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Students and Self-Defense: The Untold Truth
CCWSavesLives ^ | 9/14/2009 | Staff

Posted on 09/14/2009 11:45:40 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA

Annie Le was a Yale University PhD student who was recently found dead in a campus building, found the same day she was supposed to get married.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,549765,00.html

Several months before her untimely death, she wrote an article about avoiding/dealing with crime on the campus after interviewing the Chief of police in town.

http://bbs.yale.edu/images/B10_1.pdf

In this piece, several tips are given by the Chief, but none could realistically help someone Annie Le's size (4' 11" and 90 pounds) against an attacker. Simply unrealistic. Once again, the officials ignore the elephant in the room; namely, that guns are often the best self defense, as would have been the case with someone who is the size of Annie Le.

The Chief provided us with these handy tips for crime prevention:

1. Pay attention to where you are.

2. Avoid portraying yourself as a potential victim.

3. Do not be distracted by ipods and phone calls.

4. Reduce your exposure (use the Yale escort and shuttle services).

5. Walk with a purpose.

6. Keep a minimum amount on your person.

I would add a #7: Student CCW. (None of the 6 listed by the Chief of police would help a person of her stature)

But #7 would be precluded from happening, as Yale has this in their list of rules for students:

"The possession or use of explosive, incendiary materials or weapons (guns) on University property by students, employees, or visitors is prohibited except for University Police and other certified law enforcement officers."

The University System needs to rethink what is best for students, and what is moral, as not giving someone such as Annie Le a fighting chance is immoral. An observer would think that "great thinkers" such as those running the University would understand this.

They would be wrong.


TOPICS: Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: anniele; banglist; crime; guncontrol; gunlaws; guns; selfdefense; yale

1 posted on 09/14/2009 11:45:41 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA
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To: Red in Blue PA

She apparently needed to carry a heater.


2 posted on 09/14/2009 11:48:02 AM PDT by Paladin2 (Big Ears + Big Spending --> BigEarMarx, the man behind TOTUS)
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To: Red in Blue PA

Yale will be a lost cause for the foreseeable future. But a revolver in the purse is the best device a college girl (or any woman) could have! In fact, it’s even more important on the streets of our cities than on some nice Ivy league campus like Yale (with escort and shuttle services) - sadly, it will turn out that this woman was murdered by someone she knew.


3 posted on 09/14/2009 11:48:50 AM PDT by BertWheeler (Dance and the world dances with you...)
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To: Red in Blue PA
2. Avoid portraying yourself as a potential victim.

Annie was 4'-11". A little hard NOT to be portrayed as a potential victim.

4 posted on 09/14/2009 11:49:11 AM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: Puppage
5. Walk with a purpose

Ummmmm, I am going to class?

5 posted on 09/14/2009 11:49:59 AM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: Red in Blue PA

God created all men but Colt made them equal.


6 posted on 09/14/2009 11:50:23 AM PDT by ex-snook ("Above all things, truth beareth away the victory.")
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To: Red in Blue PA

IMO, a person over the age of 21 should be able to carry a handgun. Period. (I would argue the law should be changed to make it 18 as people can serve in the military at that age, but cannot buy a hangun?!?!)

Yale UNiversity officials share some of the blame for this IMO. Others may disagree, but the 2A was put into place for a reason. Self-defense is a basic human right; one that University officials thought they could trump.

And did.


7 posted on 09/14/2009 11:52:09 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA (If guns cause crime, then all of mine are defective!)
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To: Paladin2; All
She apparently needed to carry a heater.

She was not able to.....Yale's rules for Students:

"The possession or use of explosive, incendiary materials or weapons (guns) on University property by students, employees, or visitors is prohibited except for University Police and other certified law enforcement officers."
8 posted on 09/14/2009 12:07:09 PM PDT by Red in Blue PA (If guns cause crime, then all of mine are defective!)
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To: Red in Blue PA

The “powers” at Yale need to have their butts hauled into court on many issues as a result of this violins that they were apparently “unable” to prevent.


9 posted on 09/14/2009 12:15:12 PM PDT by Paladin2 (Big Ears + Big Spending --> BigEarMarx, the man behind TOTUS)
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To: Red in Blue PA
"...certified law enforcement officers."

In the interests of community, all students need to be designated as such.

10 posted on 09/14/2009 12:16:39 PM PDT by Paladin2 (Big Ears + Big Spending --> BigEarMarx, the man behind TOTUS)
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To: Paladin2

Agree 100%.

At some point, officials will need to be held accountable and also be made to explain precisely why adults cannot freely carry firearms to protect themselves.


11 posted on 09/14/2009 12:16:45 PM PDT by Red in Blue PA (If guns cause crime, then all of mine are defective!)
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To: Red in Blue PA
The lady sounded really sweet, I am not sure she could of shot anyone. Without a gun, she sadly didn't have that choice. There is also a tendency to be stunned into inaction by sudden unexpected violence. They talk of fight or flight responses, but there is also the frozen deer in the headlights response. Part of carrying a weapon is making the decision beforehand that you will defend yourself if attacked, and that choice is half the battle.
12 posted on 09/14/2009 12:21:48 PM PDT by dog breath
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To: BertWheeler

“sadly, it will turn out that this woman was murdered by someone she knew.

While I don’t endorse Yale’s policy regarding hand-guns, my guess is that when all the facts are revealed, we’ll learn that in this instance it would not have made a difference. She apparently was murdered and hidden in a high security building rather than mugged on a street. A random stranger who’d gotten access to that building would not have had the motivation to hide the body so well that it remained concealed for days.

I concur she likely knew her killer and likely also may not have been aware she was in danger until too late to use a gun even if she’d had one.


13 posted on 09/14/2009 12:40:45 PM PDT by DrC
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To: dog breath

All of the things you list could happen to nearly any gun owner if he or she is jumped out of the blue.

The key is that everyone should be allowed a chance to prepare by carrying a firearm if they so choose.

Annie never had this chance, and IMO, that is a crime.


14 posted on 09/14/2009 1:12:22 PM PDT by Red in Blue PA (If guns cause crime, then all of mine are defective!)
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To: DrC

Her size made the outcome against any aggressor an almost foregone conclusion.

A firearm may have proven to be an equalizer; no way to know for certain of course. But everyone should have the chance to prepare if they choose.

She never had this option because of Yale rules.


15 posted on 09/14/2009 1:14:43 PM PDT by Red in Blue PA (If guns cause crime, then all of mine are defective!)
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To: DrC

We’ll never know now how efficacious a handgun would have been for this woman.


16 posted on 09/14/2009 1:27:23 PM PDT by BertWheeler (Dance and the world dances with you...)
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To: BertWheeler
This is the time to ask it again: What right does ANYONE, or any entity (such as a college or university), have to tell me I cannot carry a handgun if I so choose?

I say no one does; what right does anyone have to tell me I cannot exercise my 2nd Amendment right?

I say no one does. NO ONE.

17 posted on 09/14/2009 5:01:42 PM PDT by Jerrybob
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To: Jerrybob

I agree with you and have all along.


18 posted on 09/15/2009 6:48:39 AM PDT by BertWheeler (Dance and the world dances with you...)
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To: Red in Blue PA

The news today mentioned scratch marks on the potential suspect. If he spent some time attacking her before killing her, I bet she would of traded everything she owned for a gun at that moment.


19 posted on 09/15/2009 7:19:40 AM PDT by dog breath
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