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Posted on 09/14/2009 2:43:18 PM PDT by cycle of discernment
Ruling just down from Judge Land says he'll rule on the case at noon Wed. he's probably waiting for the Kenyan BC to prove out...today ( I'm assuming per Judge Carter) there was a subeona served on the kenyan consulate in Los angeles #RE184168898US concerning BO's BC...now it's more of a waiting game, but the truth will come forth!!!
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A US court can't subpoena a foreign government. What are they going to do if the Kenyan consulate throws it in the trash and doesn't respond? The court can't jail anyone because they have Diplomatic immunity. The subpoena was issued by a moron name Paul Mitchell aka Mitch Modeleski who doesn't hold any legal qualifications and has a long long history of stupid legal actions. 3 minutes ago
Report on today's hearing before Judge Land,appears no decision was made today by Judge Land,possibly he will make a decision on Wednesday. Judge seemed upset Orly when off on O.B. citizenship when he asked a question. Don't sound to me it went real well hope that I'm wrong. www.ledger-enquirer.com
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Judge questions Orly Taitz claims to have Obama birth certificate in hearing where Army officer fights deployment www.ledger-enquirer.com Source: www.ledger-enquirer.com about an hour ago ·
On the basis of this article, it does not look like Captain Rhodes will get a TRO. about an hour ago
Orly has Obama's Kenyan BC. She just has to get it confirmed. I have actually seen it. It looks real. If it is indeed real, then what Hawaii probably has is simply a vital record produced by the grandmother that Obama was born at home with no witnesses. The laws of 1961 allowed for this. This produced a vital record and hence produced the birth announcements we have seen. Obama was born in Kenya but his birth was registered as being born in Hawaii. The reason for this was to get Obama US Citizenship. Obama would not have got it if he was born in Kenya because his father was a Kenyan citizen and the mother didn't satisfy residence requirements. Consquently, the mother would have been required to got through an expensive and complicated process of getting Obama naturalized.
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I did not write any of the above blog comments—just copied and pasted the string of comments for Freepers to see, make of it what you will.
There are subpoenas that work via various kinds of treaties.
Pretty complex process. Easy to do wrong. Easy to accidently commit a crime.
I have no idea if Kenya is a signatory to that stuff.
Why not just subpoena the State Department for Obama’s FS-240?
U.S. courts cannot serve subpoenas on foreign embassies— they have diplomatic immunity. The only way a U.S. court can get evidence from a foreign government is through a “letter rogatory,” which is a time-consuming process at best (and must be approved by the judge, unlike a subpoena which can be issued by any lawyer in a case).
Breaking news indeed.
I would consider the Kenyan Consulate an easy target to subdue with legal documents, green color one gets at the bank.
That’ll give them plenty of time to forge something.
I think, technically, The Messiah has Diplomatic Immunity, as he may not even be a U.S. Citizen at all, either!
Letters of Rogatory is a letter from the court of one country to the court of another country requesting assistance. If the US Federal Court issues one to the Kenyan Courts it would be unusual for them to totally ignore it.
Looks like it takes about a year to get a response, best case:
And Kenya does not appear to be on the list of countries that honor such requests:
Clearing the Smoke on Obamas Eligibility: An Intelligence Investigators June 10 Report
“The Territorial Public Health Statistics Act in the 1955 Revised Laws of Hawaii
In the State of Hawaii, back in 1961, there were four different ways to get an original birth certificate on record.
BC1. If the birth was attended by a physician or mid wife, the attending medical professional was required to certify to the Department of Health the facts of the birth date, location, parents identities and other information. (See Section 57-8 & 9 of the Territorial Public Health Statistics Act in the 1955 Revised Laws of Hawaii which was in effect in 1961).
BC2. In 1961, if a person was born in Hawaii but not attended by a physician or midwife, then all that was required was that one of the parents send in a birth certificate to be filed. The birth certificate could be filed by mail. There appears to have been no requirement for the parent to actually physically appear before the local registrar of the district.
It would have been very easy for a relative to forge an absent parents signature to a form and mail it in.
In addition, if a claim was made that neither parent of the newborn child whose birth is unattended as above provided is able to prepare a birth certificate, the local registrar shall secure the necessary information from any person having knowledge of the birth and prepare and file the certificate. (Section 57-8&9)
.... there is and was no requirement for a physician or midwife to witness, state or report that the baby was born in Hawaii.
BC3. In 1961, if a person was born in Hawaii but not attended by a physician or midwife, then, up to the first birthday of the child, a Delayed Certificate could be filed, which required that a summary statement of the evidence submitted in support of the acceptance for delayed filing or the alteration [of a file] shall be endorsed on the certificates, which evidence shall be kept in a special permanent file.
The statute provided that the probative value of a delayed or altered certificate shall be determined by the judicial or administrative body or official before whom the certificate is offered as evidence. (See Section 57- 9, 18, 19 & 20 of the Territorial Public Health Statistics Act in the 1955 Revised Laws of Hawaii which was in effect in 1961).
BC4. If a child is born in Hawaii, for whom no physician or mid wife filed a certificate of live birth, and for whom no Delayed Certificate was filed before the first birthday, then a Certificate of Hawaiian Birth could be issued upon testimony of an adult (including the subject person [i.e. the birth child as an adult]) if the Office of the Lieutenant Governor was satisfied that a person was born in Hawaii, provided that the person had attained the age of one year.
(See Section 57-40 of the Territorial Public Health Statistics Act in the 1955 Revised Laws of Hawaii which was in effect in 1961.)
In 1955 the secretary of the Territory was in charge of this procedure. In 1960 it was transferred to the Office of the Lieutenant Governor (the lieutenant governor, or his secretary, or such other person as he may designate or appoint from his office §338-41 [in 1961]).
In 1982, the vital records law was amended to create a fifth kind of original birth certificate. Under Act 182 H.B. NO. 3016-82, Upon application of an adult or the legal parents of a minor child, the director of health shall issue a birth certificate for such adult or minor, provided that the proof has been submitted to the director of health that the legal parents of such individual while living without the Territory or State of Hawaii had declared the Territory or State of Hawaii as their legal residence for at least one year immediately preceding the birth or adoption of such child.
In this way state policies and procedures accommodate even children born out of State (this is the actual language of Act 182) with an original birth certificate on record.
Confirmed, Kenya is not a signatory to Hague Convention.
I’m a former pro football player; not a lawyer. And I figured this out.
Whomever is her lawyer is an idiot.
The letter of Rotatory may be going to the United Kingdom as they have a duplicate set of Kenya’s official documents at one of their Universities. Furthermore if a Federal Court inquiring about the legitimacy of a President transfers a request to another country I would be surprised if they ignored it.