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Swine Flu Pandemic: Pentagon Planning Deployment of Troops in Support of Nationwide Vaccination
http://pakalert.wordpress.com ^ | August 17, 2009...6:11 am | by Michel Chossudovsky

Posted on 08/18/2009 2:12:58 PM PDT by Lucky9teen

According to CNN, the Pentagon is “to establish regional teams of military personnel to assist civilian authorities in the event of a significant outbreak of the H1N1 virus this fall, according to Defense Department officials.”

“The proposal is awaiting final approval from Defense Secretary Robert Gates.

The officials would not be identified because the proposal from U.S. Northern Command’s Gen. Victor Renuart has not been approved by the secretary.

The plan calls for military task forces to work in conjunction with the Federal Emergency Management Agency. There is no final decision on how the military effort would be manned, but one source said it would likely include personnel from all branches of the military.

It has yet to be determined how many troops would be needed and whether they would come from the active duty or the National Guard and Reserve forces.

Civilian authorities would lead any relief efforts in the event of a major outbreak, the official said. The military, as they would for a natural disaster or other significant emergency situation, could provide support and fulfill any tasks that civilian authorities could not, such as air transport or testing of large numbers of viral samples from infected patients.

As a first step, Gates is being asked to sign a so-called “execution order” that would authorize the military to begin to conduct the detailed planning to execute the proposed plan.

Orders to deploy actual forces would be reviewed later, depending on how much of a health threat the flu poses this fall, the officials said.” (CNN, Military planning for possible H1N1 outbreak, July 2009, emphasis added)

The implications are far-reaching.

The decision points towards the militarization of civilian institutions, including law enforcement and public health.

A nationwide vaccination program is already planned for the Fall.

The pharmaceutical industry is slated to deliver 160 million vaccine doses by the Fall, enough doses to vaccinate more than half of America’s population.

The Pentagon is already planning on the number of troops to be deployed,. with a view to supporting a mass vaccination program.

It is worth noting that this involvement of the military is not being decided by the President, but by the Secretary of Defense, which suggests that the Pentagon is, in a key issue of of national interest, overriding the President and Commander in Chief. The US Congress has not been consulted on the issue.

This decision to mobilise the Armed Forces in the vaccination campaign is taken in anticipation of a national emergency. Although no national emergency has been called, the presumption is that a national public health emergency will occur, using the WHO Level 6 Pandemic as a pretext and a justification.

Other countries, including Canada, the UK and France may follow suit, calling upon their Armed Forces to play a role in support of the H1N1 vaccination program.

US Northern Command

Much of the groundwork for the intervention of the military has already been established. There are indications that these “regional teams” have already been established under USNORTHCOM, which has been involved in preparedness training and planning in the case of a flu pandemic (See U.S. Northern Command – Avian Flu. USNORTHCOM website).

Within the broader framework of “Disaster Relief”, Northern Command has, in the course of the last two years, defined a mandate in the eventuality of a public health emergency or a flu pandemic. The emphasis is on the militarization of public health whereby NORTHCOM would oversee the activities of civilian institutions involved in health related services.

According Brig. Gen. Robert Felderman, deputy director of USNORTHCOM’s Plans, Policy and Strategy Directorate: “USNORTHCOM is the global synchronizer – the global coordinator – for pandemic influenza across the combatant commands”(emphasis added) (See Gail Braymen, USNORTHCOM contributes pandemic flu contingency planning expertise to trilateral workshop, USNORTHCOM, April 14, 2008, See also USNORTHCOM. Pandemic Influenza Chain Training (U) pdf)

“Also, the United States in 1918 had the Spanish influenza. We were the ones who had the largest response to [a pandemic] in more recent history. So I discussed what we did then, what we expect to have happen now and the numbers that we would expect in a pandemic influenza.”

The potential number of fatalities in the United States in a modern pandemic influenza could reach nearly two million, according to Felderman. Not only would the nation’s economy suffer, but the Department of Defense would still have to be ready and able to protect and defend the country and provide support of civil authorities in disaster situations. While virtually every aspect of society would be affected, “the implications for Northern Command will be very significant.”

“[A pandemic would have] a huge economic impact, in addition to the defense-of-our-nation impact,” Felderman said. The United States isn’t alone in preparing for such a potential catastrophe. (Gail Braymen, op cit)

Apart from the CNN dispatch and a FOX news report, there has been virtually no mainstream press coverage of this issue. No statement has been made by USNORTHCOM. The Fox New Report suggests that US troops would be involved in organising military quarantines (see videoclip at link).


TOPICS: Conspiracy; Government; Health/Medicine; Military/Veterans
KEYWORDS: agenda; govtcontrol; health; medicine; military; swineflu; vaccination
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I often find myself wondering if this isn't the "crisis" that will enable the government to enact "Martial Law" and mandatory "Vaccinations"...

I know it sounds conspiratorial, but nowadays, with this government, anything is possible.

1 posted on 08/18/2009 2:12:59 PM PDT by Lucky9teen
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To: Lucky9teen

I think a number of States’ governors might object to any sort of action like this, as would their respective National Guard units. “Lawful Orders” comes in to play here as well. I also think a large number of our congress-critters would object.

I have full confidence that CNN and MSNBC would be instructing us where to report.


2 posted on 08/18/2009 2:17:39 PM PDT by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitur)
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To: Lucky9teen

The ‘Perfect Storm’ aka swine flu used as a ruse to quarantine and remove citizenry from their communities under the guise of a pandemic? perhaps


3 posted on 08/18/2009 2:17:42 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed .. Monthly Donor Onboard)
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To: Lucky9teen

This sounds like BALONEY.

The UK and many other countries have managed to weather the flu without declaring martial law!!! The US managed to weather past flu epidemics without DECLARING MARTIAL LAW.

SOMETHING STINKS.


4 posted on 08/18/2009 2:19:57 PM PDT by silverleaf (If we are astroturf, why are the democrats trying to mow us?)
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To: Lucky9teen
While the H1N1 "emergency" is in full-swing, Congress will meet at 3AM behind closed doors and pass Obamacare.
5 posted on 08/18/2009 2:20:00 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Islam is a religion of peace, and Muslims reserve the right to kill anyone who says otherwise.)
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To: Lucky9teen

Doesn’t sound diabolical to me. Our military have a lot of medics and corpsmen trained to give shots. If there’s a rush of scared people trying to get the shots they could be a big help - if enough vaccine is available, but there won’t be.
I’m not worried.


6 posted on 08/18/2009 2:20:32 PM PDT by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink)
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To: Lucky9teen

God help us, this is the set-up...


7 posted on 08/18/2009 2:21:09 PM PDT by McKayopectate
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To: Lucky9teen

This is insane. I found a huge front page, hysterical article in my local press about the need for “mass vaccinations” and when I read it, they mentioned that (a) the vaccine hasn’t even been developed yet, and (b) it won’t even be necessary for people born before 1955, which would be the entire Boomer generation and many others (who have natural immunity because there was a flu variant at that time that was very similar to the current “swine flu”).

So why the hysteria? What are they trying to do?


8 posted on 08/18/2009 2:25:46 PM PDT by livius
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To: Lucky9teen

Just to introduce a touch of sanity ...

H1N1 viruses are unpleasant, and this sort of nonsense is just that.

***IF*** an H5N1 virus with a human to human vector gets loose in the USA, you will want to welcome that USMC Corpsman at your door.

Bear in mind that NO H5N1 human-to-human virus is ID’d out there.

I just don’t trust this administration enough — in their intent, actions or their information.


9 posted on 08/18/2009 2:26:47 PM PDT by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitur)
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To: R. Scott

10 posted on 08/18/2009 2:27:09 PM PDT by shibumi (" ..... then we will fight in the shade.")
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To: NormsRevenge

yep. that is the way I see it. orchastated by the rahms and the czars with the black cloud of obamanation hovering. as rahm said: Never waste a crisis!


11 posted on 08/18/2009 2:28:29 PM PDT by bareford101 (Be loud! We have nothing – NOTHING - to apologize for in fighting for our Country!!)
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To: Lucky9teen

There is no evidence that the swine flu is more deadly than the regular flu. This is generated mass hysteria.


12 posted on 08/18/2009 2:30:53 PM PDT by allmost
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To: allmost

Exactly....I’ve read reports that they are tabulating the totals of swine flu victims in with regular flu victims and not even checking to see which flu is which....

I believe it is generated mass hysteria......by the government. What’s new?


13 posted on 08/18/2009 2:32:51 PM PDT by Lucky9teen (I don't care if Obama was blue, it's his AGENDA & PLAN to destroy America & The Constitution I hate)
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To: Lucky9teen

This kind of thing, even if well meaning, could be loaded with unintended consequences of all kinds.

It just doesn’t make any sense to send otherwise healthy people into an area full of people ill with a contageous disease. And the vaccine isn’t a guarantee. It helps many, but does not mean they won’t also come down with the virus, especially if it mutates.


14 posted on 08/18/2009 2:33:10 PM PDT by dajeeps
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To: Lucky9teen
Remember the SARS panic? What happened with that? On to the new fear mongering.
15 posted on 08/18/2009 2:34:15 PM PDT by allmost
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To: Lucky9teen

I have been thinking the exact same thing. Also wondering whether there are WMD in the vaccine? ACORN members get the good stuff; registered Republicans get a blind test dose.

SERIESLY... do you think I am just paranoid? They would not want a good crisis to go to waste...


16 posted on 08/18/2009 2:34:53 PM PDT by NEMDF
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To: Blueflag

Just so you know, here’s what you’d be welcoming the corpsman to inject into your body - and by the way - there have been NO clinical trials of this stuff!

The adjuvants listed include in this vaccine [among many other hideous things] *formaldehyde*.


The following is an incomplete (but significant) list of vaccine ingredients: GlaxoSmithKline Plc based in London Vaccine Ingredients: Aluminum adjuvant: an aluminum-containing compound. It releases the antigen [an active substance that is capable of generating an enhanced immune response from the body, and then reacting with the products from that response], causing strong, enhanced antibody response ­what Dr. Mercola calls a “turbo charge” to the body’s immune system. It has been linked to Gulf War Syndrome that has caused tremendous permanent damage to thousands of military.(7) Aluminum is a known cause of cognitive dysfunction.

AS03: The company’s proprietary squalene adjuvant. (See: squalene below)

Daronrix: Glaxo’s H5N1 bird flu vaccine.

Disodium phosphate: a white powder, water-soluble salt. It is used as an anti-caking additive in powdered products. This inorganic chemical is also used as a fungicide and microbiocide.

Formaldehyde: a known carcinogen and reproductive or developmental toxicant. Interestingly, according to PANNA, in 2007, California used 30,328 pounds of this carcinogen, as a microbiocide [a drug or other agent that can kill microbes] on the top 50 crops grown in the state.(8)

Octoxynol 10: (Also known as Triton X-100) A detergent, emulsifier, wetting and defoaming agent. [Octoxynol-9 is a spermatocide.] It can alter metabolic activity, damage membranes, and cause a rapid decline in cell function.

Polysorbate 80: Also known as Tween 80. It is used as an emulsifier in cosmetics, and is one of the ingredients in Gardasil, the cervical cancer vaccine that is being mandated/promoted for teen-age girls. This ingredient is known to cause infertility, grand mal convulsions, spontaneous abortions, and life-threatening anaphylactic shock. So far, 28 Gardasil deaths have been reported.

Sodium Chloride: Refined table salt. Salt is a naturally occurring complex mineral that balances the water inside and outside our cells. Refined salt, sodium chloride, is chemically treated and contains many other hidden chemicals that destroy natural salt’s healing abilities. The body can get most of its daily requirement by eating a well-balanced, organic diet —eliminating processed foods. A good source is untreated, natural sea salt.

Squalene: A natural oil found in sharks (mostly found in their livers) and humans. The American Journal of Pathology (2000) reported that rats injected with squalene triggered “chronic, immune-mediated joint-specific inflammation,” ­i.e., rheumatoid arthritis. How will this affect people who already have an immune inflammation, or will it cause untold new cases (lupus, chronic fatigue)? Squalene is being added to all new vaccines. It is linked to the thousands of military who have contracted “Gulf War Syndrome” and have suffered irreparable auto-immune damage, including lupis, multiple sclerosis, fibromyalgia, and rheumatoid arthritis.(9)

Thimersol: (MERCURY). Put in all multiple doses of vaccines. Any amount of mercury is highly toxic. There is no safe level. This is has been repeatedly linked to the increasing rates of autism, multiple sclerosis, and ADD.(10)

Vitamin E: This anti-oxidant vitamin helps protect the body’s red blood cell functions, and helps to oxygenate our tissues. The best sources are from organic, cold-pressed vegetable oils, such as wheat germ, sunflower seeds, and safflower. Vitamin E from corn or soybean oil now often comes from genetically engineered sources.

Baxter International Based in Chicago. Called “Celvapan” or its common name: pandemic influenza vaccine [H5N1]

NOTE: Adverse reactions include: headaches, dizziness, vertigo, nasopharyngitis, chills, fatigue, malaise, injection site pain. There is “no data on Celvapan vaccination dose and schedule for subjects under 18 years of age” and for subjects who are immuno-supressed. Vaccine Ingredients: African Green Monkey: Cultured cells are taken from this species of monkey through a process called “vero cell technology.” This species of monkey (and the tissue derived from it) have been implicated in transmitting several viruses, including HIV and polio. Baxter has “applied for a patent on a process using this type of cell culture to produce quantities of infecting virus, which are harvested, inactivated with formaldehyde and ultra violet light, and then detergent. Baxter has produced H5N1 [bird flu] whole virus vaccine in a Vero cell line derived from the kidney of an African green monkey.”(11) According to Dr. Mae-Wan Ho and Prof. Cummins, “details of the production of this vaccine have not yet been released to the public.”

Whole virus (H5N1) influenza vaccine, vero-celled derived. (See above.)

Trometamol: Also known as Tris (or Tris buffer) or THAM. An organic compound used as a buffer. May be harmful if inhaled. Avoid contact with eyes, skin, and clothing. Long-term effects: no data. Ecological information: no data.(12)

Sodium chloride, Polysorbate 80, and water [what kind? tap? fluoridated? chlorinated?] for injection.

Novartis International AG Based in Basel, Switzerland.

Called “Focetria” or its common name: pandemic influenza vaccine. Licensed May 8, 2007. NOTE: Adverse reactions include: headaches, sweating, joint pain, fever malaise, shivering, and pain at injection site. Vaccine Ingredients: Virus: The company is using a proprietary cell line. [Unknown is whether they are using dog or green monkey tissue.] By using this process, instead of growing the virus strain in chicken eggs, it “has cut weeks off the time required to begin vaccine production [to be done at its cell-based facility in Germany.”(13) According to the European Assessment Report (May 2007), “Focetria should not be given to patients who have an anaphylactic reaction (severe reaction) to an of the components of the vaccine, or to any substances found at trace levels in the vaccine, such as egg, chicken protein, kanamycin, or neomycin sulphate (two antibiotics), formaldehyde, cetyltrimethylammonium bromide (CTAB, a disinfectant used to sterilize utensils and instruments) and Polysorbate 80.” The CTAB Material Safety Data Sheet notes that its “chemical, physical, and toxicological properties have not been thoroughly investigated” but it “is irritating to mucous membranes and upper respiratory tract.”(14) PANNA also lists this as an herbicide and microbiocide.

Squalene: see above.

MF59: A proprietary oil-based adjuvant that and contains (according to Dr. Mae-Wan Ho and Prof. Cummins’s ISIS article, already cited) Tween 80, Span85, and squalene. The authors also note that MF59 has “substantially higher local reactogenicity and systemic toxicity than alum.” This adjuvant is part of a new generation of potent vaccine enhancers. In their book, “New Generation Vaccines” authors Levine, Kaper, Rappuoli, and Good note that “The precise mechanisms of action of most adjuvants still remain only partially understood.”(15) Animal rat studies using oil-based adjuvants have demonstrated severe reactions to them, including paralysis, crippling, auto-immune disorders, and severe arthritis, and immune system impact. The FDA has yet to approved this for used in any vaccine, according to Jane Burgermeister’s July 29 online report (previously cited).

Span85: Patented by the now defunct Chiron (bought by Novartis). Its chemical name is Sorbitan Trioleate. It is an oily liquid used in medicine, textiles, cosmetics, and paints as an emulsifier, anti-rust agent, and thickener. [Some factories in China specialize only in manufacturing Tween 80 and Span 85.] According to the Pesticide Action Network North America [PANNA], this chemical is used as a pesticide. It is also used as an adjuvant and is “toxic to humans, including carcinogenicity, reproductive and developmental toxicity, neurotoxicity, and acute toxicity.”(16)


17 posted on 08/18/2009 2:37:12 PM PDT by shibumi (" ..... then we will fight in the shade.")
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To: silverleaf

Seeing as how there’s nowhere near enough vaccine to go around, are they going to be there to protect the chosen ones from those to whom it is denied? No wonder they’re in a hurry to pass FediCare...dispensing placebos will be much easier then.


18 posted on 08/18/2009 2:37:13 PM PDT by WestTexasWend
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To: NEMDF

Now THAT’S the stuff of good novels! hehe

Where’s Dale Brown? We need the Megafortress fleet ;-)


19 posted on 08/18/2009 2:37:36 PM PDT by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitur)
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To: Blueflag

Not if he’s bearing a potassium shot for those who debate and disagree with this administration.


20 posted on 08/18/2009 2:39:15 PM PDT by ichabod1 (I am rolling over in my grave and I am not even dead yet (GOP Poet))
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To: Lucky9teen; dajeeps

ping to #17


21 posted on 08/18/2009 2:39:28 PM PDT by shibumi (" ..... then we will fight in the shade.")
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To: Lucky9teen

There are two huge ironies with this. The first is that this is not being done to prepare for the H1N1 Swine flu influenza, but the H5N1 Avian flu influenza.

That is, a “worst case scenario” for H1N1 is just three times the typical mortality for a flu season, 100,000 American dead instead of 39,000 dead that happens almost every year.

Compare that to H5N1, that could have projected mortality of as many as 30,000,000 Americans.

So the H1N1, even in a “worst case scenario” is just a “dry run”, but an important one. This is because the US is pulling out all the stops against H5N1. A close to “total war” emphasis on preventing millions of Americans from dying. Yet we know that the actual disease will be faster than our best efforts.

Our vaccine production used to be limited to just one or two companies, who once they got the “actual” strain of influenza, could produce only 30 million vaccinations in the following six months. While adequate for ordinary flu, this is intolerable when facing a killer disease the likes of which the world has never seen in humans.

So all the drug companies have been told to produce as much vaccine as possible, as fast as possible, and to distribute it as fast as possible. A huge undertaking. And one almost guaranteed to have problems. Which is why the H1N1 “dress rehearsal” is a godsend.

They aren’t going to be forcing people to be vaccinated, but they will *know* how much and how fast that probably unneccesary vaccine will get out to where it needs to be. Vital information.

The other huge irony of this is the efforts of the military. In truth, the Pentagon is utterly helpless, other than providing helping hands if major parts of the US economy are close to collapse.

That is, if for example, so many truckers are sick that they cannot transport food from the warehouses to the stores. Or to construct field hospitals for the sick, or help dispose of tens of thousands of human and animal bodies instead of them laying there and rotting.

I can say this with some confidence, because soldiers during an epidemic are either directed by doctors, or they are doing things that are ordinarily done by other people who are too sick to do them.

And likely a lot of soldiers will die while trying to help.


22 posted on 08/18/2009 2:39:45 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: Lucky9teen
And people scoffed when many of use voiced alarm at the proposed internment camps and ads for internment specialists in military circles.

They will use the swine flu as an excuse.

23 posted on 08/18/2009 2:41:13 PM PDT by rintense (Senior Marketing / IT / UX architect unemployed and looking for work. Freepmail me if you have leads)
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To: Salamander

You weren’t around, so I borrowed your info for #17.


24 posted on 08/18/2009 2:41:33 PM PDT by shibumi (" ..... then we will fight in the shade.")
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To: Blueflag

Our stupid dolittle Gov...would welcome the Obamanation...with open arms.


25 posted on 08/18/2009 2:41:54 PM PDT by Osage Orange (A community organizer cannot bitch when communities organize..... - Rush Limbaugh)
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To: NEMDF
RELATED
26 posted on 08/18/2009 2:43:04 PM PDT by Lucky9teen (I don't care if Obama was blue, it's his AGENDA & PLAN to destroy America & The Constitution I hate)
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To: Lucky9teen
It is worth noting that this involvement of the military is not being decided by the President, but by the Secretary of Defense, which suggests that the Pentagon is, in a key issue of of national interest, overriding the President and Commander in Chief. The US Congress has not been consulted on the issue.

I call Bravo Sierra.

27 posted on 08/18/2009 2:43:17 PM PDT by NonValueAdded (Caution: Angry crowds in the mirror are LARGER than they appear.)
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To: allmost
Read this........

http://www.fumento.com/disease/flu2005.html

28 posted on 08/18/2009 2:44:02 PM PDT by Osage Orange (A community organizer cannot bitch when communities organize..... - Rush Limbaugh)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

I always get the flu shot, but this swine flu vaccine I am going to stay away from. I have heard that there have been quite a few cases of one of the side effects being a nerve disorder that can eventually kill you.


29 posted on 08/18/2009 2:44:03 PM PDT by mware (F-R-E-E, that spells free. Free Republic.com baby.)
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To: Blueflag

Do you trust in getting the vax when it comes out?


30 posted on 08/18/2009 2:44:03 PM PDT by jusduat (probably lost)
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To: shibumi

My husband and I have agreed wholeheartedly....NO MORE VACCINES. There are waiver forms we will legally be signing from here on out.


31 posted on 08/18/2009 2:45:44 PM PDT by Lucky9teen (I don't care if Obama was blue, it's his AGENDA & PLAN to destroy America & The Constitution I hate)
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To: shibumi

shibumi —

Bearing in mind that I see your point about clinical trials and ‘stuff’ in an injectible ...

I used to be a cell physiologist before I decided I needed a real income.

If those chemicals, even in trace amounts worry you, then don’t drink tap water, don’t drink/eat anything in a package with an unrefrigerated shelf-life of more than 10 days, don’t shake anyone’s hand ... you get my point.

MY point is that, ignoring likely risks associated with a poorly tested H5N1 vaccine, the logically projected (not hyped) mortality rates of H5N1 infection in a population of moderately healthy, non-immuno-compromised young adults and older kids is scarily high. It really would be important to try to stop/contain a genuine outbreak AND inoculate the healthy at-risk population. That does imply a trusted provider of said inoculation.

I trust a Marine. I hope I can trust his chain of command.


32 posted on 08/18/2009 2:46:11 PM PDT by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitur)
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To: Lucky9teen; All

A warning that the new swine flu jab is linked to a deadly nerve disease has been sent by the Government to senior neurologists in a confidential letter.

The letter from the Health Protection Agency, the official body that oversees public health, has been leaked to The Mail on Sunday, leading to demands to know why the information has not been given to the public before the vaccination of millions of people, including children, begins.

It tells the neurologists that they must be alert for an increase in a brain disorder called Guillain-Barre Syndrome (GBS), which could be triggered by the vaccine.

GBS attacks the lining of the nerves, causing paralysis and inability to breathe, and can be fatal.

The letter, sent to about 600 neurologists on July 29, is the first sign that there is concern at the highest levels that the vaccine itself could cause serious complications.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1206807/Swine-flu-jab-link-killer-nerve-disease-Leaked-letter-reveals-concern-neurologists-25-deaths-America.html#ixzz0OIjnnnPO


33 posted on 08/18/2009 2:47:55 PM PDT by mware (F-R-E-E, that spells free. Free Republic.com baby.)
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To: Lucky9teen

I heard a local healthcare official say a few days ago that if a patient shows flu-like symptoms, it’s reported as ‘Swine Flu’ , with no verification.

Swine flu was reported to be ‘sweeping’ through the Duke football team.
Then reported so mild players were back in a few days.

IMHO a bunch of hype. Bird flu scare didn’t work out so they dredge this one up.


34 posted on 08/18/2009 2:48:59 PM PDT by Vinnie (You're Nobody 'Til Somebody Jihads You)
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To: Blueflag

You DO think I am paranoid, don’t you? Everyone does!


35 posted on 08/18/2009 2:49:32 PM PDT by NEMDF
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To: Lucky9teen

Everyday I read and listen to things like this and wonder whether we’ve just slipped into a Twilight Zone mania groupthink or whether there’s a real danger in these events coming true. Either way, it’s making alot of people feel unduely paranoid, myself included.


36 posted on 08/18/2009 2:49:57 PM PDT by OB1kNOb (Extreme right-winged mob terrorist astroturfing bitter clinging racist birther evilmongering wingnut)
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To: jusduat

Hard to say. Depends on the info available, and the source/verification thereof.

Quality and efficacy will vary from batch to batch/ supplier to supplier.

The point again is that H1N1 is a few sick days; H5N1 is legitimately a death sentence for millions, and catastrophic social disruption. H5N1 hits the core of the population the hardest - our ‘producers’.

If you are a ‘bug out kit’ kinda person/family, subscribe to google alerts for H5N1. Right now it’s all noise and paranoia, BUT if there ever is a human-to-human vector and an H5N1 outbreak, you’ll have 10 - 30 days MAX to be self-sufficient for 90 days.


37 posted on 08/18/2009 2:52:13 PM PDT by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitur)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

good post ;-) (seriously)


38 posted on 08/18/2009 2:52:42 PM PDT by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitur)
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To: Blueflag

Thank you for the reply. It is certainly something to
keep an eye on.


39 posted on 08/18/2009 2:56:24 PM PDT by jusduat (probably lost)
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To: Lucky9teen
" Civilian authorities would lead any relief efforts in the event of a major outbreak, the official said...The decision points towards the militarization of civilian institutions, including law enforcement and public health."

Uhuh. Michel is full of it. I suspect that the root of the scare propaganda is on the left--attempts to frighten the more gullible voters into committing crimes. The left does like to drum up some trouble.

If US military forces are given a humanitarian mission, that's all that they'll do. Soldiers will not suddenly become zombies. ...been there in places where the Army did such missions.

People watch way too much subversive, commie television.


40 posted on 08/18/2009 2:59:08 PM PDT by familyop (cbt. engr. (cbt), NG, '89-' 96, Duncan Hunter or no-vote)
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To: Lucky9teen
At least 50 or so airman from a Special Operations squadron at Hurlburt Field Fla have come down with the swine flu. Another 70 or so have been quarantined.

I suppose they can use the military who have already have been exposed to "shoot" the public with vaccinations.

Want to avoid the shot? Swear you are allergic to eggs. I am :)

sw

41 posted on 08/18/2009 3:04:04 PM PDT by spectre (Spectre's wife (Seniors Rule!)
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To: Lucky9teen
"I believe it is generated mass hysteria......by the government. What’s new?"

...through Mr. Chossudovsky, from his little wordpress blog?


42 posted on 08/18/2009 3:15:14 PM PDT by familyop (cbt. engr. (cbt), NG, '89-' 96, Duncan Hunter or no-vote)
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To: shibumi

You all give Obama way too much credit for intelligence. All he is is a talking head and has failed at nearly everything he’s tried to do. He’s had a little success, but even the stupidest of people get lucky once in a while.


43 posted on 08/18/2009 3:23:45 PM PDT by dajeeps
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To: Blueflag

I think a number of States’ governors might object to any sort of action like this, as would their respective National Guard units.

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Would the White House Office of Urban Affairs come into play?

http://www.whitehouse.gov/the_press_office/Executive-Order-Establishment-of-the-White-House-Office-of-Urban-Affairs/


44 posted on 08/18/2009 3:46:18 PM PDT by JavaJumpy
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To: R. Scott
When President Reagan fired the air traffic controllers, the military supplied susbstitutes.

The Civil Reserve Air Fleet is a plan to federalize all airlines in case of a national emergency.

45 posted on 08/18/2009 3:52:22 PM PDT by pfflier
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To: Abigail Adams

Bookmark for later.


46 posted on 08/18/2009 4:46:05 PM PDT by Abigail Adams
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To: Blueflag
"then don’t drink tap water, don’t drink/eat anything in a package with an unrefrigerated shelf-life of more than 10 days, don’t shake anyone’s hand ..."

As a matter of fact, despite the junk food jokes I have made here (at my own expense)The preponderance of my diet is highly holistic and chem-free. I do have to shake hands with people regularly, but I'm also a compulsive hand washer. (Said while munching on a SPAM sandwich followed by a Little Debbie's Fudge Round.)

Seriesly, I trust the Marines to do what they are trained to do - kill people and blow things up. I further believe the Chain of Command to be hopelessly compromised, past the Flag Officer level.
47 posted on 08/18/2009 10:45:10 PM PDT by shibumi (" ..... then we will fight in the shade.")
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To: pfflier

Yep. Nothing new.


48 posted on 08/19/2009 3:25:04 AM PDT by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink)
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To: Blueflag
As a member of the USMC no I would not welcome my fellow brother at my door who is under orders to grab and vaccinate me against my will for the "good of the Country". My government is not suppose to be my Mother for Christ sake. I am a legal citizen, a tax payer, a voter, and will not be "told" to take my medicine like a good little child. Come at me with a needle, that I did not ask for, and meet my needle called K-Bar.
49 posted on 08/23/2009 9:09:00 PM PDT by Shadowstrike (Be polite, Be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet.)
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To: Blueflag
Didn't the WHO release a report on August 11, that there were confirmed reports of human-to human H5N1 out there? or did I read that wrong?
50 posted on 08/23/2009 9:18:16 PM PDT by Shadowstrike (Be polite, Be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet.)
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