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Podhoretz asks: "Why are Jews liberals?"
AP via Yahoo! News ^ | Wed Sep 2, 2009 | By HILLEL ITALIE, AP National Writer

Posted on 09/02/2009 8:46:36 AM PDT by Beloved Levinite

Podhoretz asks: Why are Jews liberals? Buzz up!17 votes Send Email IM .Share Delicious Digg Facebook Fark Newsvine Reddit StumbleUpon Technorati Twitter Yahoo! Bookmarks .Print .. AP – FILE - In this June 23, 2004 file photo, Norman Podhoretz is shown after receiving the Presidential Medal … .By HILLEL ITALIE, AP National Writer Hillel Italie, Ap National Writer – Wed Sep 2, 7:02 am ET NEW YORK – Norman Podhoretz, the neo-conservative and former Commentary editor, is a stocky, confident man whose book-filled Upper East Side apartment features a bronzed wall image of Teddy Roosevelt with a bold-faced statement from the most bullish of presidents:

"AGGRESSIVE FIGHTING FOR THE RIGHT IS THE NOBLEST SPORT THE WORLD AFFORDS."

Like Roosevelt, Podhoretz prefers periods to question marks, with declarative books such as "Making It," "World War IV" and "The Bloody Crossroads." Since leaving liberalism in the 1970s, he has not doubted his turn right or hesitated to confront former friends, especially in defense of Israel.

He is 79, proud and satisfied, even with Democrat Barack Obama in the White House. But one issue nags him past the point of thought, a disappointment he brands by punctuation. It provides the title for his new book, "Why Are Jews Liberals?"

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This question has always puzzled me. But, I am but a "mere gentile," so I would love to hear the "Jewish FReeper" perspective.
1 posted on 09/02/2009 8:46:36 AM PDT by Beloved Levinite
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To: Beloved Levinite

its hip?


2 posted on 09/02/2009 8:50:01 AM PDT by television is just wrong (one bad ass mistake America!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
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To: Beloved Levinite

Cultural insanity?


3 posted on 09/02/2009 8:50:28 AM PDT by Seruzawa (Obamalama lied, the republic died.)
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To: Beloved Levinite

JINOs and CINOs are now the majority.


4 posted on 09/02/2009 8:53:20 AM PDT by Huskrrrr
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To: Beloved Levinite

Because they are secular.


5 posted on 09/02/2009 8:53:43 AM PDT by Welcome2thejungle
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To: Beloved Levinite
They can't stand southerners, white trash, evangelicals, yada..yada..yada.

It's a class and bigotry problem, imo.

6 posted on 09/02/2009 8:57:34 AM PDT by roses of sharon (Kennedy dared us to call his bluff, when we didn't, he made all of us complicit in what he had done.)
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GLEN
...Wait a minute, I told it wrong.
Here, I’m startin’ over: How come it
takes three Pollacks to screw in a
lightbulb?

HI
I don’t know, Glen.

GLEN
Cause they’re so durn stupid!

(Raising Arizona, Coen Brothers)

So now it’s your turn, Podhoretz. Ask away.


7 posted on 09/02/2009 9:00:00 AM PDT by flowerplough (You're going to destroy my presidency! -Bammy, quoted secondhand by Chuck Grassley)
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To: Beloved Levinite
I'm not Jewish so a grain of salt is advised.

Some time ago I read a book on the early days of Communist infiltration of American institutions. The author noted that many of the early members of the Communist Party in the USA were Jewish and he had what sounded to me like a rational explanation that relates to the issue at hand: Why are Jews so Liberal. The author's view was that historically the Jews have been a persecuted race/religion/ whatever. That knowledge is now buried deep in the genetic structure (so to speak) of Jews in general - they know their history. The attraction of a truly egalitarian society ala Marx/Communism was a direct result of this view of a persecuted race. The early Jewish Communists held the view, not entirely without reason, that Communism promised a society free of persecution - if everyone is equal than nobody will be singled out. As we know, that idea was entirely false. It didn't work out.

But the historical knowledge of the Jewish people remains and the idea that egalitarian socialism might relieve them of the threat of persecution remains. It is the source of Jewish Liberalism.

8 posted on 09/02/2009 9:07:04 AM PDT by InterceptPoint
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To: Beloved Levinite

One interesting question to try to get at the answer to the question posed here is to separate the broad category Jews into religious Jews and secular Jews.

It could be that secular Jews are largely non-believers and non-believers everywhere and historically have flocked to the left for fairly obvious reasons.

I’d even venture to say that the proportion of non-believers may be (paradoxically?) higher among Jews than among gentiles. If so, that would create a bias towards believing that Jews are of the left, when perhaps the reality is that non-believers (from any group) are of the left.


9 posted on 09/02/2009 9:07:21 AM PDT by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
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To: InterceptPoint
But the historical knowledge of the Jewish people remains and the idea that egalitarian socialism might relieve them of the threat of persecution remains. It is the source of Jewish Liberalism.

It puzzles me that every Jewish senator is a dependable vote for amnesty, and Jews are everywhere in the immigration system, fighting to let as many into the US as possible, and fighting to prevent deportations. I think their historic plight of being without a country for many centuries, and often expelled from various nations, makes them almost automatic open borders advocates, even when groups that hate them are ever increasing in numbers, and making the US a less safe and accepting place for them as has happened in parts of Europe.

There often seems to be a very self-destructive element to parts of Jewish liberalism.

10 posted on 09/02/2009 9:14:12 AM PDT by Will88
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To: Beloved Levinite
I'm Jewish (actually quite secular) and it's certainly something that I've wondered about myself. However, I'm more of a "Jeffersonian Liberal" or a small 'l' libertarian (sort of a cross between Walter Williams and Neal Boortz) than strict conservative.

Mark

11 posted on 09/02/2009 9:15:45 AM PDT by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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To: InterceptPoint
Good points there.

It's worth noting that most Jews in the U.S. today can trace their ancestry to immigrants from Europe (particularly Eastern Europe) in the early decades of the 20th century. These folks came to the U.S. from places where totalitarian nanny-state governments were a way of life, and while they certainly fled for good reason the simple truth is that they brought many of these nanny-state expectations with them.

12 posted on 09/02/2009 9:20:21 AM PDT by Alberta's Child (God is great, beer is good . . . and people are crazy.)
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To: Beloved Levinite

McCarthy & American Jews.

Waves of immigrants came to the USA from 1880-1920: the Poles the Italians the Irish the Jews. Most of these ethnic groups voted for FDR by large majorities in 1932, 1936 & 1940, but over time they have assimilated and become less politically monolithic. Yet to this day the American jews still vote democratic by hefty majorities. Why? It is because Hollywood still strenuously maintains the communist lie about the 1950-54 McCarthy era. That lie is maintained by the recent movies “A Beautiful Mind,” and “Good Night and Good Luck”.

Shortly before his death in 1953 Stalin initiated the Doctor’s Plot. There are various reasons given for that. The KGB hated Israel. Many Americans who were enthusiastic supporters of the UN were Jewish. Edvard Radzinsky in his book “Stalin” argues that while at one time Stalin hoped Jewish financial capital would help rebuild the Soviet Union after the WWII, Stalin hated the prospect of suborning himself to the Baruch Plan and he flat out rejected IAEA nuclear controls—presented in 1946 (an attitude is not entirely dissimliar to that of Iran today.) The Russians were working on their own A-bomb based on stolen US designs. Stalin, himself a Geogian, wanted to insure that the Russians saw a Russian face to a Communist Party which was top heavy with Jews.

Whatever the reason, Stalin fomented the Doctor’s plot hysteria and broke off diplomatic relations with Israel. He was within days of preparing to exile the Soviet Jews to the Gulag (as was done previously with various other ethnic minorities such as the Crimean Tatars, Chechens, etc.), and initiate another great purge along the lines of 1938.

Stalin already had the concentration camps set up, and some of the preliminary accusations had gone out for the Doctor’s Plot. 100 or so Russian jews had already been executed when he died in 1953. The important thing to recall is that the Doctor’s Plot happened at the same time as the McCarthy anti communist business from 1950-54. Also in 1953, in the US the Rosenburgs were tried and executed for treason—and this less than a decade after the Holocaust. This naturally caused fear and suspicion in the US Jewish community. This fear and suspicion was played upon by knowledgeable communists and leftists—large numbers of whom were themselves jewish. These folk not only knew about what Stalin had done in the 1930s and had been about to do with the doctor’s plot before he died, but also saw the McCarthy trials as show trials american style . . . that is, a prelude to an american pogrom. For which the Rosenbergs were exhibit A.

In a brilliant piece of jujitsu, leftists and communists imputed to Americans on the right exactly what Stalin had planned to do. But it was done soto voce. Basically, a blood libel was perpetrated on Americans without their knowing it. Worse, Protestant America was painted as the tribal enemy tooth and claw of the US jewish establishment without Protestant America even knowing it. Never again! — Was the battle cry. But there weren’t any such enemies of Jews in the USA. If there actually had been Protestant tribal enemies in the USA, Meyer Kahane and his Jewish Defense League would have provoked them into a bloodletting. Why did Meyer Kahane behave the way he did? Because he heard the same thing as everyone else - all the Jews, that is. He heard about enemies of the jews in the heartland. But when he went to give battle, the only sorts of fights the JDL could find resulted in unintelligible court disputes in places like Idaho. In the end, Kahane married an American woman & helped expedite Stalin’s last wish—to rid Russia of Jews. When his American wife committed suicide, Kahane lost interest in the USA and focused instead on Israel. When Kahane died in 1990 it was at the hands of a Moslem.

While the American public outside NY/LA were generally given the view that the McCarthy era was an age when innocent men were unjustly tried by suspicious anti semites like McCarthy & Nixon, the NY/LA Jewish establishment was given a very different story. They were given to understand that the democrats/liberals had prevented the US from visiting a holocaust on them - and that American Jews owed their loyalty to the liberal democrats because the liberal democrats were the protectors of the Jews. And this Meme went on untouched for decades after McCarthy.

This dual track story line didn’t crack until the early 1990’s when the KGB/NKVD/GRU opened up their files on the WWII-McCarthy period. In 1995 the US’s National Security Agency opened up their Venona files. Both Russian and American spy agency files showed that McCarthy was right. The Rosenburgs were guilty. The US government —notably including the Manhattan Project—had been at one time soaked with Russian Spies. While McCarthy had the details wrong, he got the general outline of the story right. Why did McCarthy get the outline right and the details wrong? The reason is that McCarthy’s relationship to Hoover was the same as Hoover’s relationship to the NSA.

The NSA told the FBI about the Venona intercepts but insisted that the FBI could not use NSA intercepts as evidence in court. The FBI had to develop their own leads. As a result most of the spies escaped prosecution. The FBI did not get their man.

In 1950 J. Edgar Hoover began weekly meetings with Joseph McCarthy. Those meetings ended in 1954. The beginning and end of those meetings coincided with the beginning and end of McCarthy star turn in the national spot light. McCarthy got most of the details of the spy story wrong but he got the general outline of the story right. His predicament was the same as that of the FBI. Whatever Hoover told him—McCarthy could not use in the senate hearings. To this day the FBI denies that Hoover told McCarthy anything about the Venona Cables and maybe Hoover said nothing explicit to McCarthy for which Hoover could be liable in court.

Needless to say, an American style shoah was never in the cards.

The reason that Hollywood hated Ronald Reagan so much was that he was an anti communist in Hollywood during the McCarthy period. To be staunchly anti communist in Hollywood or NYC at that time was to be at least vaguely anti semitic because in the 30’s to the 50’s communism was considered to be almost a secular form of Judaism in the Jewish communities of NY/LA. Given the reputation of the Jews in capitalist countries as the quintessential capitalists, this seems ironic. But in Russia, communism was a way to get ahead for the jews. And in addition to the opportunities communism presented to Jews, there was a biblical antecedent for jewish communists in the bible in the person of Joseph in Egypt because the relationship between Jews to Joseph’s Egypt maps over well to that between Jews and Communist Russia. And the history of the Jews from Joseph to Moses looks very similar to the rise to prominence of many Jews in the soviet communist bureaucracy from the 1917-1970 and the decades long expulsion of Russia’s jews after 1970 when it became clear that communism was not working. The Russians blamed Russian jews for the failure of communism.

Reagan was among the first wave of FDR democrats to switch parties. Reagan’s star turn in Hollywood ended after McCarthy, but his experiences in Hollywood served him well when he went into public service. He always understood the jujitsu of media talk of the age. Something that cannot be said of Nixon. Nixon’s rise to prominance began with his role with the House Unamerican Activities Committee (HUAC)—a role for which gained visceral leftist enemies with long memories (in the way John Kerry gained prominence during the Viet Nam era and made visceral enemies of the swift boat veterans.) Nixons fall also coincides with the Russian expulsion of Russia’s jews.

I would not argue that Nixon paid the price for Russia’s expulsion of Russian jews. That stretches the point. However, when I hear American based Moslems talking about McCarthyism being visited on them, I have to laugh. They have unknowingly pronounced themselves guilty in the eyes of many Americans.

The history of the McCarthy period now is forgotten among American Jews except for the vague idea that somehow Republicans are bad and somehow Democrats are good.

As for the Democrats, part of the reason for the loss of their inner coherence in the last decade has been that the part of their foundational raison d’être which stems from the McCarthy era was revealed to be based on a lie. So now the core of the Democratic Party is the sodomites. Those people are not just confusing, they are confused.

David Horowitz interviewed by Rush Limbaugh some months ago — talked about how his parents were communists and he was a communist in college. He said when he was in college his views were always treated respectfully by his professors. But, he said recently, a young Christian college student told him that his homosexual college professor had singled him out in class and asked him “Why do you Christians hate queers?” Asked why he continued to do what he did in the face of all the abuse he gets, David Horowitz said that - like Rush - he took public political positions because he had to. But also he said he did it as a matter of atonement.

He gets it.

Venona Historical Writings that include comparisons of venona and russian spy lists and the changing venona story in the academy. http://www.johnearlhaynes.org/page43.html http://www.johnearlhaynes.org/index.html


13 posted on 09/02/2009 9:20:25 AM PDT by ckilmer (Phi)
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Simply because because most American secular Jews (the majority) despise serious Christians, are ambivalent about America, love abortion and, as most are unbelievers, want to drive any mention of God from the public square. They also have abandoned their parents’ attachment to Israel. The liberal wing of the Democrat Party is the logical place for people who think/feel this way.
14 posted on 09/02/2009 9:44:30 AM PDT by Godwin1
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To: Beloved Levinite

Ping for later


15 posted on 09/02/2009 10:08:41 AM PDT by Tailback
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To: ckilmer
ckilmer,

Very interesting, very informative. Did you pen that yourself, or is that an article? (I didn't find it on your link)

I can remember being a little kid in the 60's & my much older sister had two "cool" Jewish musician friends, living in Queens, NY (no, not Simon & Garfunkel, but she loved them too!) who had anti-McCarthy paraphenalia posted in their house. For some reason, though I was small, I remembered the name "McCarthy" & their hatred of him.

Now, I'm wondering where Obama's communism & Islamism, hence hatred of Jews, fits into this question?

16 posted on 09/02/2009 10:16:06 AM PDT by Beloved Levinite (I have a new name for the occupier of The Oval Office: KING FRAUD! (pronounced King "Faa-raud"))
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That seems to sum it up quite nicely. Sounds logical to me. Too bad secular Jews don’t recognize the astonishing accuracy of Biblical prophecy in relation to modern day Israel.


17 posted on 09/02/2009 10:21:12 AM PDT by Beloved Levinite (I have a new name for the occupier of The Oval Office: KING FRAUD! (pronounced King "Faa-raud"))
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To: flowerplough
...Wait a minute, I told it wrong. Here, I’m startin’ over

GLEN
Mind you don't cut yourself, Mordecai.

Truly a classic.

18 posted on 09/02/2009 10:29:18 AM PDT by LTCJ (God Save the Constitution - Tar & Feathers, The New Look for Summer '09)
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To: Beloved Levinite

Now, I’m wondering where Obama’s communism & Islamism, hence hatred of Jews, fits into this question?
............
They’re two different animals imho.

The period of the 50’s might as well be 100’s of years away.

however, when you hear moslems accuse others of McCarthyism—its generally a sign that suspicions are warranted.


19 posted on 09/02/2009 10:40:21 AM PDT by ckilmer (Phi)
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To: Beloved Levinite; All

Check this out too:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2173184/posts?page=13#13


20 posted on 09/02/2009 11:13:03 AM PDT by FreeKeys ("The last hope of human liberty in this world rests on us." - Thomas Jefferson)
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