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Obama prepared to pay off the Taliban
Unto the Breach ^ | 12 Oct 2009 | Chris Carter

Posted on 10/12/2009 9:44:51 AM PDT by Crush

Just when you thought things couldn't possibly get any worse (from The Times)...

The Obama administration is considering outbidding the Taliban to persuade Afghan villagers to lay down arms as it struggles to find a new approach to a war that is fast losing public and congressional support.
Didn't we send troops to Afghanistan to fight the Taliban? Now the Obama administration is wanting to legitimize yet another terrorist group:
Apart from training more Afghan troops, the focus has shifted to accepting a political role for the Taliban, while also trying to weaken them by winning some over.
Once again, it is impossible to win over people who have a religious duty to eliminate our civilization through jihad. There is no middle ground, and they will only use our money against us. The even bigger problem I believe is that the Obama administration has to know this.

Here's what passes for war strategy when community organizers and revolutionaries run the government:

Paying Taliban foot-soldiers to switch sides could spare US lives and save money, say its advocates. A recent report by the Senate foreign relations committee estimated the Taliban fighting strength at 15,000, of whom only 5% are committed idealogues while 70% fight for money — the so-called $10-a-day Taliban. Doubling this to win them over would cost just $300,000 a day, compared with the $165m a day the United States is spending fighting the war.
These "advocates" are so far off base this isn't even worth analyzing. But I had been under the impression we sent troops to Afghanistan to fight the Taliban and al Qaeda-associated movements - not to save money! I wonder why we didn't just pay off the Wermacht in 1944 rather than invade Normandy.

At least someone has a clue:

Some experts disagree. Gilles Dorronsoro from the Carnegie Institute insisted: “You cannot break an insurgency that strong with money. It’s not a mercenary force — it’s a very powerful movement.”
The thing is that the Afghans know that the U.S. is about to cut and run just like every other civilization that has occupied Afghanistan throughout human history. The ones who take the money will be left high and dry when Obama decides enough is enough, but the Taliban are there to stay, and will remember who wasn't willing to continue the jihad. All this would be is another collosal waste of taxpayer money, which the Taliban will end up appropriating anyways.

This is obviously a UK story because they actually found more than one person who isn't in lockstep with the administration. Obama is getting caught up in his own words:

Leslie Gelb, president emeritus of the Council on Foreign Relations, argues that the president has only himself to blame. “It was Obama who insisted in March and again last month that this was a ‘war of necessity’ and must be fully resourced rather than looking at what we really have at stake in Afghanistan.”


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1 posted on 10/12/2009 9:44:51 AM PDT by Crush
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To: Crush

We are soooo screwed..paying off your enemies worked so well for the Byzantines *snorts*.


2 posted on 10/12/2009 9:47:46 AM PDT by Mmogamer (<This space for lease>)
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To: Crush

He being a good Kenyan-born, illegal alien, devout muslim, why are we surprised. Can’t wait to find out in a tell-all book about his muslim prayer rug. What a POS!


3 posted on 10/12/2009 9:47:50 AM PDT by laweeks
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To: Crush
Here we go again!

Recall Chamberlain and Hitler and notice the outcome.

The outcome will be similiar or worse. Obama may happily BAIL THEM OUT with our tax dollars of ocurse, and they can use the money to drop a bomb on all of us. How nice!

4 posted on 10/12/2009 9:48:43 AM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: Mmogamer

Same with Chamberlain and Hitler ... .

There does our debt, AGAIN!


5 posted on 10/12/2009 9:49:25 AM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: Crush

What happens when the Taliban ups the payment to $30 per day? Will we jump in with $40?
Maybe this is the way obama plans to handle crime, too - pay the perps to not murder, cheat, and steal.


6 posted on 10/12/2009 9:54:15 AM PDT by ElayneJ
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To: nmh
Here is what a soldier had to say on Anysoldier.com It makes me just furious at this AWFUL administration....


"11 Oct 2009: I don't know what you heard about COP Keating. A week and a half ago we moved from our O.P. to our COP. COP keating. On the 3rd we were overran. We were pinned down by over one hundred mortar rounds and the as soon as those stopped, they took out our trucks and towers with RPGs. They had snipers everywhere and kept us pinned down. Then they managed to infiltrate the wire and it was just Armageddon. We had to call for fire on our own position. We lost 8 men. None of us have anything left. It was all destroyed. This is the first chance that I have had to get on the Internet. They pulled us out about 36 hours ago. I don't know what else to say"
7 posted on 10/12/2009 9:55:20 AM PDT by RummyChick
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To: nmh
and they can use the money to drop a bomb on all of us. How nice!

With the removal of the defense missiles in Poland, your statement takes on a new level of truth.

God help us all.

8 posted on 10/12/2009 9:57:41 AM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: Crush

Gee, what if King George had thought of this? We all know that the Patriots were totally lacking in faith in the cause and were in it just for the money.


9 posted on 10/12/2009 9:58:22 AM PDT by wtc911 ("How you gonna get back down that hill?")
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To: Crush
“Gilles Dorronsoro from the Carnegie Institute insisted: “You cannot break an insurgency that strong with money. It’s not a mercenary force — it’s a very powerful movement”

BHO has no clue what so ever, at least that guy does. The Taliban are an ideologically/religiously driven movement. No way money will “buy” them at least not for long. Maybe our Nobel laureate can put the bidding up on Ebay for transparency purposes./s It would be ironic if the Taliban refused dollars and wanted other currencies just like the Saudis are talking about doing with their oil transactions.

10 posted on 10/12/2009 9:59:33 AM PDT by Polynikes (Viene una tormenta)
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To: Crush
Paying off the Taliwhackers worked out SOOOOO well when BJ Clinton tried it....


11 posted on 10/12/2009 10:10:29 AM PDT by RasterMaster (The only way to open a LIEberal mind is with a brick!)
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To: Crush

Ah sheesh! Who gave this ahole a blank check? Get him out before it’s too late. VOTE against the person that isn’t Bush.


12 posted on 10/12/2009 10:10:54 AM PDT by TribalPrincess2U (dimocRATS, the party of taxes and death. Is this what you want?)
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To: Crush

Let’s give them Massachusetts, but they have to take Barney Frank or no deal.


13 posted on 10/12/2009 10:11:12 AM PDT by wny
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To: nmh
Read a book recently about the Battle of Britain.

Apparently, while Neville Chamberlain and his predecessor, Baldwin, were appeasing the Germans, the Brits were developing the Hurricane and Spitfire, the radar system and the doctrine that defended the UK and won the Battle of Britain. In fact, this may be very reason he was “appeasing” the Nazis. So, he wasn't all bad.

Unlike Obama.

14 posted on 10/12/2009 10:13:04 AM PDT by Little Ray (Obama is a kamikaze president aimed at the heart of this Republic.)
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To: RasterMaster

Of course, Bush did it too by paying off the insurgents.


15 posted on 10/12/2009 10:13:58 AM PDT by Captain Kirk
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To: Crush

They’re probably now gonna want to be paid in EUROs, since ZERO is letting the Dollar drop down to same!


16 posted on 10/12/2009 10:21:04 AM PDT by LibFreeUSA
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To: Captain Kirk

That’s funny...I must have missed the insurgents flying planes into buildings. Paying them to turn on the mullahs and turn in those our troops were hunting for isn’t what BJ Clinton was doing.

Nice try though.


17 posted on 10/12/2009 10:28:52 AM PDT by RasterMaster (The only way to open a LIEberal mind is with a brick!)
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To: Crush
What a schmuck.

They'll take our money and pull the trigger anyway.

18 posted on 10/12/2009 10:37:51 AM PDT by grobdriver (Proud Member, Party Of No! No Socialism - No Fascism - Nobama - No Way!)
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To: Mmogamer

While I don’t think it is a good idea here, the Byzantine reference is a poor example. The Byzantines used this tactic, along with others for a thousand years and survived through numerous enemies. It was only when the West completely turned their backs on them that the Byzantines were overcome.


19 posted on 10/12/2009 11:19:34 AM PDT by gbscott1954 (Sarah 2012!!!)
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To: RasterMaster

The Pashtun Taliban also did not fly planes into buildings. Those were Arab Sunni members of Al Qaeda from Saudi Arabia and Egypt. In case you weren’t reading the papers, the insurgents bribed by Bush were the same ones killing Americans and civilians with suicide bombers allied with the Arab Al Qaeda in Iraq.


20 posted on 10/12/2009 11:32:00 AM PDT by Captain Kirk
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To: Crush

“Millions for tribute, but not one penny for defense!”


21 posted on 10/12/2009 12:00:45 PM PDT by Claud
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To: Little Ray

It is true that many within the UK defense establishment knew they were unprepared for war Hitler was even more so. UK had a defense industry that could have been sprung into motion and the Nazis didn’t have masses of men as they were coming off of the Versailles imposed limitations on their forces. If ww2 had started then it still would have been awful but it would have been won by the UK and France alone.

Of course then there would have been a non nuclear ww3 with the soviet union...


22 posted on 10/12/2009 2:56:38 PM PDT by Eyes Unclouded (Step 1: Expel half the party and write off huge chunks of the country. Step 2: ??? Step 3: Profit.)
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To: Crush

Pres_ _ent So-Vain Hussein Obama: "Go Taliban. Go Taliban. Go Taliban.
MY new presidential helicopter will let ME cook a meal while under nuclear attack."

23 posted on 10/12/2009 2:58:49 PM PDT by Diogenesis ("Those who go below the surface do so at their peril" - Oscar Wilde)
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To: Captain Kirk
What Obama wants to do now is exactly what Clinton did and will have the same results, so bringing Bush into it is irrelevant. That said, I don't approve of using tax dollars to turn one tribe against the other cause there's not a dollars worth of difference between them.

They all belong to the culture of death that is incompatible to our way of life. The approach I approve of to "win hearts and minds" has yet to be tried which is the only method they respect...


24 posted on 10/12/2009 4:37:43 PM PDT by RasterMaster (The only way to open a LIEberal mind is with a brick!)
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To: Crush

Why doesn’t the arasewipre pay some of my and others bills before sending money to enemies...besides I could use it better as sure most all Americans could.


25 posted on 10/12/2009 7:14:44 PM PDT by Karliner (Things are more like they are now than they have ever been before. DDE)
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To: Crush
So $300/month for Taliban Soldiers....

Has anyone thought to ask the Afghan Army who only pays about $150/month per soldier?

26 posted on 10/12/2009 8:24:46 PM PDT by topfile
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To: Crush
Maybe I'm missunderstanding....... is Obama going to
actually pay the Taliban double to fight us now?
27 posted on 10/12/2009 8:31:36 PM PDT by topfile
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To: Crush
Why not give them free US college tuition and living expenses at US Universities or community colleges as well as holidays in the Caribbeans? This plan would stimulate the economy too.
28 posted on 10/12/2009 9:15:39 PM PDT by garjog (Used to be liberals were just people to disagree with. Now they are a threat to our existence.)
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To: Captain Kirk

Trying to talk logic about this issue clearly isn’t going to work

This was part of Patreaus’ surge strategy. Pay off the Sunnis in Iraq and put them on our pay roll.

Much easier then having our soldiers be sitting ducks with the current ROE


29 posted on 10/13/2009 6:55:51 AM PDT by MadIsh32 (In order to be pro-market, sometimes you must be anti-big business)
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To: MadIsh32

Well...then we agree. An essential part of Petreaus’s strategy was to put insurgents, who had American blood on their hands, on the U.S. payroll. Obama is doing the same. The ROE is a separate issue.


30 posted on 10/13/2009 7:23:35 AM PDT by Captain Kirk
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To: Captain Kirk

yes we do agree.

I also think this strategy is a MUST in Afghanistan where you are dealing with the most ignorant population on Earth

You feed them or give them the means to feed themselves (via bribes) they won’t hurt you.

You mess with them, they’ll get back at you as hard as possible. It is truly a “culture of honor” meaning that any slight against them is a slight against their “honor” and they must get revenge. Its typical of any type of people that live in mountains around the world.

Bribe them. Get them to lay down their arms against us. It’ll cost far less American blood


31 posted on 10/13/2009 7:30:38 AM PDT by MadIsh32 (In order to be pro-market, sometimes you must be anti-big business)
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To: Crush
Pay off our enemies not to hurt us: The Obama Doctrine.


32 posted on 10/13/2009 8:49:42 PM PDT by garjog (Used to be liberals were just people to disagree with. Now they are a threat to our existence.)
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