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TerriK Investigation:"Is Fukino's office in an open rout?" (Hawaii BC)
Vanity ^ | 9-30-2009 | Frantzie

Posted on 09/30/2009 7:08:21 PM PDT by Frantzie

http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com/2009/09/30/terrik-investigation-the-post-and-email-blog-features-important-related-story-is-fukino%e2%80%99s-office-in-open-rout/#comments

It looks like Leo and TerriK are getting closer.


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Sorry if this is already been posted. I do not like to post vanties but not sure how to post blog items.

One thing really interesting is a comment where Leo responds to a poster.

"If the COLB is in the public domain without challenge does that constitute a waving of privacy rights for the COLB or the long form BC ?"

[ed. absolutely.]

So if Obama released the phony COLB from Hawaii then the privacy rights have been waved? Leo says yes?

1 posted on 09/30/2009 7:08:21 PM PDT by Frantzie
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To: Frantzie

we can only hope and pray!


2 posted on 09/30/2009 7:11:59 PM PDT by remaxagnt (`)
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To: Frantzie

More interesting comments & Leo’s response:

http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com/2009/09/30/terrik-investigation-the-post-and-email-blog-features-important-related-story-is-fukino%e2%80%99s-office-in-open-rout/#comments

Note I am not trying to jack content from Leo’s site just trying to get more exposure because Leo and TerriK are digging up more and more in the sewer known as HI.

Heide said; “Fortunately, HI is a small state with only 5 counties. All counties would have to be checked.”

“Since the COLB identifies Honolulu as the County of Birth, that should be the only register that would need to be checked. If no such entry exists, it likely did not occur.”

[ed. that’s right...]

Leo’s says there is an expedited process by statute to get to the info. 2 ladies in the office there took time off to duck TerriK’s requests???


3 posted on 09/30/2009 7:13:03 PM PDT by Frantzie (Do we want ACORN running America's healthcare?)
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To: Frantzie
If the COLB is in the public domain...

IIRC, even the COLB was faked, and also not sourced to Obama or his campaign. If that's true, then nothing has been released to "the public domain" that can be used to argue from.

4 posted on 09/30/2009 7:16:06 PM PDT by Talisker (When you find a turtle on top of a fence post, you can be damn sure it didn't get there on it's own.)
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To: Talisker

Wasn’t the COLB originally linked or posted on Obama’s campaign web site? (I’m working from memory here, so forgive me if I’m off base)


5 posted on 09/30/2009 7:19:08 PM PDT by MortMan (Stubbing one's toes is a valid (if painful) way of locating furniture in the dark.)
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To: MortMan
Wasn’t the COLB originally linked or posted on Obama’s campaign web site? (I’m working from memory here, so forgive me if I’m off base)

I heard it was. But then some Freepers analyzed it (or commented on someone who had) and found it to be fraudulent in various ways. Then - I believe - it was sourced to a support website, or taken down or something. In any event, it got fuzzy, fast (as usual).

6 posted on 09/30/2009 7:23:21 PM PDT by Talisker (When you find a turtle on top of a fence post, you can be damn sure it didn't get there on it's own.)
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To: Frantzie

“If the COLB is in the public domain without challenge does that constitute a waving of privacy rights for the COLB or the long form BC ?”

[ed. absolutely.]

That is my ? you are referencing


7 posted on 09/30/2009 7:50:15 PM PDT by roylll
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To: Frantzie; LucyT; STARWISE

I was just reading this at Leo’s site:

From poster BHO BOO posted today at 7:08pm

(snip)

Further, Hawaii has changed a lot of its requirements/stipulations. First it said that a COLB was insufficient for Native distinction. Now, that suffices.

Second, an article today states that COLBs are the ONLY thing that Hawaii will provide (short forms).

So, I called the US Passport Office in Honolulu: They will not accept COLBs as identification to obtain a passport.
http://www.starbulletin.com/columnists/kokualine/20090606_kokua_line.html

http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com/2009/09/30/terrik-investigation-the-post-and-email-blog-features-important-related-story-is-fukino%e2%80%99s-office-in-open-rout/#comments


8 posted on 09/30/2009 7:54:39 PM PDT by Velveeta
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To: roylll
"“If the COLB is in the public domain without challenge does that constitute a waving of privacy rights for the COLB or the long form BC ?”

[ed. absolutely.]

That is my ? you are referencing"

It's a direct quote from the blog....a question...followed by the Editors answer.....see entire blog for more info...

9 posted on 09/30/2009 7:54:57 PM PDT by spokeshave (Obama can't unjump the shark)
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To: Frantzie

Frantzie - do you remember reading about a researcher who filed a FOIA with USCIS to recover records of Barry Soetoro, Lolo Soetoro, and Stanley Ann Soetoro?

I’m trying to chase down the source for that info. Anyone?


10 posted on 09/30/2009 7:55:33 PM PDT by SatinDoll (NO Foreign Nationals as our President!!)
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To: Velveeta; rxsid; Fred Nerks; null and void; stockpirate; george76; PhilDragoo; Candor7; GOPJ; ...
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11 posted on 09/30/2009 7:57:26 PM PDT by LucyT
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To: spokeshave

I do not have to read the blog I wrote the ? LOL


12 posted on 09/30/2009 7:58:22 PM PDT by roylll
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To: SatinDoll

Chris Strunk-the docs he received are on the internet, he is still waiting for his FOIA with the State Department (since November 2008!)


13 posted on 09/30/2009 8:05:02 PM PDT by rolling_stone (no more bailouts, the taxpayers are out of money!)
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To: Frantzie

This is very encouraging stuff. I hope Leo keeps the pressure on.

As I’ve said before, and others have pointed out, I think the Hawaiian authorities are running scared, for several reasons:

1. Because they don’t want to get caught out in lies.

2. Because they don’t want Obama coming down on top of them.

3. Because in the past they have manufactured fake COLBs in massive numbers, as part of a plot to get more welfare funds streaming into Hawaii, as well as to make a stream of Asian imigrants into citizens who will reliably vote Democrat. It’s much the same as what has been done with the illegals in California, only it started earlier.

If they faked Obama’s BC, then how many others have they faked? That can’t be a comfortable question for them to be confronted with.


14 posted on 09/30/2009 8:10:08 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: rolling_stone

Do you have an online address? I’ve never heard of Chris Strunk.


15 posted on 09/30/2009 8:10:48 PM PDT by SatinDoll (NO Foreign Nationals as our President!!)
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To: SatinDoll

I’ll private reply give me a few minutes


16 posted on 09/30/2009 8:12:15 PM PDT by rolling_stone (no more bailouts, the taxpayers are out of money!)
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To: Cicero; Frantzie
3. Because in the past they have manufactured fake COLBs in massive numbers, as part of a plot to get more welfare funds streaming into Hawaii, as well as to make a stream of Asian imigrants into citizens who will reliably vote Democrat. It’s much the same as what has been done with the illegals in California, only it started earlier.

Can of worms. Opened.


17 posted on 09/30/2009 8:12:52 PM PDT by thecodont
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To: rolling_stone

Thank you. I really appreciate this.


18 posted on 09/30/2009 8:15:37 PM PDT by SatinDoll (NO Foreign Nationals as our President!!)
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To: SatinDoll

i forget. It was either here or Leo’s site or therightsideoflife.com web site.

I know Strunk in NY state had filed a FOIA lawsuit. Not sure what happened there.


19 posted on 09/30/2009 8:18:14 PM PDT by Frantzie (Do we want ACORN running America's healthcare?)
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To: SatinDoll

Orly was asking him for an affidavit for her case. Strunk was busy when Leo and Cort were down at SCOTUS getting the run around by SCOTUS. I do not think Chris Strunk has a web site. He is in NY state as far as I know.


20 posted on 09/30/2009 8:20:47 PM PDT by Frantzie (Do we want ACORN running America's healthcare?)
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To: LucyT

Getting interesting....


21 posted on 09/30/2009 8:22:23 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Support Geert Wilders)
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To: Cicero

Yes, you have posted the many reasons why the State of Hawaii is complicit in obstruction and protecting Obama.

Needs to be said again.


“This is very encouraging stuff. I hope Leo keeps the pressure on.

As I’ve said before, and others have pointed out, I think the Hawaiian authorities are running scared, for several reasons:

1. Because they don’t want to get caught out in lies.

2. Because they don’t want Obama coming down on top of them.

3. Because in the past they have manufactured fake COLBs in massive numbers, as part of a plot to get more welfare funds streaming into Hawaii, as well as to make a stream of Asian imigrants into citizens who will reliably vote Democrat. It’s much the same as what has been done with the illegals in California, only it started earlier.

If they faked Obama’s BC, then how many others have they faked? That can’t be a comfortable question for them to be confronted with.”


22 posted on 09/30/2009 8:34:42 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: Cicero

Time to hang some dems....


23 posted on 09/30/2009 8:35:01 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Support Geert Wilders)
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To: Frantzie
"If the COLB is in the public domain without challenge does that constitute a waving of privacy rights for the COLB or the long form BC ?"

And yet Fukino refuses to verify the authenticity of that Obama COLB that is published at his website and DailyKos.

24 posted on 09/30/2009 8:40:14 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: Velveeta; Frantzie
US Passport Office not accepting COLB would be huge and a disaster!

Thanks for posting this update from Leo as my system is getting crashed with an apparently fake McAfee SiteAdvisor warning (Leo's site shows clean with no complaints on the actual SiteAdvisor webpage). I would be interested if anyone else is having this problem as it could be an Obot denial of service...for me anyway!

25 posted on 09/30/2009 8:49:23 PM PDT by Seizethecarp
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To: Seizethecarp

lots of malware popping up this week

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also see this: new free microsoft cleaner just out...

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26 posted on 09/30/2009 9:36:07 PM PDT by bitt (“You can’t make a weak man strong by making a strong man weak.” (Abraham Lincoln))
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To: Red Steel

So does Fukino refuse to verify the phony COLB because she knows it is an obvious fake?


27 posted on 09/30/2009 9:40:06 PM PDT by Frantzie (Do we want ACORN running America's healthcare?)
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To: Frantzie
So does Fukino refuse to verify the phony COLB because she knows it is an obvious fake?

She won't say.

----

Hawaii refuses to verify president's online COLBs
Officials mum on images released by Obama's campaign, FactCheck.org


Posted: August 02, 2009
7:18 pm Eastern

"In response to a direct question from WND, the Hawaii Department of Health refused to authenticate either of the two versions of President Obama's short-form Certificate of Live Birth, or COLB, posted online – neither the image produced by the Obama campaign nor the images released by FactCheck.org.

Janice Okubo, the public information officer for the Hawaii DOH, also had no explanation for why Dr. Chiyome Fukino's initial press release last October and subsequent press release last week also avoided declaring the posted images to be of authentic documents.

In June 2008, Ben LaBolt, an Obama campaign spokesman, released the initial short-form Obama COLB to various newspapers, including the Los Angeles Times, declaring, "This is Sen. Obama's birth certificate." "

-end snip-

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?pageId=105817


28 posted on 09/30/2009 9:48:18 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: Red Steel

I hope Leo and Terri K can pin these people down. Their evasiveness is a pretty good sign she is covering up for him.

Ahh but the Obama campaign released the fake COLB in June 2008. So his campaign aka Hussein too - engaged in fraud if it is a fake. I already knew that but it bears repeating.


29 posted on 09/30/2009 9:54:01 PM PDT by Frantzie (Do we want ACORN running America's healthcare?)
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To: Frantzie

Can they be reminded what falsifying documents or covering the falsification of official documents, can cost them, criminally speaking? You guys are good, I’m sure all that’s been thought of but pressure from below is GOOD, particularly when it meets pressure from ABOVE.


30 posted on 09/30/2009 10:04:28 PM PDT by brushcop (SFC Sallie, CPL Long, LTHarris, SSG Brown, PVT Simmons KIA OIF lll&V, they died for you, honor them)
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To: Frantzie

Here is my whole ? to Leo

“You may have covered this before

IIRC, Daily Kos , Fight the Smears , released the COLB in mid 2008 ?

It is my understanding only Obama or relative or court order can obtain or release the COLB or let some one inspect it ?

If the COLB is in the public domain without challenge does that constitute a waving of privacy rights for the COLB or the long form BC ?

[ed. absolutely.]

If that COLB has been released to the public without challenge has a # that is referencing the long form BC & public comments made referencing info in either the COLB or the long form BC ,would either document be subject to disclosure in the public domain also ?”

You will have to as Leo, but the way i am reading his answer to my ? is if the right of privacy is waived , shouldn’t anyone who pays the fee be able to get the COLB or the long form BC ?


31 posted on 09/30/2009 10:10:39 PM PDT by roylll
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To: Frantzie; MissTickly
Here are some thoughts on the potential media spin on this . . .

Caught Between Barrack and a Hard Place:
The Hawaii Dept of Health's Triangle of Pain
:

  1. The statutes—dictating what must be withheld to protect individual privacy and what must be released to serve the public interest
  2. Those among the public who question the President’s eligibility—relentlessly insisting that Hawaii DoH still must reveal more info, filing requests, registering complaints and threatening litigation
  3. The Transparency President®—Refusing ad infinitum to waive any rights to privacy with regard to his Hawaii records

If the TerriK advance (or any other like it) begins to gain ground and especially if media sources take notice, I suspect we will see a portrayal of the HDoH that reads something like this:
“Consider Dr. Fukino and her support staff. Is it fair for them to be embattled this way? For months they have been daily besieged by the conspiracy theorist whackos who have irresponsibly ignored the simple facts and continue to senselessly badger the Department of Health personnel, crushing those innocent civil servants beneath a wave of endless clamoring for the mythical secret records they just know will prove a foreign usurper was vaunted into office by a seething, decades-old, nefarious international conspiracy. Until the nutjobs are fined or disciplined, the the DoH officials will never be able to return to the jobs they are being paid to do.”

If we are to have any influence on a media machine that will be bound and determined to garner sympathy for Fukino, Okubo, et al., we might do well to constantly remind them of the how the Transparency President® with a single quick act could offer immediate relief to the pressure being felt by their offices. The stories should read more like this:
“Why must he continue to subject them to agonizing over releasing cryptic public statements about him? Why must he keep forcing them to somehow weather the gathering storm of civilians and soldiers who are confused about why the man-who-has-nothing-to-hide will not provide open access to his simple long-form birth certificate and other vital records on file with the State of Hawaii? Why must they wrangle endlessly about what they can and can’t say, constantly soliciting costly legal advice and always worrying about contradicting established standards or else creating unwanted precedents for the future? Why does our president have no compassion for these public servants given the excruciating plight he has disinterestedly unleashed against them? Why does he hate them so? Why?

32 posted on 09/30/2009 10:41:10 PM PDT by ecinkc (Socialism: America's Darkest Hour)
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To: ecinkc

Hopefully conservatives will avoid taking tourist trips to the corrupt sewer of HI.

Leo and TerriK just need to keep plugging away. They are both pretty relentless and smart.


33 posted on 09/30/2009 11:03:13 PM PDT by Frantzie (Do we want ACORN running America's healthcare?)
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To: Frantzie
Wait, I think this may be a whole new tourist lure.

I'm envisioning images of a beach sunset with a coconut tree in the foreground, a flame swallower in authentic native coverings and a brightly colored shiny frog, with the following text:



Aloha from Oahu!

Come experience the mystique our exotic island Paradise,
full of nature's best kept secrets, treasures and wonders.

Just think . . .

You're just one flight away from setting foot on the
same tiny remote volcanic hideaway where . . .

somewhere in a heavily secured government vault lies the desperately
classified original Birth Certificate of the world's most powerful man,

a mighty landmine waiting to be uncovered . . .

waiting to unleash the greatest international
firestorm of this millennium . . .

waiting for you
. . .

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great seasonal promotion packages!!


34 posted on 10/01/2009 12:30:18 AM PDT by ecinkc (Socialism: America's Darkest Hour)
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To: ecinkc
Whoops, forgot to add the official slogan of the Hawaii Tourism Comission:

Come and Play in
H A W A I I
where what happens in Kenya
-
stays in Kenya

35 posted on 10/01/2009 12:57:15 AM PDT by ecinkc (Socialism: America's Darkest Hour)
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To: Talisker

Nope. Gibbs said in a press conference that “we” had released it (meaning the campaign).


36 posted on 10/01/2009 4:03:24 AM PDT by dinodino
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To: Frantzie

waived

Wave is what we do when Obama flies home to Hawaii? Kenya? Indonesia?


37 posted on 10/01/2009 7:42:39 AM PDT by Genoa
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To: Genoa

Thanks. LOL! Sorry I get sloppy sometimes. We seem to be waving a lot as he flies around Air Force One for endless trips.


38 posted on 10/01/2009 8:48:27 AM PDT by Frantzie (Do we want ACORN running America's healthcare?)
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To: Frantzie

Most likely it’s not phony. What makes this possible is Fukino’s statment that Obama is a Natural Born Citizen. Which he isn’t. Because she made that statment, all the documents that she used to make that determination are now available to the People through UIPA requests, by HAWAIIAN STATE LAW and the DoH is breaking that law by refusing to release them.

HAha! Thats the Gotcha!


39 posted on 10/01/2009 8:56:34 AM PDT by Danae (No political party should pick candidates. That's the voters job.)
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To: Danae

Thank you for clarifying it for me. It is complex and I was a bit confused. I am waiting for Leo and TerriK to do their work with the state of HI.

If at the end they are still getting jerked around - we need to get millions of Americans or at least hudreds of thousands requesting (demanding) the documents.

If Hawaii keeps playing games we need to harm their tourism business with a boycott. The economy is going to get worse so their tourism business will be tanking more.


40 posted on 10/01/2009 9:02:39 AM PDT by Frantzie (Do we want ACORN running America's healthcare?)
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To: Frantzie

Leo has them between a rock and a hard place. They are going to HAVE to release the documents. Most likely before a Trial. Because if a Trial happens, then MORE discovery is allowed, and that would be devastating to Obama because then even MORE will become public, and the state of Hawaii will have a FAR bigger nightmare on its hands.

I am betting no trial will be needed.


41 posted on 10/01/2009 9:06:07 AM PDT by Danae (No political party should pick candidates. That's the voters job.)
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To: Danae

Thanks. It appears Leo and TerriK are in full pit bull mode. She is a gem and Leo speaks very highly of her. I remember her post when she first started digging a few months ago.

I think Leo said any trial would have expedited discovery based on the statutes. I hope there is discovery.

If HI tries to jerk Leo/Terri around then we need to try to get as many people as possible, Beck, WND, members of the military and anyone else to expose this and flood the state with demands for documents.

HI can see how Obama’s actions against corporations/conventions helped Las Vegas. NV has the second highest unemployment behind MI.

HI and MI are on the Golf Channel trying to get people to go there to play golf. Things are going to get worse.


42 posted on 10/01/2009 9:35:41 AM PDT by Frantzie (Do we want ACORN running America's healthcare?)
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To: Danae; Frantzie; Cicero; Kevmo; pissant; MHGinTN; El Gato; BP2; RummyChick
TerriK INVESTIGATION, Part 3: Hawaii AG Mark Bennett Approved Fukino’s Natural-Born Citizen Statement; All Records Should Be Made Public According To Law.

The latest from Donofrio on the Hawaii records withholding is now online. IMHO it is enormously compelling! Leo wants all help he can muster getting the word out. This needs to be its own thread of course, if it isn't already.
43 posted on 10/01/2009 11:39:31 AM PDT by ecinkc (Socialism: America's Darkest Hour)
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To: ecinkc

LOLLLLLLLLLL !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


44 posted on 10/01/2009 12:11:55 PM PDT by roylll
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To: ecinkc

The bottom line is that he can’t possibly say that unless Obama has two american citizens as parents and was born in Hawaii. anything else will be subject to court interpretation or Congress.

I would write a letter to the Attorney General stating that and ask him to provide the law upon which he relied to approve that statement.


45 posted on 10/01/2009 12:44:07 PM PDT by RummyChick
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To: bitt
Thanks for the advice!

Maybe I'm paranoid, but the malware that attacked my system seems to have a pro-Obama political agenda!

I run Vista64, Explorer and McAfee behind a router all fully up-to-date. I have been attacked five times when opening naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com (NBC.com), while each time I had recently opened FR, BBC, Yahoomail, RealClearPolitics and other sites. Only Leo's site produces the attack.

The malware attack falsely claims to be a McAfee SiteAdvisor alarm by opening a window stating that, yet when I go to my official McAfee site, NBC.com shows as clean with no complaints, such as one might expect Obots to post there.

The malware somehow penetrates past McAfee and Windows protection and corrupts my config.sys file (report from windows repair) thus instantly hanging my system and then preventing even a reboot without running repair on reboot. Even repair has failed the first several times!

If you or anyone knows what sort of specific malware I should suspect and how to further protect myself beyond your excellent suggestions, I would appreciate it!

46 posted on 10/01/2009 12:52:18 PM PDT by Seizethecarp
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To: dinodino
Nope. Gibbs said in a press conference that “we” had released it (meaning the campaign).

Thanks, I didn't know that. Although that really makes me confused over FReeper claims that it's photoshopped.

47 posted on 10/01/2009 1:30:24 PM PDT by Talisker (When you find a turtle on top of a fence post, you can be damn sure it didn't get there on it's own.)
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To: Frantzie
So if Obama released the phony COLB from Hawaii then the privacy rights have been waved? Leo says yes?

So he says. It does seem that a piece of paper, relatively easy to forge, since it's just a computer print out with a raised seal and stamped signauture, should be verifiable. At a minimum they should be able to tell you if one was issued for the person named on the date of the stamp. But better yet, since one could order one, and then stamp the fake with the date of the real one, would be the ability to verify the information.

I can think of several ways that could be done, and still maintain the *general* privacy of the information. For instance putting a serial number on the document, and if you have the document, with the serial number they should be able to verify the information. After all the whole purpose of the thing is to prove some facts about ones birth to some third party. Generally that place and date of birth. Because you are often proving your citizenship (and thus right to work or hold a particular position) or your age, since some jobs require one to be over a certain age. Since this was offered as proof of natural born citizenship, other information, most of it and then some, would be needed. For example even for citizenship, the State Department will not take an abstract (short) form that shows a filing date more than a year after the birth. Why, because it's indicative of various schemes used to fraudulently claim citizenship. It's not proof, but it is one indication. Of course the fraud could be there anyway and would have occurred near the time of birth, with the false filing of a "home birth" certificate somewhat later than the true birth date.

48 posted on 10/01/2009 10:50:48 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: Genoa
Wave is what we do when Obama flies home to Hawaii? Kenya? Indonesia?

Well he certainly can't fly to the UK after POing the PM and the Queen, Especially not the Queen.

49 posted on 10/01/2009 10:54:09 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: Frantzie

Beck and the rest of talk show hosts TV/radio will NOT touch this issue with a ten-foot pole, they have all been threatened to be silence from higher ups, or else....!!!


50 posted on 10/02/2009 11:13:25 AM PDT by danamco
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