 PM PDT by 84rules ( Ooh-Rah! Semper Fi!)
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20 posted on 08/14/2009 2:45:54 PM PDT by B-Cause (It's not what you gather, but what you scatter that tells what kind of life you have lived.)
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To: 84rules

Bingo! Many thanks.


21 posted on 08/14/2009 2:48:21 PM PDT by freespirited (The Surgeon General has determined that Harry and Louise are dangerous to your health.)
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To: 84rules

To me this is one of the pivotal issues in the healthcare debacle; I have been so astonished this question is not being asked more at the townhall meetings. Citizens ought to demand that the US Congress and Federal Employees be under the EXACT same coverage forced down the throats of the general public.

Five year waiting period to voluntarily opt in? Everyone Federal employee currently receiving Federal “GOLD STANDARD” Health Insurance should be required by their employers (we the people) to offer themselves up as guinea pigs (alongside illegal aliens) for the new health program that they so proudly created and then let us know in five or ten years how it’s working out for them. They need to make us jealous we don’t have it yet.

Our elected representatives really do hold “we the citizens” in such contempt to think we are to be expected to foot the bill for a Federal government that is siphoning our nation’s capital unto itself and ballooning excessively out of all proportion to its ineffective, unproductive, and inefficient work output.

and a PS: They will also need to get rid of those “in-house” doctor’s offices & mini-hospitals just feet from where they work because Obama has already said that such luxuries as being able to pull right into a parking lot & zip into the doctor’s office is something we need to sacrifice.

The hubris of these people is becoming intolerable.


22 posted on 08/14/2009 3:29:50 PM PDT by thouworm
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