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Reasons For Texas To Secede
TheCypressTimes.com ^ | 08/20/2009 | Lane Haley

Posted on 08/20/2009 6:05:37 AM PDT by Patriot1259

The United States Constitution guarantees us numerous rights and liberties, but the ones most essential and inalienable are those of life, liberty, and property. As I am writing this entry, there are scores of constitution maggots in DC working to erode those very rights which we hold dear. The finest examples of this are the two pieces of legislation currently awaiting a vote; cap-and-trade and health care.

These two pieces of legislation are heinous by design. Health care, simply put, gives the government command of every aspect of an individual’s life, effectively turning citizens into subjects. Once the government owns an individual’s health, the government owns the individual and every right guaranteed under the first 8 amendments of the US Constitution can be circumnavigated on the bases of public health and cost to the government. In fact, cap-and-trade can be implemented under the health-care bill as a means to provide a healthier, and thereby more cost effective, environment for the population. The health care bill decimates the constitution and our personal freedoms denying us of liberty and, in some cases, life.

Cap-and-Trade threatens to deny many of us property. Woven in the fabric of the bill is an energy policy defunct of logic. It allocates billions of dollars for, and prioritizes alternative energy sources whose technologies do not work, and which take enormous amounts of land in order to be even remotely viable.

(Excerpt) Read more at thecypresstimes.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; Local News; Politics
KEYWORDS: secede; secession; statesrights; texas; usoppression
Lane Haley, a 37 year old Texas rancher has written an op/ed encouraging Texas to secede from the United States due what he calls a despotic government in the U.S.
1 posted on 08/20/2009 6:05:37 AM PDT by Patriot1259
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To: Patriot1259

If the USA goes Communist I will join him.


2 posted on 08/20/2009 6:09:57 AM PDT by screaminsunshine (!!)
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To: Patriot1259

The whole problem with Texas seceding would be the influx of people from all the other states.

We sure don’t need that in Texas. We would need genuine immigration control.


3 posted on 08/20/2009 6:15:11 AM PDT by Dudoight
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To: screaminsunshine
If the USA goes Communist I will join him.

How are you defining "going Communist"?

It's not going to be an overnight, one-bill event. We're already more than halfway there, if not all the way. We just don't call it that due to political correctness.

What is your tipping point?

4 posted on 08/20/2009 6:17:27 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: Patriot1259

Both sets of my great grand parents came to TX one around 1885, the other before 1870, of course, in covered wagons.

I love Texas. Maybe if we seceded all the liberals would leave and go to Barney Frank’s or Pelosi’s districts.


5 posted on 08/20/2009 6:23:59 AM PDT by Dudoight
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To: ShadowAce

Health Care, Cap and Trade and Immigration. We can recover from the coming financial disaster and rebuild. We can never recover from this legislation.


6 posted on 08/20/2009 6:25:05 AM PDT by screaminsunshine (!!)
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To: Dudoight

The whole problem with Texas seceding would be the influx of people from all the other states.
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That would be only one of the problems, of which there would be quite a few.

30% of the money in the Texas budget comes from the fed. Granted there are federal mandates that would be able to be scrapped, but that’s still a lot of scratch.

What does it cost these days to convert your state to its own country?


7 posted on 08/20/2009 6:28:35 AM PDT by dmz
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To: Patriot1259

I think that if Texas DID secede, a few other states would probably secede also........


8 posted on 08/20/2009 6:29:11 AM PDT by Le Chien Rouge
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To: Patriot1259

Throughout the 37 States with Sovereignty Resolutions, August 29th will be a day set down in history when We The People gave our government the option to either restore our Individual and State Sovereignty, nullify ALL Federal legislation that is unconstitutional, and restore our God-given, unalienable rights, or we will be forced to exercise the right our Founders set down in the Declaration of Independence and abolish our government (secede) and start a new government that will adhere to our contract with government that we call a Constitution.

This is not and should not be a violent confrontation. Violence is not condoned by anyone involved. However, we are exercising our rights and our duty to compel the restoration of our sovereignty and rights (alter our government) or it will leave us with no choice but secession.

Here in Texas, we’ll be meeting with the Governor with the petition you find here. We’ll also have the support of Rep. Leo Berman and all other representatives who support Leo’s Sovereignty Bill and House Bill 1863 that nullifies all Federal legislation that does not have explicit authorization within the U.S. Constitution. We’ll also be demanding the dismantling of all State agencies that have been created to support unconstitutionally authorized Federal agencies. We will demand that all support of illegal aliens be stopped in Texas and that the Governor deploy our National Guard and other volunteer citizens along our southern border to stem the tide of illegal immigration.

At the same time we deliver this to Governor Perry, we will also have copies of this petition and demand delivered to every county courthouse and County Sheriff throughout the State of Texas, effectively putting our local public servants on notice that they will be held accountable to the letter of their Oath of Office.

http://www.drawaline.org/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfABk3CybFQ&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Ethe912project%2Eus%2Fgroup%2FTexas&feature=player_embedded


9 posted on 08/20/2009 6:30:38 AM PDT by broken_arrow1 (I regret that I have but one life to give for my country - Nathan Hale "Patriot")
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To: dmz
30% of the money in the Texas budget comes from the fed.

That would easily be made up (and more) because then Texas would not be sending any federal taxes to the fed.

It's actually a net gain for Texas as (I think I've heard this) Texas only gets about 87% of the money that it sends to DC.

10 posted on 08/20/2009 6:32:12 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: Le Chien Rouge

Agreed - IMO at a minimum it would also include Oklahoma & Louisianna - banding with Texas


11 posted on 08/20/2009 6:37:18 AM PDT by VRWCTexan (Obama-scare is the "real" Cash for Clunker Program!)
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To: screaminsunshine
Health Care, Cap and Trade and Immigration.

Right--but at what point in those topics is your tipping point? Health Care is not gonna go through as originally proposed. But some portion of it will. Is that enough? Maybe just a little bit more?

Immigration is another "boiling frog" approach to legislation. One step here. Another there. No vote for them, but perhaps if we...(whatever)...it'll show we're more humanitarian than others think of us. These are people for goodness sake! We can't discriminate against them!

See what I mean? This slide to socialism isn't quick. It's been going on for 50+ years. There's no reason to speed it up.

OTOH, I have also been noticing that slide speeding up. I'm not sure why the recent change, but it's there. Luckily, I already know the endgame, and I know what side to be on. I won't be comfortable for a while, but I will be right.

12 posted on 08/20/2009 6:38:08 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: dmz

We would have to review what how that Fed money is allotted. We have loads of natural gas that is being regulated by the RR commission, we could lift that regulation.

I would like to think Texans would step up to the plate and make up the difference. Give them freedom, security, etc. and they will find a way.


13 posted on 08/20/2009 6:44:59 AM PDT by Dudoight
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To: Dudoight

Well...

I may not have been born in Texas but I grew up there. I went to school (K-12) there. I learned about what real freedom is there (among other things).

I was dragged out of Texas kicking and screaming and Im still trying to find my way back there. I currently exist in Wisconsin and work in Chicago and Im suffocating here.

If Texas finally does the right thing and shrugs off the tyranny of this marxist fedgov, I will respectfully request re admittance as a native Texan who wants to come home.


14 posted on 08/20/2009 6:45:22 AM PDT by myself6 (.)
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To: myself6

We would most certainly welcome you back...you just gotta love Texas and all it represents.


15 posted on 08/20/2009 6:47:58 AM PDT by Dudoight
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To: VRWCTexan

Told my family members still in Louisiana that we (Texas) would take everything west of Baton Rouge. TEX-LA-OK would be an energy rich nation. We would have to come to grips with the border issue.


16 posted on 08/20/2009 6:51:19 AM PDT by Bayou Dittohead
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To: Patriot1259

Take a look at the Texas Nationalist Movement, a reported 250,000 members and growing. I joined after hearing the organization’s president make a very clear presentation covering the reasons for and the path to Texas Independence.

This is not a fringe group of “wingnuts”. It is a group of citizens demanding freedom from government control and determined to have it.

http://www.texasnationalist.com/


17 posted on 08/20/2009 7:02:31 AM PDT by Cherrybark (Flint, Texas)
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To: Patriot1259

I don’t need any other reason to secede but that it’s Thursday.


18 posted on 08/20/2009 7:11:22 AM PDT by bgill (The evidence simply does not support the official position of the Obama administration)
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To: dmz

30% of Texas’ money may come from the Fed, but I’m willing to bet that as a productive state that’s less than what the Fed gets out of them in income taxes and other fees, it would either be a wash or a net positive for the state...


19 posted on 08/20/2009 7:11:48 AM PDT by Axenolith (Government blows, and that which governs least, blows least...)
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To: myself6

From a native of 4+ generations

“Texas is not where you were born, but is a State of Mind, Heart and Attitude”

The essence is:

“Leave us alone to live our lives in peace and we will get along fine, if that is not satisfactory, we will deal with it.”


20 posted on 08/20/2009 7:13:05 AM PDT by Texas Fossil (The last time I looked, this is still Texas where I live.)
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To: VRWCTexan

I’d welcome Oklahome but I’ll pass on the Chocolate City.


21 posted on 08/20/2009 7:13:06 AM PDT by bgill (The evidence simply does not support the official position of the Obama administration)
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To: dmz
What does it cost these days to convert your state to its own country?

Blood?

22 posted on 08/20/2009 7:29:39 AM PDT by central_va ( http://www.15thvirginia.org/)
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To: central_va

“Blood”

Some things just don’t change, do they.


23 posted on 08/20/2009 7:49:36 AM PDT by Texas Fossil (The last time I looked, this is still Texas where I live.)
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To: broken_arrow1

If Texas ever actually does something like that, then I would imagine other states to follow too.


24 posted on 08/20/2009 7:50:15 AM PDT by Sprite518
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To: ShadowAce

If they are passed.


25 posted on 08/20/2009 8:20:24 AM PDT by screaminsunshine (!!)
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To: screaminsunshine

“If the USA goes Communist I will join him.”

You’re a little late there Screamin’. We’re just living under the illusion that this is a republic.


26 posted on 08/20/2009 8:22:31 AM PDT by dljordan
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To: Bayou Dittohead

“TEX-LA-OK would be an energy rich nation.”

Can Colorado join? We’ve got this natural gas and oil-shale thingy going up here.


27 posted on 08/20/2009 8:25:08 AM PDT by dljordan
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To: dljordan

I would go to Texas as well if this happens. Even though I would be characterized as an illegal alien, I would work to earn my keep including joining the state’s national guard.


28 posted on 08/20/2009 8:58:12 AM PDT by Welcome2thejungle
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To: dmz

But don’t forget to consider how much money is being taken FROM Texas by the feds in many forms such as income taxes, corporate taxes and many others that would no longer be leaving Texas. That money could be put to much better use if it were to stay in Texas. Also Texas would no longer be hobbled by federal regulations on offshore drilling etc.


29 posted on 08/20/2009 9:22:23 AM PDT by rfreedom4u (Diversity causes division and resentment.)
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To: Texas Fossil

My ancestors immigrated to the Republic of Texas in 1840 from Prussia. Prior to Prussia they fled France because of religious persecution.


30 posted on 08/20/2009 9:26:04 AM PDT by rfreedom4u (Diversity causes division and resentment.)
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To: rfreedom4u

Were they Jewish, Heugonot, or Menonite?

Most of my ancestors came to Texas during Reconstruction after the last Civil War. Some of my relatives were here during the Republic.

My family has farmed in Haskell county for over 110 years.

Texas has never had a history of religious intolerance, but it has a history of resisting oppression.


31 posted on 08/20/2009 9:39:47 AM PDT by Texas Fossil (The last time I looked, this is still Texas where I live.)
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To: Patriot1259

I can’t imagine the Feds ever allowing any state to secede, but even if we did, the cities are infested with huge numbers of social parasites — what would we do about them?


32 posted on 08/20/2009 10:19:50 AM PDT by TexasRepublic (Socialism = organized crime)
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To: TexasRepublic
I can’t imagine the Feds ever allowing any state to secede, but even if we did, the cities are infested with huge numbers of social parasites — what would we do about them?

Be productive or be gone. Welfare to workfare.

Do acknowledge there are genuine needs for a temporary societal 'safety net'. But since the "Great Society' era, this safety net has evolved into a permanent entitlement hammock.

Societal parasites should be given a fair chance...to contribute to Texas's welfare, security, productivety. Notwithstanding that option..also have the option for a one-way transit to the US Obama state of their choosing.

33 posted on 08/20/2009 10:37:48 AM PDT by Stand Watch Listen
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To: ShadowAce
No vote for them, but perhaps if we...(whatever)...it'll show we're more humanitarian than others think of us. These are people for goodness sake! We can't discriminate against them!

I was right!

34 posted on 08/20/2009 10:47:08 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: screaminsunshine

I meant to ping you to #34


35 posted on 08/20/2009 10:47:49 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: Texas Fossil

Huegonots! Part of the family went to Colorado which is where I am currently stationed. We’ve had a long line of military members dating from prior to the War Between the States. Or as I recently learned, the War of Northern Aggression.


36 posted on 08/20/2009 11:50:20 AM PDT by rfreedom4u (Diversity causes division and resentment.)
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To: rfreedom4u

I have no know Huguenot or French ancestry, but have been a history student most of my life.

There was an interesting history discussion about the French Huguenots posted on FR some months ago that you might enjoy reading. I posted several links that I found very interesting reads.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/2275536/posts?q=1&;page=51

see post 73 (and others)

Regards,

TF


37 posted on 08/20/2009 12:59:00 PM PDT by Texas Fossil (The last time I looked, this is still Texas where I live.)
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To: Stand Watch Listen
"I can’t imagine the Feds ever allowing any state to secede"

I know it sounds ridiculous but "Free men do not have to ask permission".

38 posted on 08/20/2009 1:04:05 PM PDT by Texas Fossil (The last time I looked, this is still Texas where I live.)
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To: Texas Fossil
I know it sounds ridiculous but “Free men do not have to ask permission”.


Maybe not but are we really ‘free men’ ......... My guess is for Texas to even attempt to succeed in today's environment the people of the state would not vote in favor. JMO.

39 posted on 08/20/2009 1:08:35 PM PDT by deport
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To: deport

I am not for secession, but if put to a vote, I expect the percentage for it would astound you.

I have heard numbers between 25-55% kicked around. If Cap & Trade and the Obama Care pass, I would say it would pass in a Refferendum.

Texas will never be subjugated. Will not happen. Texas Nationalism is not dead, by a long shot.

No sane person wants War, but it sometimes is necessary and happens. You can never predict the outcome of things like this.


40 posted on 08/20/2009 1:17:01 PM PDT by Texas Fossil (The last time I looked, this is still Texas where I live.)
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To: Texas Fossil

You can never predict the outcome of things like this.


On that statement I agree.


41 posted on 08/20/2009 1:21:27 PM PDT by deport
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To: deport

“The People” did not vote for secession from England either. It was a small group of men who actually made the decision.


42 posted on 08/20/2009 1:29:05 PM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: ShadowAce

The Democrats are the Loyalists. The Republican Party represents no one. In fact our faction could be called “Nationalist”. (Taking a page from Spanish History textbook)


43 posted on 08/20/2009 1:32:40 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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To: ShadowAce

It was a small group of men who actually made the decision.


Whatever......... but I doubt it would happen that way today. When Texas left the union in 1861 it was done with a Secession Convention in which the Ordinance of Secession was adopted 166-8. In other words the people were represented.


44 posted on 08/20/2009 1:41:13 PM PDT by deport
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To: Sprite518

South Carolina would be next.


45 posted on 08/20/2009 1:42:40 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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To: MinorityRepublican
South Carolina would be next.

That would be awesome.

46 posted on 08/22/2009 8:31:49 AM PDT by TheFourthMagi
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To: Cherrybark
This is not a fringe group of “wingnuts”

The wingnuts never define themselves as such. They're literally the last to know.

47 posted on 08/29/2009 7:02:27 PM PDT by Melas
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