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Mr Obama.....Turn On This Water!.....NOW!
A Time For Choosing ^ | SATURDAY, SEPTEMBER 19, 2009 | Gary Jackson

Posted on 09/19/2009 4:39:21 PM PDT by curth

Turning the water off is not just bad politics, it’s an act of domestic terror.

Former Fresno, California Mayor Alan Autry

Forgive me if I am less than diplomatic here. I am not a fan at all of the radical environmental movement. I’m even less of a fan of radical, Big Government.

Let’s cut to the chase here. The rabid environmentalists have destroyed the economy in the San Joaquin Valley of California. Not only have they destroyed the economy, they have destroyed the lives of tens of thousands of farmers, as well.

According to the California Farm Water Coalition unemployment in parts of the San Joaquin Valley reached 41 percent in August. Over 400,000 acres of some of the richest farm land on earth are now dormant and unplanted. More than one million acres are in danger of destruction. .

These government stooges have created a modern day dust bowl. They have created something the government actually worked hard to educate people against doing again some 75 years ago!

Poor planting practices and a major drought caused much of the nation’s center to turn into one big dust bowl back in the 1930's. Nothing would grow. This stretched from the Plains of Texas to the Canadian Prairie Lands. Throw in the Great Depression and it was a disaster. People’s lives were destroyed. Farms that had been in families for generations just dried up and blew away, literally. Many family farms were lost to foreclosure. American families lost everything they had.

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TOPICS: Agriculture; Business/Economy; Government; Politics
KEYWORDS: bho44; bhoenvironment; california; drought; obama; oppression; water
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1 posted on 09/19/2009 4:39:22 PM PDT by curth
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To: curth
Turning the water off is not just bad politics, it’s an act of domestic terror.

Yes it is.....unfortunately it was Ogabe's Eco-Fecal COMMIE special interest groups that got the water turned off in the first place. Obama loves it!
2 posted on 09/19/2009 4:42:31 PM PDT by Electric Graffiti (Yonder stands your orphan with his gun)
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To: curth

What the heck is wrong with these people?


3 posted on 09/19/2009 4:47:50 PM PDT by Islaminaction
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To: Electric Graffiti

And unfortunately there are no Americans left with guts enough to defy a judge and turn the water back on themselves, while they sit and watch their children go hungry.
What has happened to my America?


4 posted on 09/19/2009 4:49:05 PM PDT by sheana
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To: curth
Comparing Presidents


5 posted on 09/19/2009 4:51:17 PM PDT by jessduntno ("Integrity is the lifeblood of democracy. Deceit is a poison in it." - Ted Kennedy (D-HELL)
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To: curth

Welcome to Amerika where you have to beg our leader for water , medical care or fincancial aid and home loans. A sign of things to come for all of us...


6 posted on 09/19/2009 4:51:38 PM PDT by Three if by government
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To: Electric Graffiti

not only domestic terror but also heartless, evil and sinful.

President Obama...turn on the water for the people and do it NOW!!!


7 posted on 09/19/2009 4:51:49 PM PDT by cubreporter
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To: curth

What exactly would happen if they, the Central Valley farmers, turned out en masse and forced open the water valves themselves? Is it possible? Is it not time to take their very survival into their own hands?


8 posted on 09/19/2009 4:58:32 PM PDT by ScottinVA (This Revolution will be peaceful if possible; other than peaceful if necessary.)
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To: jessduntno

Sometimes a caption just isn't needed..


9 posted on 09/19/2009 5:05:01 PM PDT by ScottinVA (This Revolution will be peaceful if possible; other than peaceful if necessary.)
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To: curth
..Arnold appeared to be helpless and shellshocked on Hannity the other night

He could really force a 10th Amendment crisis by using all available CA law enforcement and even National Guard (until they were nationalized) to turn the water back on--by force if necessary...

10 posted on 09/19/2009 5:11:41 PM PDT by WalterSkinner ( In Memory of My Father--WWII Vet and Patriot 1926-2007)
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To: WalterSkinner

“He could really force a 10th Amendment crisis by using all available CA law enforcement and even National Guard (until they were nationalized) to turn the water back on—by force if necessary... “

And that he should do.. now.


11 posted on 09/19/2009 5:14:23 PM PDT by ScottinVA (This Revolution will be peaceful if possible; other than peaceful if necessary.)
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To: Three if by government

“Welcome to Amerika where you have to beg our leader for water , medical care or fincancial aid and home loans. A sign of things to come for all of us...”

I hate that bastard 0bama. He is NOT my president.


12 posted on 09/19/2009 5:15:57 PM PDT by ScottinVA (This Revolution will be peaceful if possible; other than peaceful if necessary.)
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To: WalterSkinner

If he was only as tough in real life as he is in the action movies. I would love to see the citizens of Kalifornia go right to the water works and take charge. Make the feds dare to do something about it.


13 posted on 09/19/2009 5:21:14 PM PDT by wally_bert (It's sheer elegance in its simplicity! - The Middleman)
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To: jessduntno
Simply an awesome group of photos.
14 posted on 09/19/2009 5:21:50 PM PDT by HereInTheHeartland (Just say no to Soylent Green health care)
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To: ScottinVA

This calls for outright revolt, period.


15 posted on 09/19/2009 5:29:17 PM PDT by Hoosier-Daddy ("It does no good to be a super power if you have to worry what the neighbors think." BuffaloJack)
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To: Islaminaction
These people honestly believe none of us should consume anything that isn't generated right in our own community -- from water to utilities to food... they are very scary and it's impossible to get through their thought process...

that said, the guy Hannity had the set to with was behind shutting down the water to the farmers in Oregon a few years ago and would love to shut down dams on the Colorado and other rivers there is something else at play here and it's a decades old battle from Northern California to turn off the water they sent to Southern California.

16 posted on 09/19/2009 5:34:12 PM PDT by Arizona Carolyn
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To: curth
I make sure I tell everyone I talked to for more than a few minutes different things the Democrats have done to destroy this country.

Today I was at a birthday party for a 10 year old. A had a lot of fun telling them how the Democrats are destroying this country. I did not get ANY push back. This must be our plan. We must turn the non political minions into voting Republicans. People vote for Democrats because they watch and read MSM and don't know any better. I give homework assignments to people I seem to make inroads with to watch FoxNews and research for themselves what the Democrats are doing. I then have them report back to me.

17 posted on 09/19/2009 5:34:15 PM PDT by Plumres
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To: curth

Sorry, but I’m not on the farmer’s side, they are getting water subsidies off the tax-payers. Let *them* cover the full cost of irrigation, not the tax-payer. This isn’t an environmental issue, it’s an economic issue. If this farming would be so good for the economy then private investors would be funding it, including the irrigation.


18 posted on 09/19/2009 5:35:30 PM PDT by LifeComesFirst (Until the unborn are free, nobody is free.)
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To: curth

There is a rule on FR that we do not advocate or encourage violence or other illegal acts.

That is the rule and this is Jim Thompson’s house to rule as he sees fit.

Therfor I won’t suggest that the people who are being denied water take up arms and take over the facilities that are blocking their water and forcibly turn it back on.

I won’t suggest that at all. Even if it is the right thing to do I won’t suggest it.


19 posted on 09/19/2009 5:36:33 PM PDT by Nik Naym (I remember when the United States was a free country. I feel old.)
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To: jessduntno
Why is there an "EXIT" sign over that window?
20 posted on 09/19/2009 5:37:08 PM PDT by digger48
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To: digger48

‘Why is there an “EXIT” sign over that window?”

wishful thinking...


21 posted on 09/19/2009 5:38:06 PM PDT by jessduntno ("Integrity is the lifeblood of democracy. Deceit is a poison in it." - Ted Kennedy (D-HELL)
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To: curth

Had enough yet?


22 posted on 09/19/2009 5:38:39 PM PDT by devistate one four (Back by popular demand: America love or leave it (GTFOOMC) TET68)
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To: curth

This is simply stealing property and wages. The government has no right to do this. The Constitution protects property rights and says that the government can only take property in limited situations and that it must justly compensate the property owner.

I wish the governor would have the water turned on and that he would place the national guard on the site to keep anyone from turning the water off. What would the judges do them? Andrew Jackson defied the Supreme Court. We need leaders like him right now. What makes the Supreme Court supreme? Does the word supreme mean that they are above the President, legislators, governors and the voters? They are not supreme over everyone, they are only supreme over other courts. They do not have any special rights above everyone else. That would make them dictators.

We don’t beg or plead for our rights - we DEMAND them!


23 posted on 09/19/2009 5:39:41 PM PDT by cradle of freedom (Long live the Republic !)
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To: ScottinVA

“What exactly would happen if they, the Central Valley farmers, turned out en masse and forced open the water valves themselves? Is it possible? Is it not time to take their very survival into their own hands?”

This is exactly what I would try to do, were I out there and in their shoes. Massive civil disobedience. Take the water.


24 posted on 09/19/2009 5:40:15 PM PDT by sand lake bar (Take that thing off your head and act like an American!)
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To: curth

But, but what about all the corn that was supposed to fill our gas tanks!


25 posted on 09/19/2009 5:42:55 PM PDT by bgill (The framers of the US Constitution established an entire federal government in 18 pages.)
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To: All
Image and video hosting by TinyPic Yeah! Go get 'em, Bubba.
26 posted on 09/19/2009 5:42:57 PM PDT by patriot08 (TEXAS GAL- born and bred and proud of it!)
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To: Nik Naym

I’ll suggest it, though at this point I don’t think firearms are needed. Just a lot of strong minded people. Turn the valve, let the water flow.


27 posted on 09/19/2009 5:44:46 PM PDT by sand lake bar (Take that thing off your head and act like an American!)
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To: Arizona Carolyn

WTH? And they are supposed to be the good guys.


28 posted on 09/19/2009 5:46:48 PM PDT by Islaminaction
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To: ScottinVA

A free country is not govt controlled.
Obvious conclusion about the USA is?

Think we are free?

Try buying some raw land and then just building on it without Govt approval$$$$.

Try being retired elderly with little income and unable to pay the annual property tax. And try to keep the Govt from throwing the old folks out of their home.

Free country indeed.


29 posted on 09/19/2009 5:56:05 PM PDT by OldArmy52 (The German High Command sent Lenin to destabilize Russia. Who sent Obama?)
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To: wally_bert

Unfortunately, Gov S’s toughness begins with the film’s title and ends with the credits. As a Governor, he campaigned as the Terminator and governed as PeeWee Herman (not the tough guy he portrays in the movies).

HUGE disappointment. Will vote for Daffy Duck before vote for Gov Wimponator again.


30 posted on 09/19/2009 5:59:24 PM PDT by OldArmy52 (The German High Command sent Lenin to destabilize Russia. Who sent Obama?)
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To: Arizona Carolyn

Could you clarify who you are talking about? I am interested in this issue but don’t understand your post.


31 posted on 09/19/2009 6:04:30 PM PDT by bushwon ("If you think healthcare is expensive now, just wait till it is free! "~ PJ O'Rourke)
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To: curth

Guys, this is going to affect the entire nation next year, especially with this ethynol crazy administration. Food shortages are coming.


32 posted on 09/19/2009 6:04:35 PM PDT by autumnraine (You can't fix stupid, but you can vote it out!)
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To: OldArmy52

I had high hopes for Arnie but it wasn’t long after he became the guv that disappointment set in.


33 posted on 09/19/2009 6:16:12 PM PDT by wally_bert (It's sheer elegance in its simplicity! - The Middleman)
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To: Islaminaction

It’s Pelosi and George Miller, they want the farmers to go bankrupt and sell their farms so they can buy them and turn the area into a solar farm from which they will profit handsomely.


34 posted on 09/19/2009 6:16:19 PM PDT by Joiseydude (I'd rather die on my feet, than live on my knees. Live free or die.)
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To: Joiseydude

I didn’t know that. Pelosi is an evil witch.

Thanks.


35 posted on 09/19/2009 6:18:10 PM PDT by Islaminaction
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To: LifeComesFirst

Sorry, but I’m not on the farmer’s side, they are getting water subsidies off the tax-payers. Let *them* cover the full cost of irrigation, not the tax-payer. This isn’t an environmental issue, it’s an economic issue. If this farming would be so good for the economy then private investors would be funding it, including the irrigation.


This is the first I have heard about subsidies for water. Can you elaborate?

I don’t think it has anything to do with refusal to pay their fair share. Do you know that they are not paying for their irrigation???

From what I have heard, the EPA is shutting them down due to environmental impact of Delta Smelt. From what I understand, they were guaranteed water rights when farms were established long ago. The state wanted them to farm. I am not sure some of their legit water is not being damned up farther north...some areas are.

So it is about a fish, the delta smelt versus economics. The ag economy is a little different from other sectors of the economy, which may explain the issue of subsidies if in fact they are receiving them. If we have no food, we have a major problem that becomes an issue of national security The food supply needs to be maintained and they are a critical part of that.

In addition to not growing, they are not paying taxes, jobs are lost so welfare is increased. IMHO, it makes no senses to keep the water damned up north of them.


36 posted on 09/19/2009 6:28:26 PM PDT by bushwon ("If you think healthcare is expensive now, just wait till it is free! "~ PJ O'Rourke)
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To: LifeComesFirst

California has a system of dams and canals which captures whatever snowfall or rain we receive. Over the years, the Federal government has decided our God-given water is THEIRS to tinker with, so we were forced to SELL water to Southern California because it never rains there supposedly.
Then the enviro-whacko’s took over the Delta and the water supply and now we have to protect a Fairy Shrimp and now this Smelt. When you pay $10 for a head of lettuce and $5 for one tomato, please thank the environmental/Green movement. The sad part, is that these people, the farmers, mostly Hispanic, have NO voice in this. They are the ones standing in line for food, wondering whatever possessed them to come to America in the first place.


37 posted on 09/19/2009 6:30:02 PM PDT by Semperfiwife (Yes we are the Sons, we are the Sons, the Sons of Liberty!!!)
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To: LifeComesFirst

California has a system of dams and canals which captures whatever snowfall or rain we receive. Over the years, the Federal government has decided our God-given water is THEIRS to tinker with, so we were forced to SELL water to Southern California because it never rains there supposedly.
Then the enviro-whacko’s took over the Delta and the water supply and now we have to protect a Fairy Shrimp and now this Smelt. When you pay $10 for a head of lettuce and $5 for one tomato, please thank the environmental/Green movement. The sad part, is that these people, the farmers, mostly Hispanic, have NO voice in this. They are the ones standing in line for food, wondering whatever possessed them to come to America in the first place.


38 posted on 09/19/2009 6:30:25 PM PDT by Semperfiwife (Yes we are the Sons, we are the Sons, the Sons of Liberty!!!)
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To: bushwon

Should add that if the trees dry up and fields turn to dust, it will not be an immediate re-establishment of food supply from that area any time soon. Part of the reason there are ag subsidies is because of the boom/bust nature of agriculture. Our economy depends on a constant, dependable food supply, which many argue subsdies ensure.


39 posted on 09/19/2009 6:31:12 PM PDT by bushwon ("If you think healthcare is expensive now, just wait till it is free! "~ PJ O'Rourke)
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To: curth

Hannity had the rally at Fresno last week. He interviewed a SF environmentalist who said the water was turned off to protect the salmon runs because all the wild salmon are dying. There is a good deal of evidence that the salmon are dying because of proximity to farmed salmon from which they contract a parasite.

Much of the water is polluted because of raw sewage from cities without sewage treatment plants.

The water situation is very complex and has been dominated by politics for 100 years.

It will take a good bit of research (honest research) and thought to resolve all the deals that have been made and introduce an truly free market to California’s water problems. It was absolutely unconscionable to turn off the water for the Delta Smelt.

Of course it is obvious that when the small farmers and landholders have been driven out the land will be bought up by corporations and farms turned into factories.


40 posted on 09/19/2009 6:35:07 PM PDT by Bhoy
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To: Bhoy

“... and farms turned into factories.”

Sorry don’t mean “factories.” I mean corporate farms.

Should have previewed better.


41 posted on 09/19/2009 6:39:51 PM PDT by Bhoy
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To: bushwon
hehe, "delta smelt." That sounds funny. Anyway, water subsidies for farmer's (as well as other subsidies and kickbacks for farmer's via the tax-payer) are a common complaint among economists, I imagine just about every econ primer and intro to econ textbook touches on them, since they seem to exist in just about every country (see Japan). Here are some articles I found: http://www.freetrade.org/node/493 http://downsizing.cato.org/agriculture/subsidies#2 http://www.independent.org/newsroom/article.asp?id=2386 Good paragraph: "Irrigation districts use artificially low-priced electricity. The electricity is produced by federally funded dams to pump water. These water subsidies increase production of farm products and are quite substantial. It has been estimated that the capitalized value of water subsidies for a 160-acre California farm may exceed $100,000. Without some $2 billion in annual agricultural water subsidies, the huge impact of the West on the production of farm products would be greatly diminished—including the growing of cotton in the Arizona desert, according to a Cato Institute study (“Six Reasons to Kill Farm Subsidies and Trade Barriers,” February 1, 2006). The costs are borne by taxpayers, not consumers of farm products—and by other users of water, urban and recreational."
42 posted on 09/19/2009 7:26:37 PM PDT by LifeComesFirst (Until the unborn are free, nobody is free.)
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To: Bhoy

the land will be bought up by corporations and farms turned into factories.


LOL, Build factories in California?????????


43 posted on 09/19/2009 7:41:03 PM PDT by Joan Kerrey (bigger government = smaller people)
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To: Joan Kerrey

I know, I know. I fixed it next post. Be nice.


44 posted on 09/19/2009 7:44:18 PM PDT by Bhoy
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To: Plumres

My grandfather did this when he was alive. The first thing he taught me was that canned biscuits are “Democrat” biscuits. I can’t stand canned biscuits.


45 posted on 09/19/2009 7:55:43 PM PDT by TNdandelion (I'd rather have FedEx run my healthcare than USPS.)
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To: LifeComesFirst

Well thanks for the elaboration. From what I understand subsidies were established because of the complexity of the agricultural economy and its stragetic importance. If a farmer or farm goes under, it is not an immediate fix. If a farmer loses his crop due to weather or politics (neither of which he has much control over), not only the farmer, but the nation is in peril. Subsidies were established to ensure a more consistent food supply as a matter of national security—sort of like petroleum reserves, purchase of govt. cheese etc. Of course, given the way our governmment has behaved, I am sure we are not meeting the mission reaquirements any more. That said, I believe that the Cali farmers in the San Joaquin Valley are being victimized by the EPA over a 2” fish, the Delta Smelt.

From the articles I have and local Cali radio programs I have heard in addition to Sean Hannity, the EPA that has been putting the kaabosh on the livelihood of the farmers in the San Joaquin Valley. Sorry, but I tend to agree with Hannity & other posters’ assessment that water from the area was damned up. They had been promised irrigation. From Hannity’s most recent program and google research, it seems like perhaps that the salmon fisherman had an in with the EPA the some Pacific fisherman federation and got them to turn off the water. Since the EPA wants land to return to non-tillable status, they worked with the fisherman. Fisherman seem to want to return the land to delta status, so salmon can be more easily fished up north as their industry has been hurting—some say due to over fishing.

So it seems that this whole issue is ripe with politics—not just economics


46 posted on 09/19/2009 8:55:40 PM PDT by bushwon ("If you think healthcare is expensive now, just wait till it is free! "~ PJ O'Rourke)
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To: jessduntno

That’s a good one! Laughed my a#* off!


47 posted on 09/19/2009 10:02:49 PM PDT by jackieh
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To: bushwon

It is an economic issue through and through, and I’m not debating whether or not water was dammed or wasn’t dammed, or what motive the EPA had.

No offense, but it seems like you don’t fully understand the economics of the situation. Frankly, the issue is impossible to understand without a solid understanding of prices based on supply and demand and how they coordinate the entire economy. We have farmers growing crops on land that—were the actual cost of the irrigated water passed onto them and not the tax-payers—they wouldn’t use. Rather, resources would be put into farming elsewhere. Or, instead of growing those crops domestically, they’d be imported. In the absence of subsidies, farming would be done according to the dictates of market forces, which is to say, they’d be done efficiently.

No single person, and no committee, can say what the “right” amount of food production is or the “right” amount of food storage ought to be. Thanks to the market, we don’t have to worry about what would happen if for whatever reason American farming suddenly stopped—we’d just import what we need. Many nations have not produced enough food by themselves to feed themselves for decades if not centuries—they import. If this concerns you, it shouldn’t. Importing wheat from Argentina is no different from importing crops from California to whatever state you are in. The economic principles don’t change because of lines on a map. Greater scarcity of a good in one area leads to higher prices, which leads to greater importation to that area, which then results in a lowering of prices. Prices guide resources to where they are valued most.

Many famines have been *avoided* because the price system was allowed to work, that is, no direct price controls, tariffs, subsidies, etc. were in place to disrupt the natural workings of the market. By the same token, many crippling shortages of food were created because prices were not allowed to rise. Price freezes after disasters are a popular government policy, they are also catastrophic in the effects they can have. The Siege of Leningrad could have gone better for the Russians had they not frozen the prices of food. Cities under siege that allowed price to rise to stratospheric heights did not suffer massive food shortages.

Thomas Sowell’s Basic Economics is an excellent layman’s primer for econ, no jargon or graphs or nasty ol’ math.


48 posted on 09/19/2009 10:44:43 PM PDT by LifeComesFirst (Until the unborn are free, nobody is free.)
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To: LifeComesFirst

Eh, Sorry, I think I will just have to agree to disagree. Close family member has PhD in agronomy/plant genetics, so I do actually know a little about the agricultural economy and agriculture.

I note that you are not from Cali, but from Ohio, so I am going to take word and side of Hannity, local farmers, and my family agricultural expert say.


49 posted on 09/19/2009 11:23:48 PM PDT by bushwon ("If you think healthcare is expensive now, just wait till it is free! "~ PJ O'Rourke)
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To: bushwon

Enviromentalists — hard core enviros... I know this from a personal experience with having discussions with a bunch of people from the Backpackers.com site.. quite an eye-opener how they think...


50 posted on 09/20/2009 11:32:17 AM PDT by Arizona Carolyn
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