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Surplus M1 Carbine Rifles Are For Sale At The Civilian Marksmanship Program
secondamendmentfreedom.blogspot.com ^ | 09/30/09 | Sasparilla

Posted on 09/30/2009 9:12:27 AM PDT by Sasparilla

Buy a fine semiautomatic American combat rifle now, before Obama realizes that the Government has turned over actual semiautomatic U.S. military rifles to the Civilian Marksmanship Program to sell to Americans. Obama is busy with other important things now, like going to Copenhagen to bring the Olympics to Chicago.

These make excellent collector's pieces, with the added benefit using them for personal defense at a reasonable price.

A limited number of M1 carbines loaned by us to foreign governments, and just returned to us, are available for sale from the Civilian Marksmanship Program. The CMP is the sales agency for this authentic and legitimate government surplus.

Inland, Underwood, Winchester, National Postal Meter, Standard Products, and Saginaw M1 Carbines are available for a limited time for $419.00 to $625.00, depending on manufacturer.

There are the CMP requirements to buy one of these workhorse battle tested classics. Only U.S. Citizens are eligible to buy our own surplus rifles from the CMP. Other than hitting the target every time, this is the only gun control policy that could ever be considered "common sense gun control" because our tax dollars originally paid for these guns, and they should be rightfully returned to American citizens only.

Other requirements are the usual rifle purchase ones. Your application information will be checked against the FBI National Instant Criminal Check System (NICS), but you don't have to fill out the normal 4473 form.

Additionally, you must provide a copy of a U.S. birth certificate(Could Obama do this?), passport, or any other official government document that shows birth in the US. You must provide proof of age, and membership in a CMP affiliated organization. There are many easy to find clubs that you can join online for as little as $25.00. You must show proof of marksmanship or...

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1 posted on 09/30/2009 9:12:27 AM PDT by Sasparilla
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To: Sasparilla

There is a long wait for the big backlog. They have been going overtime since the election. Good product though.


2 posted on 09/30/2009 9:14:56 AM PDT by mountainlion (concerned conservative.)
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To: mountainlion
Big 5 sporting goods has M-1’s for $799 on the shelf.
3 posted on 09/30/2009 9:15:52 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (Beneath this mask there is an idea, Mr. Creedy, and ideas are bulletproof. V for victory)
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To: Sasparilla

I have a Saginaw.

Mfg date Sept, 1943 stamped on the barrel.

Nice little gun.


4 posted on 09/30/2009 9:16:52 AM PDT by djf (I ain't got time to read all the whines!!!)
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To: Sasparilla

I’m surprised that Obama didn’t order these guns destroyed rather than put them into the hands of law abiding citizens.


5 posted on 09/30/2009 9:17:25 AM PDT by The Great RJ ("The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money." M. Thatcher)
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To: Sasparilla

bump


6 posted on 09/30/2009 9:20:07 AM PDT by VOA
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To: mountainlion
Just slapped an Ultimak rail on mine yesterday!!


7 posted on 09/30/2009 9:20:14 AM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: Sasparilla

My father and I both got M1 Garands from cmp ( was called DCM)


8 posted on 09/30/2009 9:20:18 AM PDT by squibs
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To: Sasparilla
Yea I know it's a dinky little carbine chambered for a pistol cartridge. I know it's obsolete.

I want one anyway.

9 posted on 09/30/2009 9:20:58 AM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: mad_as_he$$
I would sell all of my M1’s for $650.
10 posted on 09/30/2009 9:20:58 AM PDT by mountainlion (concerned conservative.)
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To: mountainlion

I bought a can of 30.06 from them. Delivery took 5 months. But, they keep you advised on the progress of your order by email. They don’t forget about you. There has been a big backlog and run on surplus firearms and ammunition at CMP since October, 2008 and the advent of the “Obama Age.”


11 posted on 09/30/2009 9:21:00 AM PDT by Sasparilla
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To: djf

I am from Michigan. How cool is that. A gun made in Saginaw.


12 posted on 09/30/2009 9:21:10 AM PDT by 70th Division (I love my country but fear my government!)
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To: djf

Yeah, but can they kill zombies?


13 posted on 09/30/2009 9:22:46 AM PDT by Carpe Cerevisi
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To: 70th Division

There was a bunch of different manufacturers for them back then. Heck, I think RCA might have even been making them.


14 posted on 09/30/2009 9:23:09 AM PDT by djf (I ain't got time to read all the whines!!!)
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To: djf
I have a Saginaw.

Mine's a Standard Products, 1944

15 posted on 09/30/2009 9:25:40 AM PDT by Hot Tabasco (Who's your Long Legged MacDaddy?)
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To: Carpe Cerevisi

I’d have way more luck killing them with the carbine than with any of my handguns.

I can barely hit the side of a barn with a pistol, but am pretty spot on with a long gun.


16 posted on 09/30/2009 9:25:47 AM PDT by djf (I ain't got time to read all the whines!!!)
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To: djf

Not RCA it was NCR.


17 posted on 09/30/2009 9:26:25 AM PDT by pfflier
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To: Hot Tabasco

I.B.M made them during WWII too. What an International Business Machine!


18 posted on 09/30/2009 9:27:17 AM PDT by Sasparilla
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To: Lurker
.30 is quite a pistol round. That said, the M1 carbine wasn't intended to be a battle rifle. The M1 carbine was to replace the 1911 .45 pistol for non-frontline personnel, officers, and those with other primary weapons, like anti-tank gunners.
19 posted on 09/30/2009 9:28:29 AM PDT by SampleMan (No one should die on a gov. waiting list., or go broke because the gov. has dictated their salary.)
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To: Lurker
"Yea I know it's a dinky little carbine chambered for a pistol cartridge. I know it's obsolete."

That dinky little carbine has probably laid to rest more enemies of western civilization than any other single firearm.

Not only was it employed against Germany and Japan in WWII, it saw use against the n. Koreans and their Chinese Allies, and was used well into the Viet Nam conflict.

Above and beyond all that, it was pretty popular with the French in both North Africa and Indochina, and put to good use by the Israelis in many of their early conflicts, and was later employed in the Magal designed for Israeli police special operations (which used plain carbine mags)

Certainly there are more powerful cartridges out there, but the .30 carbine should not be sold short...

20 posted on 09/30/2009 9:30:05 AM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: Sasparilla

Bump.


21 posted on 09/30/2009 9:30:34 AM PDT by JimRed ("Hey, hey, Teddy K., hot enough down there today?" TERM LIMITS, NOW AND FOREVER!)
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To: mountainlion
"I would sell all of my M1’s for $650."

How many do you have? ;-)

22 posted on 09/30/2009 9:32:05 AM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: djf

True for most gun parts including bayonetts. AC spark Plug in Flint made 50 cal maching gun barrels. So did Singer.


23 posted on 09/30/2009 9:34:42 AM PDT by 70th Division (I love my country but fear my government!)
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To: 70th Division

24 posted on 09/30/2009 9:37:35 AM PDT by djf (I ain't got time to read all the whines!!!)
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To: Carpe Cerevisi

The carbine is very highly rated in the Zombie Survival Guide.


25 posted on 09/30/2009 9:38:46 AM PDT by xkaydet65 (atement)
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To: Sasparilla

Bump for Later


26 posted on 09/30/2009 9:40:41 AM PDT by Haiku Guy (If You have a Right / To the Service I provide / I must be a Slave)
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To: Carpe Cerevisi

With a headshot, sure. It’s not exactly a .30-06, but it still got the job done well enough in WW II. I wish I had the money to spring for one now, just to say I have one of the same type of rifle my father may have carried in WW II (he was a motor pool sergeant in the Philippines in 1945-46, so if he had any rifle, I imagine it was a lighter-weight M1 Carbine instead of a Garand).

}:-)4


27 posted on 09/30/2009 9:41:48 AM PDT by Moose4 (Ted Kennedy: "If they bring up Camelot, we get to bring up the lady in the lake.")
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To: xkaydet65
The carbine is very highly rated in the Zombie Survival Guide.

I didn't know that so I just checked out Wiki. And what do you know, I've got both an M-1 AND a machete.........I'm all set! LOL!

28 posted on 09/30/2009 9:54:14 AM PDT by Hot Tabasco (Who's your Long Legged MacDaddy?)
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To: Sasparilla

South Korea discovered thousands of M1 and Cardines that were stored and they figure the worth in the millions. I believe I read it of FR a couple of days ago.


29 posted on 09/30/2009 9:59:25 AM PDT by Rappini ("Pro deo et Patria.)
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To: Hot Tabasco

IIRC, it was also the gun Pacino used in “Dog Day Afternoon”


31 posted on 09/30/2009 10:00:45 AM PDT by djf (I ain't got time to read all the whines!!!)
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To: Carpe Cerevisi

No they can’t. They weren’t that good at killing Germans, Japs or Koreans either. If you are looking for a ranch rifle to kill coyotes and whistle pigs it might be good rifle, people not so much.


32 posted on 09/30/2009 10:16:34 AM PDT by equalitybeforethelaw
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To: Sasparilla

Soldiers rarely used the full distance of the M-1 Garand. The M-1 Carbine provided a good deal of short range firepower that was very useful during maneuver.

I think it got a bad rep in Korea, when a bunch of guys WHO MISSED said that the M-1 Carbine wouldn’t punch through the North Korean’s multi-layered clothing. Sure, if they’d been wrapping themselves in phone books.


33 posted on 09/30/2009 10:19:29 AM PDT by SJSAMPLE
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To: mad_as_he$$

I looked at one of those M-1s. The bore wasn’t just BAD... it was RUINT! I think you could chamber a cartridge, pull the trigger and actually lose the bullet before it gets out the muzzle! If you have a raesonable deal for changing the barrel it might be a good buy but don’t expect much from the rifle as it is now.


34 posted on 09/30/2009 10:29:37 AM PDT by oldfart (Obama nation = abomination. Think about it!)
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To: SJSAMPLE

My Father threw his away and started carrying a M1 Garand after his first fire fight (Bouganville). They shoot great, the problem is what you shoot at doesn’t go down. Arty unit in Korea counted 41 bullet holes in one sapper before he went down. Arty units were issued M1 Carbines, not Garands. Its a pistol round, not a rifle round. Ask yourself a simple question; would I go deer hunting with this rifle? If answer no, then don’t use for people or zombie hunting.


35 posted on 09/30/2009 10:32:28 AM PDT by equalitybeforethelaw
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To: equalitybeforethelaw

People always get to count the bullet holes AFTER the target goes down. Fact. I guarantee that the guy didn’t stay up for 41 bullet holes, unless everybody in his unit was aiming for his big toe.

It’s NOT a pistol round. Which pistol was invented for this round before the M-1 Carbine was introduced?

And, deer are far more robust than humans. They have a more distinct flight reflex, running with a lung blown out until they bleed out. A human doesn’t have the constitution to do that. And a deer doesn’t fire back, so the concept of suppressive fire and maneuver doesn’t enter into the equation, either.

Since the dawn of the firearm, soldiers have ALWAYS wanted more firepower. I can’t blame their initial desire, but at some point logic has to take over. Everybody wants to make the 1000yd shot, but they rarely see the enemy past 100 yards unless they’re in the desert.


36 posted on 09/30/2009 10:38:45 AM PDT by SJSAMPLE
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To: oldfart

CMP Carbines come in several grades of condition. CMP sometimes sells barrels only too. The CMP M1 Carbines have been repaired if necessary, head spaced for safety, and test fired for functionality.
CMP does have some junk guns, but they are the 30-40 Craigs and are sold as displays only.
No, the Carbines aren’t Garands, but they don’t have the Garand price. They are fun to use to punch holes in paper and Javelinas.
Also, they beat a baseball bat if someone is breaking into your home. 30 shots as fast as you can pull the trigger speaks pretty loudly to a burglar, even if they are all misses.


37 posted on 09/30/2009 10:43:07 AM PDT by Sasparilla
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To: Sasparilla

That’s one of the things I’ve always liked about it. It will fire as fast as you can pull the trigger.

When it’s machined to go full auto, it’s like 700-900 rpm.

That’ll chew through a 30 rnd clip pretty quick!


38 posted on 09/30/2009 10:47:43 AM PDT by djf (I ain't got time to read all the whines!!!)
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To: Joe 6-pack
Just slapped an Ultimak rail on mine...

I did the same with mine a few months ago, then mounted a Tru-Glo holographic sight. I now shoot much more accurately than I could with the standard iron sights.

The M-1 carbine is a sweet little weapon, especially with the upgraded sights!

39 posted on 09/30/2009 11:06:27 AM PDT by Gritty (Laws that forbid the carrying of arms disarm only those not inclined to commit crimes-T. Jefferson)
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To: Sasparilla

i think i’ll just grab a ruger mini-14 with a composite stock.


40 posted on 09/30/2009 11:08:51 AM PDT by thefactor (yes, as a matter of fact, i DID only read the excerpt)
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To: equalitybeforethelaw
"Ask yourself a simple question; would I go deer hunting with this rifle? If answer no, then don’t use for people or zombie hunting."

I wouldn't use a 5.56 for deer either.

41 posted on 09/30/2009 11:34:39 AM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: Sasparilla

I am still pissed off they didn’t make the M1 Carbine in .45 ACP and able to take Thompson mags. I have never wanted one but I would have loved to own one in .45. Dang it! Is conversion to .45 even possible?

Of course, not nearly as furious as when I think about all the surplus arms that monster Clinton had scrapped, melted down and destroyed during his reign of terror. Thousands and thousansd of Garands, Carbines, ‘03s, 1911s. Dirty rotten $#@%$#@!!!!!!111


42 posted on 09/30/2009 11:54:18 AM PDT by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (Depression Countdown: 50... 49... 48...)
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To: Lurker

“Yea I know it’s a dinky little carbine chambered for a pistol cartridge. I know it’s obsolete.

I want one anyway.”

I hope you reload cause that little carbine will eat you out of house and home :-)

But they are fun!


43 posted on 09/30/2009 11:55:22 AM PDT by EEDUDE
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To: Freedom_Is_Not_Free
Actually you can get pretty close to what you're looking for in the Ruger PC4...

...it's a .40 S&W and uses Ruger pistol mags...

44 posted on 09/30/2009 11:57:21 AM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: SJSAMPLE

.30 cal carbine round is not a full rifle charge. 5.56mm is. Weight and speed of the round determines wound channel. (greater weight and slower speed equal bigger wound channel) The .30 cal carbine does not bring people down. If given enough time to bleed out you will die from a .30 cal carbine round but it will take awhile. You are correct in your description of deer running and bleeding out, the same thing occurs with people. Especially people drugged up trying to die for mohammed. Knock down power is the ability to put the bad guy down fast, especially at close ranges (urban/jungle combat). We had serious problems with this in Falluejah with green tip ammo. It was too heavy and especially too fast. It creates the ice pick wound - straight and narrow creating a slow bleed out rate. This allows hajhi more time to close and kill. The 5.56mm green tip was given greate weight and higher propulsion in the early 1980s to allow it to be used as belted ammo for the Squad Automatic Weapon. SAW needed performance to 700m so the upped the charge and weight. Result was when ammo used at short range on thin chested bad guys it just spike through the body and the body continued to charge. Big problem. Not being a know it all but .30 cal carbine was never produced after WWII for a reason. We used it in Korea because it was available and our little asian allies found it easier to shoot. It is not a combat weapon, and will get people killed who think it is.


45 posted on 09/30/2009 12:16:09 PM PDT by equalitybeforethelaw
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To: Sasparilla

any CMP links?


46 posted on 09/30/2009 12:26:27 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Hot Tabasco

Add a Ka bar knife to that too!


47 posted on 09/30/2009 12:29:43 PM PDT by wxgesr (I want to be the first person to surf on another planet!)
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To: equalitybeforethelaw

1. “Knock Down Power” is a myth. It’s a mathematical computation that doesn’t correlate to actual performance on tissue. Greater weight and slower speed DO NOT equal a bigger wound channel. A larger bullet diameter MIGHT, but the hydrostatic effect on tissue (from velocity) and fragmentation is what really makes the permanent wound channel larger.

2. It isn’t perfect, but there are plenty of people who use the same reasoning for the 5.56mm, which you call a “full rifle charge”. It isn’t. It’s an assault rifle cartridge (med power round). I could easily argue that Lake City isn’t making 30.06 any more, but that wouldn’t prove a thing. We moved on from the M-1 Garand as well. Doesn’t mean it was particularly bad, does it?

3. Green tip (M855) is acutally slower than the previous M913 55gr round. You’re correct in the “ice pick” effect, because while the M855 isn’t really “armor piercing”, it didn’t fragment as well as the M193. For that matter, 7.62mm FMJ doen’t fragment like the M193 and, as far as terminal ballistics go, relies 100% on the 37% greater bullet diameter. It’s really only better at much longer ranges and for shooting through cover/armor. Inside common combat ranges (under 100m), the 5.56mm has greater terminal ballistics on the body. Velocity and fragmentation.

Again, there are THOUSANDS of stories about people taking 5, 10 or even “41” rounds to go down. That alone should make any reasonable skeptic say, “WTF?” and rethink the story.

I’ve been told, “I fired the entire magazine and he didn’t go down.”
To which, I immediately reply, “You missed.”


48 posted on 09/30/2009 12:34:38 PM PDT by SJSAMPLE
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To: longtermmemmory

http://www.odcmp.com/


49 posted on 09/30/2009 12:45:16 PM PDT by Sasparilla
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To: SJSAMPLE

Not to be disagreeable but I disagree. There is such a thing as knock down power - it’s best representative is the .45 ACP round. It was designed to specifically put down drugged up asian muslims who used hemp rope as torso bullet protection. The round did exactly what is was designed to do-put down bad guys fast. The round saw real world testing from Phillipines, WWI, WWII, Korea, and Vietnam. The first time we had close combat with the 9mm in room to room engagements we had problems (7 to 9 hits to enemy personnel before they were down). Two rounds, similar size, big difference in effect due the speed of rounds; 9mm supersonic, .45 subsonic. Likewise with 5.56mm. when we weighted it up for SAW and added more propellant we got ice picks at short range. The original specs on 5.56 represented a very light round with an effective range of 300m max. By design it was supposed to tumble when entering flesh, thus causing a larger wound channel. As we added weight to the round (first to improve rifle range scores at 300-500yds, and second to use as a machinegun round at 700m) and propellant we lost the designed tumbling (instability) properties of the round. Thus it lost its knock down power. See cavitation and bleed out rates. Or just go read the 1930s Pig Board report. This is a recurring conversation with Army/Marines, the argument always ends with the recognition of the size of our ammo war reserve quantities and cost to change round/rifle. Personally, would prefer a 6mm or 6.5mm round for combat, but we are stuck with 5.56mm for a long while.


50 posted on 09/30/2009 12:58:02 PM PDT by equalitybeforethelaw
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