Skip to comments.TerriK Investigation:"Is Fukino's office in an open rout?" (Hawaii BC)
Posted on 09/30/2009 7:08:21 PM PDT by Frantzie
It looks like Leo and TerriK are getting closer.
One thing really interesting is a comment where Leo responds to a poster.
"If the COLB is in the public domain without challenge does that constitute a waving of privacy rights for the COLB or the long form BC ?"
So if Obama released the phony COLB from Hawaii then the privacy rights have been waved? Leo says yes?
we can only hope and pray!
More interesting comments & Leo’s response:
Note I am not trying to jack content from Leo’s site just trying to get more exposure because Leo and TerriK are digging up more and more in the sewer known as HI.
Heide said; Fortunately, HI is a small state with only 5 counties. All counties would have to be checked.
“Since the COLB identifies Honolulu as the County of Birth, that should be the only register that would need to be checked. If no such entry exists, it likely did not occur.”
[ed. that’s right...]
Leo’s says there is an expedited process by statute to get to the info. 2 ladies in the office there took time off to duck TerriK’s requests???
IIRC, even the COLB was faked, and also not sourced to Obama or his campaign. If that's true, then nothing has been released to "the public domain" that can be used to argue from.
Wasn’t the COLB originally linked or posted on Obama’s campaign web site? (I’m working from memory here, so forgive me if I’m off base)
I heard it was. But then some Freepers analyzed it (or commented on someone who had) and found it to be fraudulent in various ways. Then - I believe - it was sourced to a support website, or taken down or something. In any event, it got fuzzy, fast (as usual).
“If the COLB is in the public domain without challenge does that constitute a waving of privacy rights for the COLB or the long form BC ?”
That is my ? you are referencing
I was just reading this at Leo’s site:
From poster BHO BOO posted today at 7:08pm
Further, Hawaii has changed a lot of its requirements/stipulations. First it said that a COLB was insufficient for Native distinction. Now, that suffices.
Second, an article today states that COLBs are the ONLY thing that Hawaii will provide (short forms).
So, I called the US Passport Office in Honolulu: They will not accept COLBs as identification to obtain a passport.
That is my ? you are referencing"
It's a direct quote from the blog....a question...followed by the Editors answer.....see entire blog for more info...
Frantzie - do you remember reading about a researcher who filed a FOIA with USCIS to recover records of Barry Soetoro, Lolo Soetoro, and Stanley Ann Soetoro?
I’m trying to chase down the source for that info. Anyone?
I do not have to read the blog I wrote the ? LOL
Chris Strunk-the docs he received are on the internet, he is still waiting for his FOIA with the State Department (since November 2008!)
This is very encouraging stuff. I hope Leo keeps the pressure on.
As I’ve said before, and others have pointed out, I think the Hawaiian authorities are running scared, for several reasons:
1. Because they don’t want to get caught out in lies.
2. Because they don’t want Obama coming down on top of them.
3. Because in the past they have manufactured fake COLBs in massive numbers, as part of a plot to get more welfare funds streaming into Hawaii, as well as to make a stream of Asian imigrants into citizens who will reliably vote Democrat. It’s much the same as what has been done with the illegals in California, only it started earlier.
If they faked Obama’s BC, then how many others have they faked? That can’t be a comfortable question for them to be confronted with.
Do you have an online address? I’ve never heard of Chris Strunk.
I’ll private reply give me a few minutes
Can of worms. Opened.
Thank you. I really appreciate this.
i forget. It was either here or Leo’s site or therightsideoflife.com web site.
I know Strunk in NY state had filed a FOIA lawsuit. Not sure what happened there.
Orly was asking him for an affidavit for her case. Strunk was busy when Leo and Cort were down at SCOTUS getting the run around by SCOTUS. I do not think Chris Strunk has a web site. He is in NY state as far as I know.
Yes, you have posted the many reasons why the State of Hawaii is complicit in obstruction and protecting Obama.
Needs to be said again.
“This is very encouraging stuff. I hope Leo keeps the pressure on.
As Ive said before, and others have pointed out, I think the Hawaiian authorities are running scared, for several reasons:
1. Because they dont want to get caught out in lies.
2. Because they dont want Obama coming down on top of them.
3. Because in the past they have manufactured fake COLBs in massive numbers, as part of a plot to get more welfare funds streaming into Hawaii, as well as to make a stream of Asian imigrants into citizens who will reliably vote Democrat. Its much the same as what has been done with the illegals in California, only it started earlier.
If they faked Obamas BC, then how many others have they faked? That cant be a comfortable question for them to be confronted with.”
Time to hang some dems....
And yet Fukino refuses to verify the authenticity of that Obama COLB that is published at his website and DailyKos.
Thanks for posting this update from Leo as my system is getting crashed with an apparently fake McAfee SiteAdvisor warning (Leo's site shows clean with no complaints on the actual SiteAdvisor webpage). I would be interested if anyone else is having this problem as it could be an Obot denial of service...for me anyway!
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So does Fukino refuse to verify the phony COLB because she knows it is an obvious fake?
She won't say.
Hawaii refuses to verify president's online COLBs
Officials mum on images released by Obama's campaign, FactCheck.org
"In response to a direct question from WND, the Hawaii Department of Health refused to authenticate either of the two versions of President Obama's short-form Certificate of Live Birth, or COLB, posted online neither the image produced by the Obama campaign nor the images released by FactCheck.org.
Janice Okubo, the public information officer for the Hawaii DOH, also had no explanation for why Dr. Chiyome Fukino's initial press release last October and subsequent press release last week also avoided declaring the posted images to be of authentic documents.
In June 2008, Ben LaBolt, an Obama campaign spokesman, released the initial short-form Obama COLB to various newspapers, including the Los Angeles Times, declaring, "This is Sen. Obama's birth certificate." "
I hope Leo and Terri K can pin these people down. Their evasiveness is a pretty good sign she is covering up for him.
Ahh but the Obama campaign released the fake COLB in June 2008. So his campaign aka Hussein too - engaged in fraud if it is a fake. I already knew that but it bears repeating.
Can they be reminded what falsifying documents or covering the falsification of official documents, can cost them, criminally speaking? You guys are good, I’m sure all that’s been thought of but pressure from below is GOOD, particularly when it meets pressure from ABOVE.
Here is my whole ? to Leo
“You may have covered this before
IIRC, Daily Kos , Fight the Smears , released the COLB in mid 2008 ?
It is my understanding only Obama or relative or court order can obtain or release the COLB or let some one inspect it ?
If the COLB is in the public domain without challenge does that constitute a waving of privacy rights for the COLB or the long form BC ?
If that COLB has been released to the public without challenge has a # that is referencing the long form BC & public comments made referencing info in either the COLB or the long form BC ,would either document be subject to disclosure in the public domain also ?”
You will have to as Leo, but the way i am reading his answer to my ? is if the right of privacy is waived , shouldn’t anyone who pays the fee be able to get the COLB or the long form BC ?
Consider Dr. Fukino and her support staff. Is it fair for them to be embattled this way? For months they have been daily besieged by the conspiracy theorist whackos who have irresponsibly ignored the simple facts and continue to senselessly badger the Department of Health personnel, crushing those innocent civil servants beneath a wave of endless clamoring for the mythical secret records they just know will prove a foreign usurper was vaunted into office by a seething, decades-old, nefarious international conspiracy. Until the nutjobs are fined or disciplined, the the DoH officials will never be able to return to the jobs they are being paid to do.
Why must he continue to subject them to agonizing over releasing cryptic public statements about him? Why must he keep forcing them to somehow weather the gathering storm of civilians and soldiers who are confused about why the man-who-has-nothing-to-hide will not provide open access to his simple long-form birth certificate and other vital records on file with the State of Hawaii? Why must they wrangle endlessly about what they can and cant say, constantly soliciting costly legal advice and always worrying about contradicting established standards or else creating unwanted precedents for the future? Why does our president have no compassion for these public servants given the excruciating plight he has disinterestedly unleashed against them? Why does he hate them so? Why?
Hopefully conservatives will avoid taking tourist trips to the corrupt sewer of HI.
Leo and TerriK just need to keep plugging away. They are both pretty relentless and smart.
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Nope. Gibbs said in a press conference that “we” had released it (meaning the campaign).
Wave is what we do when Obama flies home to Hawaii? Kenya? Indonesia?
Thanks. LOL! Sorry I get sloppy sometimes. We seem to be waving a lot as he flies around Air Force One for endless trips.
Most likely it’s not phony. What makes this possible is Fukino’s statment that Obama is a Natural Born Citizen. Which he isn’t. Because she made that statment, all the documents that she used to make that determination are now available to the People through UIPA requests, by HAWAIIAN STATE LAW and the DoH is breaking that law by refusing to release them.
HAha! Thats the Gotcha!
Thank you for clarifying it for me. It is complex and I was a bit confused. I am waiting for Leo and TerriK to do their work with the state of HI.
If at the end they are still getting jerked around - we need to get millions of Americans or at least hudreds of thousands requesting (demanding) the documents.
If Hawaii keeps playing games we need to harm their tourism business with a boycott. The economy is going to get worse so their tourism business will be tanking more.
Leo has them between a rock and a hard place. They are going to HAVE to release the documents. Most likely before a Trial. Because if a Trial happens, then MORE discovery is allowed, and that would be devastating to Obama because then even MORE will become public, and the state of Hawaii will have a FAR bigger nightmare on its hands.
I am betting no trial will be needed.
Thanks. It appears Leo and TerriK are in full pit bull mode. She is a gem and Leo speaks very highly of her. I remember her post when she first started digging a few months ago.
I think Leo said any trial would have expedited discovery based on the statutes. I hope there is discovery.
If HI tries to jerk Leo/Terri around then we need to try to get as many people as possible, Beck, WND, members of the military and anyone else to expose this and flood the state with demands for documents.
HI can see how Obama’s actions against corporations/conventions helped Las Vegas. NV has the second highest unemployment behind MI.
HI and MI are on the Golf Channel trying to get people to go there to play golf. Things are going to get worse.
The bottom line is that he can’t possibly say that unless Obama has two american citizens as parents and was born in Hawaii. anything else will be subject to court interpretation or Congress.
I would write a letter to the Attorney General stating that and ask him to provide the law upon which he relied to approve that statement.
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The malware attack falsely claims to be a McAfee SiteAdvisor alarm by opening a window stating that, yet when I go to my official McAfee site, NBC.com shows as clean with no complaints, such as one might expect Obots to post there.
The malware somehow penetrates past McAfee and Windows protection and corrupts my config.sys file (report from windows repair) thus instantly hanging my system and then preventing even a reboot without running repair on reboot. Even repair has failed the first several times!
If you or anyone knows what sort of specific malware I should suspect and how to further protect myself beyond your excellent suggestions, I would appreciate it!
Thanks, I didn't know that. Although that really makes me confused over FReeper claims that it's photoshopped.
So he says. It does seem that a piece of paper, relatively easy to forge, since it's just a computer print out with a raised seal and stamped signauture, should be verifiable. At a minimum they should be able to tell you if one was issued for the person named on the date of the stamp. But better yet, since one could order one, and then stamp the fake with the date of the real one, would be the ability to verify the information.
I can think of several ways that could be done, and still maintain the *general* privacy of the information. For instance putting a serial number on the document, and if you have the document, with the serial number they should be able to verify the information. After all the whole purpose of the thing is to prove some facts about ones birth to some third party. Generally that place and date of birth. Because you are often proving your citizenship (and thus right to work or hold a particular position) or your age, since some jobs require one to be over a certain age. Since this was offered as proof of natural born citizenship, other information, most of it and then some, would be needed. For example even for citizenship, the State Department will not take an abstract (short) form that shows a filing date more than a year after the birth. Why, because it's indicative of various schemes used to fraudulently claim citizenship. It's not proof, but it is one indication. Of course the fraud could be there anyway and would have occurred near the time of birth, with the false filing of a "home birth" certificate somewhat later than the true birth date.
Well he certainly can't fly to the UK after POing the PM and the Queen, Especially not the Queen.
Beck and the rest of talk show hosts TV/radio will NOT touch this issue with a ten-foot pole, they have all been threatened to be silence from higher ups, or else....!!!
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