TerriK INVESTIGATION, PART 2: (More from Donofrio and Hawaii)

Naturalborncitizen Blog ^ | 9/27-09 | Leo DonoFrio

[Danae]

TerriK INVESTIGATION, PART 2: OIP Staff Attorney Linden Joesting’s Response to TerriK’s Appeal Appears To Confirm That The DoH Maintains Amended Vital Records For President Obama.

The UIPA at 92F-3 explicitly defines “government records” as follows:

“Government record” means information maintained by an agency in written, auditory, visual, electronic, or other physical form.

When a state agency in Hawaii is faced with a request for government records, the Office of Information Practices Administrative Rules govern all responses to such a request.  State agencies may not issue a response which doesn’t conform to the OIP Administrative Rules.

Agencies must answer every request for government records within the four following types of response:

1.  the agency has the record and will provide it to you

2. the agency does not maintain/possess the record

3.  the agency has the record but you are denied access to it

4. the agency needs more information from you to understand your request

These are examples of the four basic responses available to a state agency.  For example, an agency may not tell a person that the agency refuses to say whether they possess a certain record.

This very issue was discussed  in OIP Opinion Letter 97-08, wherein a staff attorney for the Corporation Counsel was faced with a UIPA request concerning a legal memo.  The staff attorney refused to acknowledge whether the legal memo existed by citing attorney client privilege.

[Danae]

A Whole can of whompass at the link!

[Danae]

Whompass ping!

[missnry]

That’s a good read. Whatever is in these birth recordS is worth millions for Barack to keep secret!
People don’t realize that we have a poser who can be blackmailed with these secrets. People who say this doesn’t matter do not realize what his refusal to come clean on these documents means for America. The man in the highest office of the land is a National Security risk!

[Frantzie]

Leo Rocks! So does Terri K - her digging around and letter wriing made this happen. Great job by two patriots!

Hawaii needs to come clean or Americans who do not support Obama need to know how the state’s corruption caused this nightmare. I can afford to go to Hawaii but I never will.

Hit em in the pocketbook. Las Vegas is feeling the effects of the Hussein Depression and people boycotting Vegas.

[Danae]

BINGO!

Yep, the house of cards is comin down.

[Danae]

Hawaii is a very different place. They do things differently there, they think differently. Its not easy to explain, you have to have lived there to really understand it. Obama made it very clear to some people that ALL his records were to be kept from the public, in violation of the State’s laws. That or someone high up in Hawaii decided to take that responsibility on their own. They cannot do this legally, and therefore they have really stuck themselves in a damn tight spot. One that is not going to protect them.

Leo and Terry are right dead on with this. Its going to get really interesting from here on out!

[Frantzie]

Yup. I had heard that is is like a banana republic. Leo and Terry have done an incredible job. Leo has sung Terry praises often. He has said on his blog that it is a real honor for him to be working with Terry.

They are a great team and real patriots like Hannah and James.

[Deepest End]

I know the same thing has already been posted on the other thread ... but ... Natural Born Citizen ping

[missnry]

Yep, the house of cards is comin down.

And the house of cards is a deck of all Jokers!

[missnry]

[STARWISE]

~~DING!

[MHGinTN]

Leo praising the HI attorney seems a bit premature since the letter Leo posted has a very obfuscatory sentence in it with regard to ‘whom may legitimately request’ HI data.

[bitt]

whooo hoo!

[jcsjcm]

Thanks STARWISE

I would miss some of these stories without you!

[PubliusMM]

Fascinating. Keep the heat on him from ALL quarters. The truth will come out, eventually.

It’s time to take back the country.

[hoosiermama]

They are a great team and real patriots like Hannah and James.

Front page of Indianapolis Star this morning headline says that ACORN is no longer in Indiana.... May: office in Gary closed due to "legal problems". This Week: Indianapolis employees let go thanks to the KIDS. (Have two volunteers coming from out of state to man but expect complete closure soon)

[LucyT]

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[STARWISE]

Welcome .. ;)

[STARWISE]

Read it again .. and all the comments, questions and his responses. Should clarify things.

[ExTexasRedhead]

Dingy Harry is TOAST in Nevada. The boys in Vegas aren’t happy and the voters despise him too. RATs in Congress better pay attention to Dingy’s upcoming political disgrace. 2010 ain’t gonna be a good year for America’s political traitors. We The People will be at the polls to clean the nest of sewer RATs out. RINO’s would be wise to take note too.

[thecodont]

Thanks for the ping.

I read all of the comments to the linked article.

One interesting reference was to “The Cuckoo’s Egg: Tracking a Spy Through the Maze of Computer Espionage” by Cliff Stoll. A computer scientist at Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory stumbled upon a great espionage plot (West German hacker attempting to hack U.S. military computers and sell secrets to the KGB) through a 75-cent accounting error (discovered through logs of computer time use). The comparison is made: the fabric is beginning to unravel.

I hope we will soon reach this saturation point.

[conservativegramma]

Front page of Indianapolis Star this morning headline says that ACORN is no longer in Indiana.... May: office in Gary closed due to "legal problems". This Week: Indianapolis employees let go thanks to the KIDS. (Have two volunteers coming from out of state to man but expect complete closure soon)

WHOO HOO! Thanks for that update. I searched Indystar and was able to read up a bit.

ACORN Has Scaled Back Indiana Operations

[Frantzie]

Good job by the state of Indiana. They need to stay on these rats because they will turn up in another Obama/SEIU front group.

Where are other Republican governors like Charlie Crist in FL? He has a Repub attorney general in Bill McCollum who is a conservative. The FL state police - FDLE is pretty good at busting corrupt politicians too. they should be all over ACORN. Ditto other states.

[Frantzie]

LOL! I think Leo and TerriK are also pitbulls. Terri K is not going to take no from the corrupt pols in Hawaii. HI is looking like a totally corrupt toilet.

[Danae]

It goes pretty deep thats fer sur!

[Frantzie]

I am going to go through Leo’s blog tonight but does anyone know ir Leo/TerriK have the right to access the whole fiel now or just the changes?

I think there is a man now (Crawford or something) who has also been requesting docs in HI. I wonder what we can do to help Leo and TerriK?

[hoosiermama]

I wonder what we can do to help Leo and TerriK?

[DoughtyOne]

Great, Dingy is Toast. Come January 2011, I’m looking for a lost of post toasties. ;-)

[shield]

bfl

[Lundy_s Lane II]

I hope this line of attack by Leo works.

But it is not clear to me that the OIP is going to enforce the UIPA requests. Then this can go to a court. But why should we think that a judge will even hear the case.

SCOTUS has refused to address the NBC issue directly when they know that there is real question.

Obama appears to be above the law.

[Frantzie]

I think Leo has said that the state statutes specifically say the documents have to be released. I wonder if he just gets the changes or the full file. Also can the state redact the files with a black magic marker.

[Danae]

The state has to. Its the law. It cannot be used as both sword and shield as Terry put it. A lawyer for a company can’t say well this other company is guilty of XYZ but I can’t release the information that proves it because of attorney client privilege, you just have to trust me on that. That sort of thing does not fly with the courts.

[Lundy_s Lane II]

My reading of what Leo has posted is that the DoH should (is supposed to) provide the index data and state whether an amendment to BHO birth records exist.

He is banking on the DoH actually correctly following the procedures or being forced to do so.

I do not think Leo thinks he can get a long form birth certificate out of the DoH with this method.

There is a possibility that since the COLB has been made public that Obama lost rights to claim that data as private.

But if they go after Maya’s index data that would prove that someone born in another country could obtain a COLB from Hawaii.

[newfreep]

"Also can the state redact the files with a black magic marker?"

Great question - no doubt ZERO will do whatever is required to hide OR destroy the information.

[little jeremiah]

Thanks. I hope I can understand the legal language. I am in many ways a dolt.

[Lundy_s Lane II]

I hope that you are right.

So far Obama has used the law as a sword to force open the seal on his Senate opponent’s divorce records and a shield to keep all of his records sealed up tighter than a drum.

[rodguy911]

The FDLE is as good as FLa. law enforcement gets. They are truly a professional organization made up of the best of local law enforcement promoted to the state level.

My daughter worked for them for a few years.

Crist is a whole other story however.

[Electric Graffiti]

Aloha Terri K,

......

Therefore, neither a birth certificate nor any information related to a birth certificate may be disclosed to a person who does not have a direct and tangible interest in it. You have not shown that you have such an interest in President Obama’s birth certificate, so we cannot disclose to you the birth certificate or any related information.

We now consider this matter closed. We do not plan to respond to further UIPA requests from you for President Obama’s birth certificate or any related information.

Janice Okubo

Sounds like the DOH is doubling down. They're going to bat for the Marxist Usurper. Leo seems optimistic that he has a case. With what Fukino and Okubo have released so far, does anyone believe they will release information on fees and DOH proceedures regarding Ogabe's vital records?

[roaddog727]

Bumperoo!

[FARS]

In case you missed any of these.

Some repeats (usually embellished) you may have seen and also new material. The Looking for a Hero is great.

Note: “noiri” provides the permalink to these articles and stands for “No Islamic Regime (in) Iran”

MUST VIEW/LISTEN VIDEO. Inspirational on Iran. LOOKING FOR A HERO.
http://noiri.blogspot.com/2009/09/looking-for-hero.html

COMPARE two presidents’ view on Iran (two videos together)
http://noiri.blogspot.com/2009/09/compare-bush-for-people-oba-hussein-for.html

OBAMA RECORDS IN HAWAII – New legal activity
http://noiri.blogspot.com/2009/09/access-to-records-in-hawaii-heating-up.html

DEMOCRATIC NATIONAL COMMITTEE only Certified Obama in ONE State (Hawaii) NOT the OTHER 49
http://noiri.blogspot.com/2009/09/obama-was-only-certified-as-eligible-by.html

HOW OBAMA CONFRONTS IRAN
http://noiri.blogspot.com/2009/09/oba-hussein-i-shaved-my-legs-for-this.html

BRAIN WASHING IN SCHOOLS
http://noiri.blogspot.com/2009/09/maos-china-hitlers-germany-stalins.html

FAIL TO BUY HEALTH CARE Go to Jail!
http://noiri.blogspot.com/2009/09/fail-to-buy-health-insurance-go-to-jail.html

info@antimullah.com

[FARS]

In case you missed any of these.

Some repeats (usually embellished) you may have seen and also new material. The Looking for a Hero is great.

Note: “noiri” provides the permalink to these articles and stands for “No Islamic Regime (in) Iran”

MUST VIEW/LISTEN VIDEO. Inspirational on Iran. LOOKING FOR A HERO.
http://noiri.blogspot.com/2009/09/looking-for-hero.html

COMPARE two presidents’ view on Iran (two videos together)
http://noiri.blogspot.com/2009/09/compare-bush-for-people-oba-hussein-for.html

OBAMA RECORDS IN HAWAII – New legal activity
http://noiri.blogspot.com/2009/09/access-to-records-in-hawaii-heating-up.html

DEMOCRATIC NATIONAL COMMITTEE only Certified Obama in ONE State (Hawaii) NOT the OTHER 49
http://noiri.blogspot.com/2009/09/obama-was-only-certified-as-eligible-by.html

HOW OBAMA CONFRONTS IRAN
http://noiri.blogspot.com/2009/09/oba-hussein-i-shaved-my-legs-for-this.html

BRAIN WASHING IN SCHOOLS
http://noiri.blogspot.com/2009/09/maos-china-hitlers-germany-stalins.html

FAIL TO BUY HEALTH CARE Go to Jail!
http://noiri.blogspot.com/2009/09/fail-to-buy-health-insurance-go-to-jail.html

info@antimullah.com

[Red Steel]

does anyone believe they will release information on fees and DOH proceedures regarding Ogabe's vital records?

They are going to have to sue Hawaii in court just to see the indicative data related to Obama's birth records.

[AZ .44 MAG]

Thanks for the ping.

I hope this is disturbing Oblahblah’s sleep.

[mad_as_he$$]

Winner!

[HoneysuckleTN]

Could you please add me to your birth certificate ping list? Thanks!

[Danae]

EG, I absolutely do. Okubo and Fukino are completely ignoring part of the Hawaiian Statute. Its §338-18 (13) section (d) “Index data consisting of name and sex of the registrant, type of vital event, and such other data as the director may authorize shall be made available to the public.”

Which means that any documents other than those which are protected like the long form, must be released. Such as reciepts for the purchase of COLB’s. Those documents are NOT protected by Privacy laws and MUST be made available. :) Because Hawaii is breaking its own laws, Terry has standing to Sue. And ALL Americans have the right to request those records not specifically covered by privacy laws or sealed by court order (ie Adoption records).

Interesting note here, Hawaii has admitted they have more than one record. We know Barry was adopted. That would have been something that would have been changed on his birth certificate, his COLB as well, and listed as AMENDED on that COLB. Barry would have been able to get certain privileges in Indonesia with that listing of Lolo Soetoro as his father - also listed as an Indonesian citizen. It means Barry likely could have used it to get Indonesian citizenship based on the fact that the father listed on his COLB is Indonesian.

So... Barry can get an Indonesian passport with it as well later in life.

Interesting no?

Now, the COLB that Obama put up on fact check shows Obama sr as his dad, so the Birth records got amended again. In Hawaii if the Adoption is invalidated his birth records would have reverted to what they were previously.

Golly, I wonder when Barry did that?

I am betting that Barry had a COLB at some point in his life that listed Lolo Soetoro as his father, an Indonesian citizen.

Thats all academic, the fact that Barry’s Birth father is/was British - Kenyan, makes him Constitutionally NOT a Natural Born Citizen.

Barry should be in jail right now.

[Red Steel]

That would have been something that would have been changed on his birth certificate, his COLB as well, and listed as AMENDED on that COLB.

And is more evidence that Obama's COLB Chrissssy Mathews waved to the world is a forgery.

[Danae]

Nah, more than likely its real. He just had to nullify the Adoption in his birth records, which he could have done. The question is when was that done? After 1980 when he went to Pakistan perhaps?? Or perhaps after he went to college, as a foreign Student?

Hawaii makes it pretty easy for a person to change their records, nullifying an adoption so that his birth record reflects his birth father would be easy to do. Otherwise, after his adoption by Lolo Soetoro, his COLB would have listed Lolo as his dad and that he had an amended birth record. Obviously he doesn’t have lolo on his COLB so that means that Obama has amended his birth records a couple of times in his lifetime.

The question I have is when did he change it back?

Like I said, its still irrelevant, what IS relevant is Barry’s dad was Kenyan-British, which makes Barry a citizen of the US, but NOT a Natural Born citizen. You HAVE to have two American Parents for that. At the VERY minimum.

[FTJM]

"Yes, you may ask for a copy of the invoice and receipt. If the agency has the documents in electronic form, or can easily convert the documents into an electronic form, then they may send it to you electronically. If no amendments were made, there would not be any such documents and the agency should inform you of that fact."

You've got to be kidding me.

[Danae]

Nope. Not even remotely.

THe state can answer with one of four responses:

From Leo’s site:

1. the agency has the record and will provide it to you

2. the agency does not maintain/possess the record

3. the agency has the record but you are denied access to it

4. the agency needs more information from you to understand your request

The DoH and OIP Eventually answered with # 3 but it took a while to force that answer. Mostly because it forced the state to statutorily ADMIT they have them! They really didn’t even want to do that.

It gets really interesting from here on out, because at that point in the investigation Terry wasn’t done with her questions! :)