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Secessionist movement under way in Texas
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Posted on 08/28/2009 7:05:58 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican

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To: Shooter 2.5

Real Texans already do serve that flag. See the Texas State Guard - which is separate from the National Guard and is *not* subject to Federal control!


51 posted on 08/28/2009 8:27:21 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Shooter 2.5
Long live The Republic of Texas!
52 posted on 08/28/2009 8:29:39 PM PDT by BigCinBigD ('Evil white devil since 1960')
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To: OrangeHoof

Oh, come on. We wouldn’t shoot him.

Bullets cost money. Ropes are reusable and we have lots of that. :D


53 posted on 08/28/2009 8:29:49 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: SVTCobra03
How about Texas, Oklahoma and Louisiana seceeding together?

Personally, I don't want that. Texas can leave on their own in ways they can't do if others pile on. You guys can leave later but if you try to attach yourself to Texas' secession, you'll invite a military response from the Feds. Let us go first and, maybe later, you can join us.

54 posted on 08/28/2009 8:30:25 PM PDT by OrangeHoof (YES WE CAN have a Depression.)
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To: OrangeHoof

Besides, we don’t want Louisiana to join us - too many crooks and liberals there. Let Jindal and others clean house there, then we’ll consider it.


55 posted on 08/28/2009 8:31:28 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: MinorityRepublican

The dissolution of the United States would be a failure and tragedy of historic proportions.

The idea is ludicrous in the face of the fact that conservatives outnumber liberals in this country by a large margin.

Why not just build a political party and movement that actually represents the rightful rulers of this country instead of committing national political and physical suicide?


56 posted on 08/28/2009 8:32:40 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (You can have freedom. You can have socialism. But you can't have both! www.AIPNEWS.com)
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To: Shooter 2.5

Strong men will answer the call again, just as they did in 1861.


57 posted on 08/28/2009 8:35:09 PM PDT by stainlessbanner
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To: Shooter 2.5

My GGF served under that flag in the 11th Texas Infantry Regiment CSA and I would proudly serve under it as well.
My family has been in Texas since 1852, so I guess that makes me a “real Texan”.


58 posted on 08/28/2009 8:35:12 PM PDT by BnBlFlag (Deo Vindice/Semper Fidelis "Ya gotta saddle up your boys; Ya gotta draw a hard line")
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To: EternalVigilance

Because right now too many people are sucking off the government teat and vote for more no matter what. A new political party cannot and will not succeed; also, after 200 years, the big flaws in the US Constitution have become glaring and there’s no way anyone can fix them (properly) before liberty is lost to the statists for an unknown length of time.


59 posted on 08/28/2009 8:39:05 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Vor Lady

Check out the link in #3.


60 posted on 08/28/2009 8:39:21 PM PDT by LongElegantLegs (You know how it is: you wait ages for a good sperm story and then they all come at once.)
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To: MinorityRepublican

I will remain loyal to the US until such time, if ever, a duly elected state legislature votes for secession. I will immediately recognize that states sovereignty as an independent nation. That is all I can do.


61 posted on 08/28/2009 8:41:49 PM PDT by central_va ( http://www.15thvirginia.org/)
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To: Spktyr

Thank you for the information...


62 posted on 08/28/2009 8:41:52 PM PDT by John123 (My Definition of Liberals - Folks who validates their existence by calling someone a racist.)
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To: EternalVigilance

One state out of 50 leaving is not going to destroy America. We’re hypocrites if we tell the Soviets to respect the breakaway republics of Georgia, Latvia, Estonia, etc. but then tell Texas “no, you can’t leave”.

We can leave without firing a shot if we just get the will to do it. We’ll negotiate a settlement to America’s investment in Texas (military, currency, etc.) and set a date to become independent.

Think of it like a divorce. Or think of it like a corporation divesting one of their stronger assets. I’ve worked for two major companies and both went through break-ups. It’s a little painful but it all works itself out. We just have to lose this mindset that Washington dictates all the terms.


63 posted on 08/28/2009 8:42:16 PM PDT by OrangeHoof (YES WE CAN have a Depression.)
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To: EternalVigilance

Gah, hit send too soon.

To continue; The collapse is inevitable, really. The writing has been on the wall for almost fifty years now; the only question is when and just how bad is it going to be when it happens?

Texas wishes to have no part in it and wants to undock from the sinking Federal ship before it too is dragged under the waves.


64 posted on 08/28/2009 8:43:13 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: OrangeHoof
Let us go first and, maybe later, you can join us.

Sorry, you can't throw a party like that and leave out 'ole VA. We'll be there, well at least the Southern half.

65 posted on 08/28/2009 8:45:20 PM PDT by central_va ( http://www.15thvirginia.org/)
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To: OrangeHoof

Yup, and the Czechs and Slovaks showed us how to do it peacefully, as well. It doesn’t even have to be rancorous - the two countries still trade with each other and back up the other’s military forces.


66 posted on 08/28/2009 8:45:48 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: OrangeHoof; EternalVigilance

Even more amusingly, the United Nations does *not* recognize annexation as an instrument of national policy and might find themselves compelled to step in and assist Texas against the US.


67 posted on 08/28/2009 8:48:56 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Spktyr

Pennsylvania

Right to Bear Arms
Section 21.
The right of the citizens to bear arms in defense of themselves and the State shall not be questioned.


68 posted on 08/28/2009 8:49:13 PM PDT by Stentor (.)
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To: grumpa

But are you prepared for an additional 50 to 70 million people moving to the Republic of Texas in a short period of time?


69 posted on 08/28/2009 8:50:26 PM PDT by savedbygrace (You are only leading if someone follows. Otherwise, you just wandered off... [Smokin' Joe])
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To: savedbygrace

We have plenty of room for them, as about 30-50 million liberal types will be leaving.


70 posted on 08/28/2009 8:58:48 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: grumpa

I hope you will consider granting political refugee status to us conservatives from the Blue States who want to immigrate!


71 posted on 08/28/2009 9:05:34 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: Boogieman

I believe you will be required to demonstrate your willingness to keep and bear arms as well as basic firearms proficiency. :D


72 posted on 08/28/2009 9:11:58 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: ErnBatavia

Figured that out as well. Also the home insurance rates are crazy. Why, I have never been able to figure out. Between the property taxes and home insurance you are about equal to another mortgage payment. Then, not done yet, the utility rates are crazy. Friends in a modest 2000 sq. ft home pay $700 a month electric bill from May thru Sept. It drops a bit after that to the high $200’s the rest of the year. These friends are house poor. They can barely afford to keep living there and can’t imagine living anywhere else.

Also, they are flaming liberals. Our relationship suffers more and more each day.


73 posted on 08/28/2009 9:15:30 PM PDT by 4Godsoloved..Hegave (Never explain yourself, Your friends don't need it and your enemies won't believe it.)
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To: Spktyr

Now that’s a citizenship requirement I can live with! Just don’t ask me to try and rope a steer :)


74 posted on 08/28/2009 9:25:12 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: OrangeHoof
One state out of 50 leaving is not going to destroy America.

Send all the illegal aliens there.

75 posted on 08/28/2009 9:28:48 PM PDT by Mojave (Don't blame me. I voted for McClintock.)
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To: MinorityRepublican

76 posted on 08/28/2009 10:32:25 PM PDT by BigCinBigD ('Evil white devil since 1960')
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To: stainlessbanner
Strong men will answer the call again, just as they did in 1861.

And if it's like 1861, sorry, unscrupulous and power hungry politicians will be making the call and leading it from the rear. As Oliver P. Temple, a man who personally knew many of the secessionist leaders said:

The most powerful (motivation for secession), as it always has been, in revolutionary movements, was personal ambition. There was something peculiarly fascinating to bold, ambitious men in the thought of forming a great slaveholding confederacy, embracing fifteen states over which they would bear sway; with an aristocratic class to support their authority; with cotton, the greatest wealth-producing staple the world has ever known, as the basis of unparalleled prosperity, and with an obedient, servile race to perform all labor, and minister to the comfort and wants of this superior class as long as governments should last. Of course this motive was concealed...

77 posted on 08/28/2009 10:59:37 PM PDT by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: TXnMA

The belt buckle is EXACTLY like the one I’ve had since the early 1980s! Furled flag of Texas on the left and furled flag of the US on the right. It still wears well!


78 posted on 08/28/2009 11:41:52 PM PDT by octex
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To: maine-iac7

Every state has the right to secede, if what a Constitution Party member told me is true.


79 posted on 08/28/2009 11:49:46 PM PDT by firebrand
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To: Spktyr

I read your comment as an implication that Texas was annexed by the US. Is that what you meant?

Texas was an independent Republic, as won in the war with Mexico which (by treaty) ceded the lands to Texas that included the current States of Texas, NM, AZ, CA and part of CO. Texas later sold the lands that now are those other States to the US, but the Texas Constitution and agreement to join the USA required that Texas retain property rights to all of its public land.


80 posted on 08/29/2009 12:02:53 AM PDT by octex
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To: Spktyr; savedbygrace
I think part of the reason America is in their current predicament is "one man, one vote". It's a good premise until the freeloader class figures out they can keep voting freebies to themselves by electing irresponsible demagogues who demand spending money we don't have.

I agree, Spktyr, that America's government, as it has evolved, has serious constitutional flaws that can never be undone. One of the ways I would change a New Texas is to change voting rights.

If you weren't living in Texas before the break, you can apply for citizenship but you can't vote for five years. That prevents itinerants from flooding in when they have no intention of staying. We may also have to enact a snowbird law for those living mostly up north except in winter.

The other thing I would suggest is weighting a person's vote based on whether they own land in Texas and whether they own a business in Texas. If you own neither, your vote still counts. But if you own land (including your homestead), your voting strength doubles. If you own a business, it also doubles. If you own both, it triples. This gives a greater say to those who have invested the most in Texas and are the least likely to leave. I might also extend this to soldiers who have served either in the Texas military or the U.S. military.

I know there will be some people who will have a problem with that but, if not enacted, Texas will doom itself to repeating Washington's mistake of becoming a freeloaderocracy. I want the vote to rest in the hands of the people who have committed to make Texas their home and demonstrated that with their time and investment. That's not a liberal-conservative thing. That's a stability thing.

81 posted on 08/29/2009 12:18:39 AM PDT by OrangeHoof (YES WE CAN have a Depression.)
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To: BnBlFlag

I have you beat by a few years...ancestors settled in Texas in 1830. We lived there until 2005. Finally left due to the heat. Just got tired of two months of 100’s, rest of the time in summer 99’s. Also the property taxes and home owner’s insurance are pretty hefty for retirees.

It was hard to leave Texas, the people there are great but found good people here in the Ozarks of Missouri. We love it here and are not sorry we moved but politics in MO are iffy.

State is pretty evenly divided politically although our county is about 95% conservative. Doubtful the state would ever secede with Kansas City and St. Louis having lots of liberal votes!


82 posted on 08/29/2009 12:21:41 AM PDT by TXLady
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To: 4Godsoloved..Hegave

Don’t know where your friends live, but those costs are ridiculous. .....I’ll divulge some personal data...

I live in the DFW area (right between Dallas and Fort Worth), which is one of the most expensive areas of the State. I do average billing for electric and only pay about $150 a month. I live in a 2500sf house, which is 25% larger than your friend’s. My homeowner’s insurance only costs $1200 a year. My auto insurance costs about $700 a year.

The biggest hit on my annual property tax billing is for the local ISD, followed by Hospital Dist. and County. Annually, I pay about $5400 in property tax.

Roughly, about 8% sales tax (each city has its own rate); no State income tax; State lottery revenue subsidizes schools.

I REALLY don’t want a torrent of liberals migrating to Texas and trying to remake this State into what they just escaped from due to their socialist views. Dallas, Austin and Houston are bad enough to have to suffer as cities in this Great State of Texas!


83 posted on 08/29/2009 12:26:36 AM PDT by octex
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To: Colonel Kangaroo
But this is NOT about slavery and I resent you trying to imply it is. That's the scare tactic of liberals that all secessionists want to reinstitute slavery or are the fantasy of gun nuts or tax evaders. That's the stereotype the liberals will use to try to defeat this.

No political movement is going to be entirely pure and without personal motives but my attraction this has nothing to do with the 1860s. I don't own a slave and I never intend to. I don't own a gun and I see no reason to unless forced into it. I've never made more than $40k a year so there's nothing financial in it for me.

I want a Texas that believes in freedom, capitalism and the fruits of a hard days' work, the way America used to be before an all-powerful and all-intrusive federal government decided to interfere.

I want a Texas where brown, black, yellow or white can achieve whatever they have the ability and the aptitude to do and to make a decent wage for a hard day's work. I am not for slavery and never will be.

84 posted on 08/29/2009 12:29:31 AM PDT by OrangeHoof (YES WE CAN have a Depression.)
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To: Spktyr

I’m seriously considering looking for a job in Texas and relocating. I’m just so angry right now at our government. Pelosi and Reid are laughing stocks. Obama is a flat out marxist and yet the left still calls him a right leaning liberal. It angers me how foolish and evil the left is in this country.

Most democrats are nothing more than useful idiots of the ilk that Soros and internal far left anti american fools are using to tear down our country.

Secede I say, you’ll scare a lot of democrats away and attract a lot of people who truly understand and cherish freedom of the individual.


85 posted on 08/29/2009 12:48:15 AM PDT by Dalten
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To: OrangeHoof

Robert Heinlein had an even better and simpler idea.

Only retired military (and retired long-term non-elected civil servants) would be allowed to vote. These being the only people who have demonstrated that they are willing and able to put the welfare of the country ahead of the welfare of their tribe, family, or selves.

This class would also be the only people allowed to be teachers, policemen, judges or elected officials among a few other ‘protected’ jobs.

Everyone else would be a resident or non-voting citizen.


86 posted on 08/29/2009 12:52:38 AM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Spktyr

Simpler yes, better no. Those are all people conditioned to getting a government paycheck. Who wants only government people voting on who runs the government?


87 posted on 08/29/2009 1:17:31 AM PDT by OrangeHoof (YES WE CAN have a Depression.)
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To: Spktyr

Oh, and I can disprove his theory with two simple words.

John McCain.

Need more words?

Jack Murtha.


88 posted on 08/29/2009 1:19:58 AM PDT by OrangeHoof (YES WE CAN have a Depression.)
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To: OrangeHoof

He himself said that the idea does not eliminate stupidity *but* that it would reduce the stupidity in the system.


89 posted on 08/29/2009 1:57:17 AM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Spktyr

LOL out loud. Very cool.


90 posted on 08/29/2009 2:33:59 AM PDT by savedbygrace (You are only leading if someone follows. Otherwise, you just wandered off... [Smokin' Joe])
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To: TXLady

1830! Yep, they beat us here.
FWIW, in our County and School Dist., we have a great propery tax exemption for those folks who are 65 and up. It works well for retirees.
As far as the heat goes, I can tolerate it better than the cold of more Northerly climes. At least I can stay in the AC if it gets too hot!
Our County voted against Obama 75%+. About 90% of the Whites voted against him and about 99% of the Blacks voted for him. Hmmmm. Do I detect a split there?
Anyway, we love it here and have no plans to move in the forseeable future.
Good luck in the Ozarks!


91 posted on 08/29/2009 2:45:14 AM PDT by BnBlFlag (Deo Vindice/Semper Fidelis "Ya gotta saddle up your boys; Ya gotta draw a hard line")
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To: OrangeHoof

I should have left off the part of the quote about slavery, the part about the motives of the politicians who would exploit discontent and disorder is what I was meaning to present.


92 posted on 08/29/2009 4:26:38 AM PDT by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: MinorityRepublican

I will vote for whichever of Perry or Hutchison who pledge to make this happen.


93 posted on 08/29/2009 6:20:24 AM PDT by bestintxas
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To: OrangeHoof

“In today’s times, Texas has the resources and the willpower to go it alone without Washington’s help or influence”

Other differences: Texas is now heavily populated, and have had four US Presidents since the war between the states.(that is 4 out of the last ten presidents)


94 posted on 08/29/2009 6:25:24 AM PDT by bestintxas
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To: Vince Ferrer

All Texas taxes combined place them in the exact middle of the states.


95 posted on 08/29/2009 6:38:29 AM PDT by texmexis best (uencynd no)
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To: BnBlFlag
If Texas decide to split, don't be surprised to see Blacks rioting in the largest cities in the Lone Star Republic.

Texas will have to be careful that it doesn't turn into a pariah that South Africa once was back in the '80s.

96 posted on 08/29/2009 8:45:05 AM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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To: All

Texans are marching today on this Saturday. If you live in Austin, get out of your house and going the protest.


97 posted on 08/29/2009 8:48:47 AM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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To: MinorityRepublican

Go for it Boys, I want to move there and help you!


98 posted on 08/29/2009 8:52:54 AM PDT by slideguy (Get out there and stop this Evil Disaster and the "Death Panel" from becoming law.)
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To: slideguy

What do you think will be the turning point that will finally force Texas to secede?


99 posted on 08/29/2009 8:58:39 AM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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To: Colonel Kangaroo
I should have left off the part of the quote about slavery, the part about the motives of the politicians who would exploit discontent and disorder is what I was meaning to present.

Good. Then we're in general agreement. When Perry briefly mentioned secession to a tea party crowd last spring, the liberal reaction was accusations of wanting to bring back slavery, old west lawlessness, tax cheats, etc. so I am quite sensitive to that suggestion.

Any major change is going to have some winners and losers. It's inevitable. And any major change is going to also wind up with a few folks gaming the system to line their own pockets. But the gaming has gone on for years now under the present system too. Why do you think T. Boone Pickens was so hot to trot about weee-und?

100 posted on 08/29/2009 10:38:37 AM PDT by OrangeHoof (YES WE CAN have a Depression.)
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