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Top 10 Guns To Have If Things Go Bad
secondamendmentfreedom.blogspot.com ^ | 10/02/09 | Sasparilla

Posted on 10/02/2009 8:37:24 AM PDT by Sasparilla

No one will ever compile a top ten list that everyone will agree with. The subjective criteria used here is based on price, range required, caliber required, history of use and reliablity, and commonness of ammunition, not necessarily in that order. This is not to suggest that a person needs every gun listed.

A large caliber rifle, .22 rifle or pistol, 9mm or .45, and pump shotgun are the basics. There will be lots of other opinions, but here is my list that I came up with after 50 years of shooting… not necessarily ranked in order.

1. We know that the first choice here will be controversial. A good AK47 is practically indestructible. Taking much of its design from the best points late WWII German MP44, the AK47 usually functions flawlessly under the worst of conditions. Throw it in the mud, fill the receiver with muck, or just leave it in a muddy river for weeks like the Viet Cong hid them, and all you need to do is wash it out, lubricate it, load it, and you are ready to go. In worst conditions, you could probably even urinate on it to clean out the muck. It is not the most accurate rifle available due to the loose manufacturing tolerances used. You can count on 3 inches at 100 yards. But, these loose tolerances allow the rifle to function and feed, and for the parts to move in almost all weather and geographical conditions. Its hard to freeze up an AK47. The 7.62X39 intermediate round is smaller than .308 or 30.06, and is comparable to a 30-30. 10, 20, 30, 40, 75 round magazines are plentiful. 75 round drums can be had for about $255.00, but they are bulky to carry and use with a semiautomatic AK47. They...

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1 posted on 10/02/2009 8:37:25 AM PDT by Sasparilla
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To: Sasparilla

bfl


2 posted on 10/02/2009 8:39:22 AM PDT by Reddy
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To: Sasparilla

There’s a lot of redundancy in that list.


3 posted on 10/02/2009 8:39:29 AM PDT by flintsilver7 (Honest reporting hasn't caught on in the United States.)
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To: Sasparilla
"A large caliber rifle, .22 rifle or pistol, 9mm or .45, and pump shotgun are the basics"

Three out of four ain't bad, but I guess I need to go shopping!

4 posted on 10/02/2009 8:40:28 AM PDT by Uncle Miltie (0bummer isn't black, he's YELLOW.)
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To: Sasparilla

Well, a wish list is nice to have, but since I’ll soon be joining the unemployed myself, my current little collection is going to have to do.

All I have are two .22 pistols (a Ruger target and a S&W 22a-1), and a 9mm Beretta 92fs.


5 posted on 10/02/2009 8:40:43 AM PDT by Zeddicus
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To: All

SKS?


6 posted on 10/02/2009 8:41:09 AM PDT by Maverick68 (w)
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To: Uncle Miltie
Remington 870.

No room for problems with that baby.


7 posted on 10/02/2009 8:42:56 AM PDT by GI Joe Fan (GI Joe represents Real American Heroes, not a bunch of globalist drones.)
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To: Uncle Miltie
Remington 870.

No room for problems with that baby.


8 posted on 10/02/2009 8:43:27 AM PDT by GI Joe Fan (GI Joe represents Real American Heroes, not a bunch of globalist drones.)
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To: Sasparilla

Such foolish talk, just get rid of the most divisive forces in the country... the marxist obama government, acorn and his black panthers.

The most of it can be cleaned up by protesting and voting!


9 posted on 10/02/2009 8:44:55 AM PDT by himno hero
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To: Reddy

bfl


10 posted on 10/02/2009 8:45:48 AM PDT by newheart ("It will keep the government out of your health care decisions..." Barack Obama, July 23, 2009)
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To: Sasparilla
Dear Santa. I've been very, very good this year. Here's my Christmas list.

(also mark for later shopping).

11 posted on 10/02/2009 8:46:32 AM PDT by KarlInOhio ("I can run wild for six months ...after that, I have no expectation of success" - Admiral Obama-moto)
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To: GI Joe Fan
I have the 870 with the collapsible stock and pistol grip for tight quarters.

Nothing gets people's attention like a pump action being raked.

12 posted on 10/02/2009 8:46:32 AM PDT by Mikey_1962 (Obama: The Affirmative Action President)
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To: Sasparilla
Another gunwriter who totally overlooks the utility of the revolver...


13 posted on 10/02/2009 8:46:36 AM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: Sasparilla

Bookmarked!


14 posted on 10/02/2009 8:47:09 AM PDT by b4its2late (Ignorance allows liberalism to prosper.)
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To: flintsilver7

I agree - you really need just one in each category he mentions (handgun, .22 rifle, large cal bolt gun, semiauto rifle). He’s got multiples in each category there, particularly the semiautos (AK, AR, Garand, Mini).

Also, a Mossberg 500 shotgun can swap in for the Rem 870 and is a bit less expensive.

One thing to consider is standardizing calibers as much as posssible, as in not having 100 different calibers around that would get confusing if TSHTF.

LQ


15 posted on 10/02/2009 8:48:39 AM PDT by LizardQueen (The world is not out to get you, except in the sense that the world is out to get everyone.)
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To: Sasparilla
Close range or home protection, I prefer this little darlin!

Taurus Judge Pictures, Images and Photos

Shoots a .410 shotgun shell or slug or it can fire a Colt .45 cartridge.

My wife and I love this one.
16 posted on 10/02/2009 8:48:50 AM PDT by marine86297 (I'll never forgive Clinton for Somalia, my blood is on his hands)
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To: Sasparilla
My suggestions. In approximate, but not exact order, of importance (to me):

1. Pump Action Shotgun (gauge of you're choice but I like 12)
2. Powerful handgun (.357, .44,. 45, 10mm, etc)
3. Semiautomatic military style rifle (AK, SKS, AR, etc.)
4. Powerful bolt action rifle (e.g. 30-06)
5. Smaller caliber rifle (e.g. .22 semi-auto) for inexpensive target practice.
6. Smaller caliber handgun (e.g. .22 ) for inexpensive target practice.
7. ANOTHER semi-auto rifle (ruger ranch rifle or similar)
8. A semi-auto shotgun, same gauge as #1, above.
9. A highly concealable but powerful handgun (Bond Arms derringer or similar)
10. A full on sniper rifle with a powerful scope (30-06, .408, etc. or even .50 cal if that's what you're in to)

That's my “two-cents”; and my recommendations are probably worth what you paid for them.

17 posted on 10/02/2009 8:48:51 AM PDT by WayneS (Respect the 2nd Amendment; Repeal the 16th)
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To: Sasparilla

Guess I’m in farily good shape...


18 posted on 10/02/2009 8:48:57 AM PDT by Pessimist (u)
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To: Sasparilla
I would take an AR15 or M1A over an ak47 any day. I reload and can get my old 1903 Springfield to shoot a 3/4 inch group at 100 yards and my M1a will beat that. I don't support communists and I don't like stamped sheet metal parts.
19 posted on 10/02/2009 8:49:24 AM PDT by mountainlion (concerned conservative.)
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To: Sasparilla
It would be a good idea to have a .22 rifle or .223 varmint rifle to hunt small game if it came down to it. I've got the semi's and the 870, not too much to fill in.
20 posted on 10/02/2009 8:49:24 AM PDT by Recon Dad (“Cogito ergo arma.”)
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To: Maverick68

An acceptable substitute for the AK-47 / MAC-90, in my opinion.


21 posted on 10/02/2009 8:49:55 AM PDT by WayneS (Respect the 2nd Amendment; Repeal the 16th)
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To: Joe 6-pack

No, just an oversight. I personally carry a S&W 442 revolver. Interesting picture you used, .45 ACP in Moon clips.


22 posted on 10/02/2009 8:50:04 AM PDT by Sasparilla
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To: Sasparilla

All my firearms fell overboard in an unfortunate boating accident while over the Monterey trench ...


23 posted on 10/02/2009 8:50:42 AM PDT by clamper1797 (If Obama were a paid Soviet agent he could not do more damage ... Sen Thomas Jordan)
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To: Sasparilla
Stuff you know if you have an AK Stuff you know if you have an AR Stuff you know if you have a Mosin Nagant
It works though you have never cleaned it. Ever. You have $9 per ounce special non-detergent synthetic Teflon infused oil for cleaning. It was last cleaned in Berlin in 1945.
You are able to hit the broad side of a barn from inside. You are able to hit the broad side of a barn from 600 meters. You can hit the farm from two counties over.
Cheap mags are fun to buy. Cheap mags melt. What's a mag?
Your safety can be heard from 300 meters away. You can silently flip off the safety with your finger on the trigger. What's a safety?
Your rifle comes with a cheap nylon sling. Your rifle has a 9 point stealth tactical suspension system. You rifle has dog collars.
Your bayonet makes a good wire cutter. Your bayonet is actually a pretty good steak knife. Your bayonet is longer than your leg.
You can put a .30" hole through 12" of oak, if you can hit it. You can put one hole in a paper target at 100 meters with 30 rounds. You can knock down everyone else's target with the shock wave of your bullet going downrange.
When out of ammo your rifle will nominally pass as a club. When out of ammo, your rifle makes a great wiffle bat. When out of ammo, your rifle makes a supreme war club, pike, boat oar, tent pole, or firewood.
Recoil is manageable, even fun. What's recoil? Recoil is often used to relocate shoulders thrown out by the previous shot.
Your sight adjustment goes to "10", and you've never bothered moving it. Your sight adjustment is incremented in fractions of minute of angle. Your sight adjustment goes to 12 miles and you've actually tried it.
Your rifle can be used by any two bit nation's most illiterate conscripts to fight elite forces worldwide. Your rifle is used by elite forces worldwide to fight two bit nations' most illiterate conscripts. Your rifle has fought against itself and won every time.
Your rifle won some revolutions. Your rifle won the Cold War. Your rifle won a pole vault event.
You paid $350. You paid $900. You paid $59.95.
You buy cheap ammo by the case. You lovingly reload precision crafted rounds one by one. You dig your ammo out of a farmer's field in Ukraine and it works just fine.
You can intimidate your foe with the bayonet mounted. You foes laugh when you mount your bayonet. You can bayonet your foe on the other side of the river without leaving the comfort of your hole.
Service life, 50 years. Service life, 40 years. Service life, 100 years, and counting.
It's easier to buy a new rifle when you want to change cartridge sizes. You can change cartridge sizes with the push of a couple of pins and a new upper. You believe no real man would dare risk the ridicule of his friends by suggesting there is anything but 7.62x54r.
You can repair your rifle with a big hammer and a swift kick. You can repair your rifle by taking it to a certified gunsmith, it's under warranty! If your rifle breaks, you buy a new one.
You consider it a badge of honor when you get your handguards burst into flames. You consider it a badge of honor when you shoot a sub-MOA 5 shot group. You consider it a badge of honor when you cycle 5 rounds without the aid of a 2x4.
After a long day the range you relax by watching "Red Dawn". After a long day at the range you relax by watching "Blackhawk Down". After a long day at the range you relax by visiting the chiropractor.
After cleaning your rifle you have a strong urge for a stiff shot of Vodka. After cleaning your rifle you have a strong urge for hotdogs and apple pie. After cleaning your rifle you have a strong urge for shishkabob.
You can accessorize you rifle with a new muzzle brake or a nice stock set. Your rifle's accessories are eight times more valuable than your rifle. Your rifle's accessory is a small tin can with a funny lid, but it's buried under an apartment building somewhere in Budapest.
Your rifle's finish is varnish and paint. Your rifle's finish is Teflon and high tech polymers. Your rifle's finish is low grade shellac, cosmoline and Olga's toe nails.
Your wife tolerates your autographed framed picture of Mikhail Kalashnikov. Your wife tolerates your autographed framed picture of Eugene Stoner. You're not sure there WERE cameras to photograph Sergei Mosin.
Late at night you sometimes have to fight the urge to hold your rifle over your head and shout "Wolverines!" Late at night you sometimes have to fight the urge to clear your house, slicing the pie from room to room. Late at night, you sometimes have to fight the urge to dig a fighting trench in the the yard to sleep in.
There you have it.  In the end, it is clear to any open minded inquirer that the Mosin Nagant is the most superior weapon of all time, but the AR and the AK come out as a draw when compared side by side.

24 posted on 10/02/2009 8:51:36 AM PDT by smokingfrog (No man's life, liberty or property is safe while the legislature is in session. I AM JIM THOMPSON)
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To: marine86297
and for when the revolution begins...

AR's Pictures, Images and Photos

Remington 870 Tactical 4 Pictures, Images and Photos
25 posted on 10/02/2009 8:51:58 AM PDT by marine86297 (I'll never forgive Clinton for Somalia, my blood is on his hands)
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To: LizardQueen

“A large caliber rifle, .22 rifle or pistol, 9mm or .45, and pump shotgun are the basics.”
One of each...just a list with multiples to choose from.


26 posted on 10/02/2009 8:53:42 AM PDT by Sasparilla
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To: Sasparilla

Now, Now, Now.

You know 0bama has spies here. And you know we all sold our guns at a gun show and just keep a few boxes of ammo around for old time’s sake.

So 0bama-trolls, we have no guns here. Move along now and go watch your Michael Moore movie and get wee-weed up.


27 posted on 10/02/2009 8:53:48 AM PDT by HighlyOpinionated (2012 -- Sarah Palin for President, Michele Bachmann for VP, Liz Cheney for Sec of State!)
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To: mountainlion

I bought my Chinese-built SKS second-hand from an American capitalist and its receiver and other fring components are most definitely not constructed of stamped sheet metal.

It has the added benefit of being a heck of a lot cheaper to practice with than my AR-15.


28 posted on 10/02/2009 8:55:11 AM PDT by WayneS (Respect the 2nd Amendment; Repeal the 16th)
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To: Sasparilla
I was thinking about worst case scenario firearms...and it occurred to me that if the sh!t realy, realy hit the fan the revolver offers a few substantial advantages for handloaders...

1. Not all autoloaders work well with cast bullets.

2. Revolvers don't stovepipe and crush brass, or deform it on extraction/ejection.

3. If pressed, revolver ammo can be handloaded with blackpowder.

29 posted on 10/02/2009 8:57:51 AM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: clamper1797

If I were to obtain another firearm, I would buy it with the thought in mind that I might be getting my ammo from freshly killed opponents ...


30 posted on 10/02/2009 8:59:08 AM PDT by clamper1797 (If Obama were a paid Soviet agent he could not do more damage ... Sen Thomas Jordan)
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To: Sasparilla

Grab a PSL. You get AK reliability, Mosin Nagant power and Dragunov accuracy. I wouldn’t worry about high capacity magazines, because if things are so haywire you’re spraying it enough to need 75 rounds in a mag then (a)you’re going to run out of what will become a scarce resource, and (b)you aren’t going to live that long anyway. Best bet is to reach out and touch the bad guys from afar. 30-06, 7.62x54r, 308, etc. Up close will probably be up REAL close, so a pistol will do.


31 posted on 10/02/2009 8:59:09 AM PDT by Trod Upon (Obama: Making the Carter malaise look good. Misery Index in 3...2...1)
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To: Sasparilla
Hot puppies! A Friday gun porn thread!

The whole thing revolves around "when things go bad." How bad? Are you going to be toting a 12-gauge over your shoulder when you shop for cheesy puffs? Great, I can get down with that, but if things aren't quite so bad and old ladies will call the SWAT team on you, then concealment comes into your scenario (or carrying a less scary piece).

If you have to hunt for pot meat the scenario changes. If there are small groups of marauders looking for a quick mugging victim, different still. The key here is to adapt to the threat.

And the key to adaptation is options. Buy guns. It's for the children.

32 posted on 10/02/2009 9:01:23 AM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: Sasparilla

When you need a gun, just take what you want from the invading “blue helmets”. That way ammo will be easy to find.


33 posted on 10/02/2009 9:04:26 AM PDT by wrench
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To: WayneS
We all have our preferences. I reload so shooting is cheaper than buying new. You used to be able to put together an AR for $400 but now they have skyrocketed. There are places on line to get bulk 223 bullets and brass so now the main problem is primers.
34 posted on 10/02/2009 9:05:05 AM PDT by mountainlion (concerned conservative.)
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To: Joe 6-pack

Bingo. My TEOTWAKI handgun is a Ruger GP100 .357 — totally overbuilt, indestructible, and absolutely reliable. Plus it can take a small-medium deer in a pinch. Semi-autos are nice, but if I had to pick only one for the rest of my life, it’d be a stainless revolver in .357 with a 4” bbl. Followed by a glock.


35 posted on 10/02/2009 9:09:12 AM PDT by FateAmenableToChange
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To: Sasparilla

Anyone want to sell a threaded barrel for a HK USP40?


36 posted on 10/02/2009 9:12:15 AM PDT by uddaudd (7 days - 7 ways Guero >>> with a floating, shifting, ever changing persona.....)
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To: Billthedrill
The key here is to adapt to the threat.

I'm ready if my land is invaded by zombie pheasants. CSMC RBL 16 gauge. ;)

37 posted on 10/02/2009 9:14:52 AM PDT by Tijeras_Slim (Live jubtabulously!)
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To: Tijeras_Slim

Sweet. It’d work on zombies, too.


38 posted on 10/02/2009 9:18:53 AM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: smokingfrog

When I was a kid I owned a Moisin-Nagant rifle. Bought it thru the mail for something like $12.95 plus shipping. It was all your post says it was.


39 posted on 10/02/2009 9:21:35 AM PDT by scory
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To: Mikey_1962
I have the 870 Folding stock they made a few years back.
A collapsible stock sounds tacti-cool too....
40 posted on 10/02/2009 9:22:53 AM PDT by uddaudd (7 days - 7 ways Guero >>> with a floating, shifting, ever changing persona.....)
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To: stevie_d_64

ping


41 posted on 10/02/2009 9:24:48 AM PDT by GulfBreeze (Palin 2012 - For The Change You Wanted!!!)
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To: smokingfrog
Funny but true.

On a more series note; a bolt action .22 rifle for collecting game that can be hushed up a bit.

(Posted by a guy who couldn't set a snare with a mountain man at his side showing him how)

42 posted on 10/02/2009 9:26:32 AM PDT by investigateworld (Abortion stops a beating heart)
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To: Sasparilla

Can’t argue too much with any of the choices.


43 posted on 10/02/2009 9:27:27 AM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: Sasparilla

I have an 870,5 rnds. beretta model 92fs, m1carbine military, 45 auto pistol, 22 mil.pistol,long barrel


44 posted on 10/02/2009 9:28:49 AM PDT by moonrush23 (h)
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To: harpseal; TexasCowboy; nunya bidness; AAABEST; Travis McGee; Squantos; Shooter 2.5; wku man; SLB; ..
Friday fun thread.


45 posted on 10/02/2009 9:29:56 AM PDT by Joe Brower (Sheep have three speeds: "graze", "stampede" and "cower".)
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To: scory

...and then some.

I own two of them right now, or I would if I hadn;t gotten rid of ALL mu guns.

They’re a HOOT to shoot at night. Flames shoot out of them from every crevice.


46 posted on 10/02/2009 9:30:58 AM PDT by WayneS (Respect the 2nd Amendment; Repeal the 16th)
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To: Recon Dad

Agree on the 22 rifle. That and just a 4X see through scope would take care a the small stuff.


47 posted on 10/02/2009 9:32:58 AM PDT by freedomlover (Make sure you're in love - before you move in the heavy stuff)
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To: scory

I have an M44 Mosin carbine that is a tack driver at 200 yards with the bayonet extended (shoots high and right with it folded). It’s heavy enough that the recoil really isn’t bad, it’s better than hubbys 308 deer rifle that is a lot lighter.

It’s funny - any time I show it to a couple visiting the house for dinner the man always turns and pokes his spouse with the bayonet (even those trained in gun safety).
It says something about relationships, right there LOL.

LQ


48 posted on 10/02/2009 9:34:13 AM PDT by LizardQueen (The world is not out to get you, except in the sense that the world is out to get everyone.)
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To: Joe Brower

Three’s a charm! I’ll take it!


49 posted on 10/02/2009 9:36:47 AM PDT by GulfBreeze (Palin 2012 - For The Change You Wanted!!!)
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To: marine86297

Right! I have the 4” in blue steel and absolutely love it. I don’t leave home without it!


50 posted on 10/02/2009 9:50:49 AM PDT by Ron H. (I believe in and practice the 4 Gs : God, Guns, Guts and Garden and OBTW, Obama LIES.)
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