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To: equalitybeforethelaw

People always get to count the bullet holes AFTER the target goes down. Fact. I guarantee that the guy didn’t stay up for 41 bullet holes, unless everybody in his unit was aiming for his big toe.

It’s NOT a pistol round. Which pistol was invented for this round before the M-1 Carbine was introduced?

And, deer are far more robust than humans. They have a more distinct flight reflex, running with a lung blown out until they bleed out. A human doesn’t have the constitution to do that. And a deer doesn’t fire back, so the concept of suppressive fire and maneuver doesn’t enter into the equation, either.

Since the dawn of the firearm, soldiers have ALWAYS wanted more firepower. I can’t blame their initial desire, but at some point logic has to take over. Everybody wants to make the 1000yd shot, but they rarely see the enemy past 100 yards unless they’re in the desert.


36 posted on 09/30/2009 10:38:45 AM PDT by SJSAMPLE
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To: SJSAMPLE

.30 cal carbine round is not a full rifle charge. 5.56mm is. Weight and speed of the round determines wound channel. (greater weight and slower speed equal bigger wound channel) The .30 cal carbine does not bring people down. If given enough time to bleed out you will die from a .30 cal carbine round but it will take awhile. You are correct in your description of deer running and bleeding out, the same thing occurs with people. Especially people drugged up trying to die for mohammed. Knock down power is the ability to put the bad guy down fast, especially at close ranges (urban/jungle combat). We had serious problems with this in Falluejah with green tip ammo. It was too heavy and especially too fast. It creates the ice pick wound - straight and narrow creating a slow bleed out rate. This allows hajhi more time to close and kill. The 5.56mm green tip was given greate weight and higher propulsion in the early 1980s to allow it to be used as belted ammo for the Squad Automatic Weapon. SAW needed performance to 700m so the upped the charge and weight. Result was when ammo used at short range on thin chested bad guys it just spike through the body and the body continued to charge. Big problem. Not being a know it all but .30 cal carbine was never produced after WWII for a reason. We used it in Korea because it was available and our little asian allies found it easier to shoot. It is not a combat weapon, and will get people killed who think it is.


45 posted on 09/30/2009 12:16:09 PM PDT by equalitybeforethelaw
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