Posted on 08/24/2009 9:39:06 PM PDT by TheFreedomPoster
EVERY AMERICAN MUST TAKE TEN SHORT MINUTES OUT OF THEIR TIME AND WATCH THIS VIDEO!!! It is imperative that all Americans understand the difference between the different forms of of government, why we are a Republic, and why we must fight to maintain it.
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republic is representative form of govt., democracy is MOB RULE.
Hmmm, I think the constitution mentions something about a “republican form of government”.
The Constitution, huh?
We are a Democracy otherwise why would we promote Democracy around the world, as in Iraq? /S
yeah it does
We are a Constitutional Republic.
A Democracy is ... Council of 2 Wolves and 1 SHEEP ..voting on ... WHAT’S FOR DINNER!
As in Iraq , they have a Parliamentary Democracy... They have one thing that We DO NOT HAVE...!
They can call a “NO CONFIDENCE VOTE”.. and call for new elections...
They can fire the whole damn bunch... WE CANNOT.
I’m Jealous
/sarc
That video was produced by the JOHN BIRCH SOCIETY and was written and narrated by the current head of the JBS, Mr. John McManus.
You older folks may recall that the JBS was made radioactive by the same lamesteam media now on board with Obama’s socialist agenda.
Here’s another video to help you understand why the loopy left has hated the JBS for the 50+ years of its existance and had to TRY to destroy it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQGRf2wo2_w
THEY FAILED and freedom has a web address. It’s http://www.jbs.org.
Yes, article four, section four, I believe. Would seem to me, all who have voted for socialist programs have violated their oath of office. Tar and feather time!
Why? We are a Republic founded in the principles of individual rights which come from the creator.
No need to preach the whole enumerated and Bill Rights stuff but, why promote something that is clearly antithetical to the right of the individual and try to tell everyone they are going to be like us?
They can't be like us. They are Democracy and in a Democracy the individual right is subsumed to the state and group power. The state can take you and your stuff with no recourse.
In our Republic, the State(supposedly) works for the citizen and we have the right Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness. That right is bonded to the individual in guarantee and the ability to protect Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness by the 2nd amendment.
We have the right to defend our life and property to ensure it is whole, without qualifiers and frees us from the tyranny that is endemic in all other forms of government.
So why promote Democracy? It hasn't been helpful in France or Bolivia.
The video is wrong, sorry.
The United States is a Republic AND a Democracy.
If the United States was a "Republic, not a democracy", you'd have guys like this in charge:
The day we abolish democracy in America is the day I leave. I have no interest living in an undemocratic Republic like North Korea.
Well said. We are a Republic with Democratic ideals. I think somewhat balanced as opposed to one or the other.
Why promote a Republic? It hasn't been very helpful in North Korea, Iran, or the USSR. Come to think of it, it hasn't been very useful in France or Bolivia either (they're both Republics). Iran became a Republic in 1979 when they ousted the Shah, and it's been downhill every since then.
A Republic means absolutely nothing if it's not a free Republic. I'd much rather live in the Kingdom of Australia than the Republic of Cuba, wouldn't you?
We certainly have a form of democracy in the U.S. though. Cuba is a shining example of what happens when you allow no democracy whatsoever in a Republic.
The CONSTITUTION Says we are a REPUBLIC ...The reason this country is in so much trouble is that our politicians are so STUPID and Are running things like a Democracy..
Personally I like the Idea of a Constitutional Republic.. and anyone of those STUPID POLITICIANS act like it’s a Democracy ... deserves either tar and feathers or a quick lesson in the 2nd AMENDMENT!
story goes a woman asks Ben Franklin “Sir, what kind of government have you given us” .. Franklin alleged to reply “A Republic, madam, IF you can Keep it.”
And, unfortunately, we’ve handed our Republic to a bunch of Marxists claiming we are a Democracy
you’ve seen the old western movies.. the MOB Outside declares the crook in the jail guilty, and they take him out and HANG HIM... that is DEMOCRACY in Action.
Federalism was therefore manifestly founded upon a mistake, on the supposed existence of sufficient political virtue, and on the permanency and authority of the public morals. The party now in power committed no such mistake. They acted upon what men actually are, not what they ought to be . . .They inflamed the ignorant; they flattered the vain; they offered novelty to the restless; and promised plunder to the base. The envious were assured that the great should fall; and the ambitious that they should become great . . . we are descending from a supposed orderly and stable republican government into a licentious democracy . . . a government by the passions of the multitude, or, no less correctly, according to the vices and ambitions of their leaders is a democracy . . .
Ames, like Roger Sherman and Gouverneur Morris, is one of those founders and framers not often taught in schools because....they lost. The Republic they created began to fall apart in the election of 1800. We are all Jeffersonians now.....
Those pictures are Disgusting... you should re read the constituton.... you can get one free from Heritage Foundation..
this country is not and was never a Democracy.To compare our constitutional Republic to those SCUMBAGS ...
the use the term either Federated Republic or People’s Republic... which comes from MARX’s People’s Paradise.
Actually , I”d like to leave, myself... seeing what this country has become...Mention the Constitution to an elected official and they LAUGH... 2nd Amendment TIME.
Once again ..in it’s most basic form, a true Democracy is 2 wolves and a sheep.. voting on ... what’s for Dinner.
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Democracy is the road to socialism. -Karl Marx
Democracy is indispensable to socialism. The goal of socialism is communism. -V.I. Lenin
The meaning of peace is the absence of opposition to socialism .-Karl Marx
We contend that for a nation to try to tax itself into prosperity is like a man standing in a bucket and trying to lift himself up by the handle.~Winston Churchill (1874-1965)
"How do you tell a Socialist:- It's someone who reads Marx and Lenin. And how do you tell an Anti-Socialist someone who understands Marx and Lenin" -Ronald Reagan
I have no problem with people saying America is a Republic, but it bothers me when any conservative loathes the word "democracy" and uses it like a curse word.
Exactly. Republicanism, like monarchy and democracy, is a form. It can be good or bad. Content is what matters. I maintain that more than freedom is needed for a republic to succeed. See the quote by Fisher Ames above.
Australia is fine ... hand over your HANDGUNS,.. they are ILLEGAL and CONFISCATED . Iran is an ISLAMIC REPUBLIC which is so much of an OXYMORON, that was IGNORANT to even include it.
the others use
Republic as in Marx’s PEOPLE”s Republic... which is why we have a CONSTITUTIONal Republic.
**but it bothers me when any conservative loathes the word “democracy” and uses it like a curse word.**
As Monica Lewinsky once said ... “I’m voting Republican. The Democrats left a bad taste in my mouth!”
/sarc
Really? Explain how I'm able to go to the polls every two years and get to vote on ballot referendums like tax increases? I'm not an official in government yet I can change laws by voting. I, as an individual citizen, make decisions for government. You can't do that in places like Cuba or China. You can only do that in democracy's
>> To compare our constitutional Republic to those SCUMBAGS ... <<
Hey, you're the one saying a Republic without democracy is such a great idea. I just gave you a list of countries that fit that criteria. Every nation in the world agrees those nations are Republics, and they do not have democracy. I'm not comparing us to those scumbags at all. We have democracy, THEY don't. If you have a problem with democracy, take it up with Congress and ask them to enact constitution like Cuba's to prevent individual citizens from deciding their government. Democracy is simply latin for "people rule". Of course it could result in "mob rule", but letting individual citizens decide their government's policies is not inherently evil as you suggest. Here in America, we the people decide to represents us in Congress. Over in Cuba, Castro decides who represents them in Congress. Both America and Cuba are a "Republic". The difference is one allows democracy and the other doesn't. See what happens when you take away Democracy?
>> the use the term either Federated Republic or People’s Republic... <<
Well some of those commie nations use the term "People's Republic", in Cuba it's just plain "Republic of Cuba" though, no "Federated" or "People's" in the title. Everyone on planet recognizes they're a Republic. Again, you're the ones claiming a Republic without democracy is such a swell idea, not me. I'm not the one who agrees with communists that democracy is bad and we can't allow it.
But yes, democracy has it's place and certainly shares a subsumed role in our republic.
I agree. For example, regardless of what "the founders" did, I would support amending the constitution to allow voters to have say in who our federal judges our, since these guys get a cushy lifetime appointment and our politicians never hold activist judges accountable. We elect all our judges in my state and the system works well.
The scary thing is some "conservatives" who post on FR actually argue the opposite, they claim LESS freedom is needed and individual citizens have too much power now. They're all for big government, except they want more powerful government at the state level instead of the federal level. I've seen freepers actually argue that the solution to everything is to put it in the hands of their state government.
They actually seem to agree with liberals that America is far better off when the "enlightened few" decide everything behind closed doors. That any "conservative" would embrace this idea that more government is the answer to our problems is disturbing to me.
This Constitutional Republic has at it’s foundation the rule of law, whereas a democracy has in it’s spirit the rule man, many or mobs.
Sorry about the font in #25
YOu live in KALIFORNIYA????
YOu vote for a referendum and some marxist judge
says UNconstitutional. That’s not Democracy. I don’t have such right in NY.
I’ve given the example before I guess I’ll have to do it again. Democracy is MOB RULE.. MAJORITY RULE. The Referendum is ... WHATS for DINNER... the entire town of 2 WOLVES and 1 SHEEP cast their votes...
Go read Mark Levin’s Book “Liberty and Tyranny”. That will explain your errors in logic much better than I can .
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**they claim LESS freedom is needed and individual citizens have too much power now. They’re all for big government, except they want more powerful government at the state level instead of the federal level.**
The only people I’ve seem make the “FIrst part of that statement”.. Are RINO’s, Countryclub Repukes, or TROLLS. The founders hoped for more federalism.. where the Federal Govt is limited to the 28 or so enumerated duties, and that most Laws (as Needed) should be at either the State or LOCAL Level. at local level, a musket can reach across the street much easier than to reach Washington DC.
Once again... read Mark Levin’s book .. it can explain much better than we can.
Ummm, no. California is not the only state with ballot refrenedums. Try again. California does have recall laws, my state doesn't, so California has more democracy than my state. But of course letting the people recall their citizens might result in "mob rule", right? Can't let the little people have more power of the state like that.
>> and some marxist judge says UNconstitutional. That’s not Democracy. <<
Correct. That is why we need MORE democracy in America, not less. We need to stop activist judges from overriding democracy and the will of we the people.
>> I don’t have such right in NY. I’ve given the example before I guess I’ll have to do it again. Democracy is MOB RULE.. <<
Not to worry, you could change that. For example if New York simply altered their laws so Governor Patterson appointed all the members of the NY State Senate and NY State House, you wouldn't have to worry "the entire town of 2 WOLVES and 1 SHEEP cast their votes". If you feel it would be better if all your government officials were chosen for by bureaucrats instead of the people, that's your business. Nobody is stopping you from lobbying to take away power from the people and giving it to corrupt government officials. Knock yourself out if you really feel less democracy would be better for New York.
>> Go read Mark Levin’s Book “Liberty and Tyranny”. That will explain your errors in logic much better than I can . <<
I have an even easier lesson. Watch this video if you really want to know about "the intent of the founders" and what happening to "democracy" in America. We The People need to take back our country from political hacks. It might correct the errors of your ways:
Politicians use "democracy" to sum it up because they know the boobs will swallow it. It's that simple. It's just boilerplate BS to most of em.
Really? On almost every one of these threads I've seen "conservative" freepers make the argument that this country was "ruined" once we allowed individual citizens to choose their Senators, and that state bureaucrats would do a much better job. It will be a cold day in hell before I let the crooks in my state legislature pick my Senator for me.
DAMMIT KID... you’re picking Fly dropping out of the BLACK PEPPER. We’re on the same page... you’re just PUSHING something farther than necessary .... NOTHING in our discussion is EITHER/OR ...
BACK to ONE.. lets try again
I’m already buying AMMO.... \
and.. Don’t trust ANYTHING you learned in any HISTORY CLASS in Highschool or at Columbia. You Have to read Mark Levin’s book ..
**Can’t let the little people have more power of the state like that.**
I’d pour my beer in your LAP for that one.
looked at your profile.. with your degree... you’re going to have to also learn when to remain quiet or remain Unemployed.. until we manage to get things changed a little more... check my link..you’ll understand.
Gotta read Levin’s book..
You watch this video and I’ll read Levin’s book. All this stuff about us having “too much democracy” and “leading to mob rule” is B.S. Politicians in Washington don’t give a crap what We The People think anymore. The idea that they’d ever let us all vote on Obamacare or Porkulus in a direct democracy is laughable. We need more democracy, not less.
Watch the video and see what’s happening in America:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jeYscnFpEyA&feature=channel_page
sorry ...EFF the film ..READ the book while I’m getting more AMMO.
When the Constitution was first put together, the Congress was to be elected by the people to take their concerns to DC.
The ORIGINAL INTENT of the SENATE was to see to the Individual STATE’s Conserns. Thus that way.. Basically the’re be two groups against DC getting too BiG. The Senator was supposed to be something like the State’s Ambassador. .. Somewhere along the line we got FAT and LAZY, and IMAM NOBAMA is the PRice we have to pay for it... which is why I’m stocking up on AMMO
I love those videos... they are a little simplistic due to time constraints, but they are very good.
Also Go read the Federalist papers.. they are the articles written by the founders to explain answers to the very questions you’re asking..
UGH ... how PC of me... give me 20 lashes with a PRIUS..
The Federalist Papers, written by our Founding FATHERS!!!!
Democracy? Phooey.
If we have to have a government, personally, I’d prefer a benevolent dictatorship. Sure, a dictator would technically own us (pretty much where we are now anyway) but he’d also be concerned about passing along his wealth to his heirs. So he’d take care of his country and it’s economy. If he were wise, he’d know that the freer the subjects were, the more they’d produce. He’d find the right balance to keep his subjects happy while taking his relatively small slice of the enormous economic pie.
Instead, under democracy, we have these leeches bloodsucking all they can in their four or six years for themselves and their cronies, destroying the economy and our children’s futures in the process.
And as for a republic... well the founders tried, we just couldn’t keep it. It was doomed to devolve into a democracy from the start. Shoulda stuck with the Articles probably. Maybe should’ve written the Constitution in 3rd grade english with cartoons, so the modern publicly educated citizen could understand what they were thinking.
Well, the funny thing is when Ben Franklin made that little quote, he was asked whether America was a KINGDOM or a Republic, not whether we're a "Democracy or a Republic", but I guess the facts don't matter here since the "we're not a democracy" crowd wishes he was responding to the latter so they pretend he denied America was a democracy. Of course it was surprising we were a Republic back in 1776 and whether we could keep it, since most of the world back then was a sea of a kingdoms and serfdoms. Not so in 2009, when their are hundreds of Republics in the world and it's very easy to keep them around. It's much more important to have a FREE Republic than just a "Republic".
>> It was doomed to devolve into a democracy from the start. <<
Nope, you have backwards my friend. We've had democracy since day one that the constitution was ratified, and the founders wisely decided that WE THE PEOPLE would ELECT our representatives in Congress, rather than government officials, and that WE THE PEOPLE would ELECT our President via the electoral college, rather than having the president appointed by Congress as some of "the founders" preferred (thankfully, those who wanted an undemocratic process to select our President were on the losing side).
But now our Republic has LOST much of its original democracy because OUR government no longer listens to what WE THE PEOPLE say anymore. It's outrageous when 84% of Americans want English as our national language but our government provides everything in Spanish. WE THE PEOPLE need to take back our country and push for MORE democracy in America. Watch the video as they present how Thomas Paine would feel about modern day America:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jeYscnFpEyA
And yet you think we've "de-evolved" into a democracy? Great. So since you insist we have all this direct democracy, when will all 300 million of us get a chance to vote on the Obamacare legislation? A simple "yes" or "no" vote from every American to approval the legislation would be about the purest form of democracy we could get. So since there's all this bad "democracy" in our lives, when's the vote taking place? I'd say we get to vote on it when hell freezes over. Gee, so much for all that "mob rule" from the dreaded "democracy" in America.
>> Shoulda stuck with the Articles probably. Maybe should’ve written the Constitution in 3rd grade english with cartoons, so the modern publicly educated citizen could understand what they were thinking. <<
Awww how cute. Yeah anyone who uses the word "democracy" is so damn stupid, eh? You sound like the condensing media patronizing Sarah Palin every time she opens her mouth. Everyone besides you enlightened few is just clueless, eh? Nevermind that your fellow freepers here who feel the need to "educate" everyone about the virtues of a "Republic" can't tell the freakin' difference between REPRESENTATIVE Democracy and DIRECT Democracy, claiming that ALL forms of 'Democracy' simply lead to "mob rule". Really, a high school level civics course would explain the differences between 'em.
>> Instead, under democracy, we have these leeches bloodsucking all they can in their four or six years for themselves and their cronies, destroying the economy and our children’s futures in the process. <<
I don't see what that has to do with "democracy", since the same thing occurs in nations that don't have democracy, like say, Venezuela. You seem to have confused democracy with statistism or socialism.
Yet all the "we're not a democracy" crowd on FR argues the exact opposite of what the video is preaching. It presents Thomas Paine's views for a modern audience, showing the founders clearly intended that WE THE PEOPLE are the ultimate authority in this country and that government is ultimately answerable to us. Government exists to serve the PEOPLE.
That's what democracy means. It's very simple. "People rule." Great concept. The people decide their government, not a few powerful elites in a backroom.
We've lost that in modern America. Government ignores whatever "the people" want. Government does what government wants.
The video points out how we need MORE Democracy in America. The "we're not a Democracy" crowd is arguing the opposite -- that we need LESS democracy in America and that giving individuals citizens too much sway over government will cause "mob rule" or some other such garbage that has never happened.
If you agree with the video, why is thread arguing the exact opposite point? He clearly mentions we need to restore democracy in America (uses the word "democracy" and "we the people" several times)
Yet some freepers argue democracy is inherently bad, America has never had democracy, and our Republic needs to stay away from it (chillingly, the same thing communist overlords in the People's Republic of China will argue)
Some freepers say America started off as a Republic and never had democracy but now we've "de-evolved" into a democracy. I argue the opposite. We had democracy since day one in America, but now we've de-evolved into a undemocratic socialist Republic and things like gerrymandering have erode our original democracy more and more.
Not an oxymoron at all. Iran has a theocracy, but it's still a Republic. Being a religious state doesn't prevent them from having a soveign self-governing state that is under a constitution and a body of laws. Plenty of religious republics in the world. Israel is a Republic and a Jewish state, Finland is a Christian Republic (the Evangelical Lutheran Church of Finland is the official state religion has a special relationship with the Finnish government), and so on.
Of course there are examples of theocracies that are not Republics (Saudi Arabia being the biggest example), but that doesn't change the fact that plenty of Republics have an "official state religion" enshrined by the constitution.
Now, I would argue Iran went downhill ever since it became a "Republic", but that doesn't mean Republic is inherently a bad thing anyone than democracy is a bad thing. What it does show is that this whole "republic good, democracy bad" argument on this thread is B.S. There are good and bad democracies and there are good and bad republics. Having democracy in America is not a bad thing.
As for France, they invented the word Republic ("république"), much as the Greeks invented democracy, so France is clearly a Republic. Indeed, they're on their fifth Republic.
Democracy is a MYTH.. a lie... a scam..
I'm not sure why I struck such a nerve. It was not my intention.
To clarify my thoughts, it boils down to this for me. Democracy works for us when the majority of the voting public thinks like we do, but when they don't - and on many if not most current issues they don't - democracy ain't so hot. I'm not so sure I would want a direct vote on Obamacare. Are you sure that vote would go your way? I'm sure not. There are MANY decisions that I wouldn't want to subject to majority rule.
But, I'm NOT saying that I'm against democracy. The problem isn't so much democracy as a lack of choices. The federal government has become all powerful and overreaching and we have drifted far from what many of the founders intended our system to be, which was to be a confederation of states where federal government powers were severely limited and most decision making was left to the states and the people.
At this point, for the most part, we only have one decision making body - one democracy (such as it is). The federal government pretty much sets the rules for the nation. There don't appear to be many limits now to their power. And look at our choices in most elections. Tweedle dee and Tweedle dumber, both preselected for us by special interests and then, once elected, more or less owned by those same special interests.
Now if we had stayed the course that the founders laid out for us, well I'd have 50 "democracies" to choose from. Much more likely I'd find one I'd be more than happy with. (And if I wasn't I could always move!)
Whatever you think “Democracy” and “Republic” mean you are mistaken.
A republic is a place where the head of state is not a monarch.
A democracy is a place where the leaders are freely elected.
Japan/UK: Democracies with figurehead monarchs.
Communist Cuba: A Republic, decidedly NOT democratic despite your Lenin quotes.
Saudi Arabia: Neither. Absolute monarchy.
USA: BOTH, end of story. If you have a quibble it is with the dictionary.
WRONG.. Democracy is Mob Rule.. by mobsters in every iteration of it..
NO democracy ever existed that was democratic..
Central government is a MISTAKE.. State soverignty lessens the mistake..
That is why America is a Republic and NOT a democracy..
The American Constitution has NOWHERE IN IT the word democracy.. by design.. it is NOT a mistake.. Democracy is a political social disease.. and Socialism is the result, basically a symptom of it.. DEMOCRACY IS A BAD THING... an onerous burden on a people..
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