Skip to comments.Since They Can't Get Your Firearms Yet, They Have Gone After Your Ammunition
Posted on 10/14/2009 8:35:49 AM PDT by Sasparilla
Its been predicted for a long time that if anti- gun groups can't get your guns, then they will go after your ammunition.
Governor Arnold Swartzenegger has done exactly that in signing a new law regulating ammunition sales. The ostensible goal is to track the bullets used in crimes.
Criminals will find another way to get their bullets. It will be where they get their guns...on the street. This is another gun law that will only affect the honest individual.
The Governor said just the week before that he would veto the new ammunition law, thus preventing organized opposition to his signature. Anyone violating this new law will face a misdemeanor charge.
The new law makes these changes in the way you will buy ammunition in California.
1) It will prohibit the sale of ammunition in a way that allows the ammunition to be accessible without the assistance of an employee. It has to be in a case where the customer has no access. You could have to stand in line to see what you are buying..
2) The dealer must ask for identification each time you buy handgun ammunition and the dealer will be required to record personal information including:
a. Your thumb print
b. Your Driver's license number
c. Your home address and telephone number
d. The brand and type of ammunition that you purchased
e. Your birth date
3) It will now become illegal to buy ammunition online or by mail order. It may become impossible to buy any ammunition not stocked by dealers.
In addition to crippling taxes, crime, and draconian gun laws, this is one more reason for Californians to move to gun friendlier Nevada or Arizona.
Governor Swartzenegger said in signing the bill, "Although I have previously vetoed legislation similar to this...
(Excerpt) Read more at secondamendmentfreedom.blogspot.com ...
We should push ammunition manufacturers to stop all ammunition sales to California. Particularly CA law enforcement. Let them throw rocks.
It was good enough for Barrett to Stop California law enforcement sales. Ammo manufacturers...take note
WOW. They’ll have to go to neighboring states to get ammo.Incoming revenue for the neighboring states.None for CA.
Way to go Ahnold!
I will sell ammo to them, 10% markup.
Were going to have to take one step at a time,
and the first step is necessarily given the
political realities going to be very modest .
.. So then well have to start working again to
strengthen the law, and then again to strengthen
the next law, and maybe again and again.
Right now, though, wed be satisfied not with half
a loaf but with a slice.
Our ultimate goal total control of handguns in
the United States is going to take time ....
The first problem is to slow down the increasing
number of guns being produced and sold in this country.
The second problem is to get handguns registered.
And the final problem is to make the possession of *all*
handguns and *all* handgun ammunition except for the
military, policemen, licensed security guards, licensed
sporting clubs, and licensed gun collectors totally
Pete Shields, Chairman Emeritus, Handgun Control, Inc.
( The New Yorker, July 26, 1976 )
The SC Heller decision seems to apply to a ‘quantity of ammunition’ as well as the firearms. I believe the SC already thought of government banning ammunition, and made that part of the right. You cannot separate the firearm from the ammunition.
I haven’t reread the Heller decision lately but I seem to recall this was the case.
Buy out of state.. don’t spend nothing in California.
Buy a carbine rifle, the law covers handgun ammo... if you buy a rifle that uses the same ammo then buy it in bulk for your rifle.
I'm new to using rimfire ammo - just bought a .22LR (Remington 597). Is it common to get misfires? I have a box of 500 Remington Cyclone rounds and fired about 60 or so over the weekend with about a 10% misfire rate.
Sounds like somewhing wrong with the firing pin not the ammo. I go through boxes of Remington without any misfires in my Ruger. Evenb the little Phoenix Arms pocket pistol doesn’t cause such a rate of misfires.
I've read quite a bit about quality control problems with Remington rimfire ammo in the past year or so. To answer your question, no, a quality firearm with good ammo should have nothing like a 10% misfire rate. Have you tried different ammo? I've generally had excellent results with CCI rimfire ammo...
Yep. I see a thriving black market in ammunition for those who do not trust the government. I imagine that for a while it will be impossible to find ammunition in towns that border California.
The a**hat lied about vetoing the bill and then signed it into law. What a jerk.
Yes, cowboy action shooters are going to have a hard time competing with their .44 mag and .357 mag carbines. The only up side, so far, is that components aren’t banned so reloading is still an option. 50 rounds per month is BS. For a criminal, 50 rounds will last forever, however for a law abiding citizen who shoots in competition 50 rounds is a snap of the fingers.
Of course,if one were so inclined, one could have out-of-state relatives get one’s ammo for one online,and then one could simply go get it and bring it home,or they can ship it to one via UPS or FedEx,or by a westbound friend or relative....there’s always a way.
We have until February, 2011 to stock up...
If enough people crab they will fix whatever is causing it. .22 long rifle ammo is one of the biggest sellers of ammo and I am sure all ammo manufacturers make a good profit off of them and would not want to lose any sales because of misfires.
The 18th century definition of "arms" refers to anything an individual might need to effectively defend themselves and their community. This included not only guns but ammo, knives, armor, swords and (in the case of wealthier Americans) cannons. I think it could be effectively argued that the 2nd amendment today protects the ownership of guns, probably even fully automatics, all ammo, body armor, and possibly even grenades / grenades launchers.
1 count of conspiring to deprive Americans of their Constitutional rights under the 2nd Amendment.
10 million counts of violating Americans' Constitutional rights under the 2nd Amendment.
Call me cynical, but it's not much of a stretch for those border checkpoints that look for incoming produce to expand their scope to include ammo.
Since the dollar is tanking and gold is increasingly hard to come by, all asset portfolios should include a substantial percentage of investment grade ammunition.
In my experience Remington rimfire ammo is prone to malfunction although not at the 10% rate you cite. I prefer CCI or PMC
And the gun shops on the AZ side of the CA border say “thank you very much”.
BLOAT was never so true.
I hope not, it's a brand new rifle. This was the first 60 rounds through it.
I bought some, but didn't take it to the field. I'll try the other ammo - believe it is CCI, but can't remember for certain. Thanks!
I may do so. It's both Remington's rifle and their ammo. Both brand new. Thanks!
Now, if some enterprising dingbat in the CalGov were to initiate a State Tax on ammo, well, checkpoints at the border might make sense...catch those tax evaders, and use it as an excuse to hire a few hundred stooges on the State payroll.
Big time. I've gotten the go ahead from she who must be obeyed to go shopping, so I'm taking inventory and putting the list together!
The old "Okie oil filter wrench" is good for lots of things.
This was just the 60 rounds (had 6 misfire), but it did seem high to me. I'm gonna give Remington a call over it.
This just sent ammunition buying to an even greater frenzie.
On a side note, the inside of the ammo can still smelled like fresh paint (it was dry, though). From the hungarian date stamp on the box, I think it was made in 1984. Every round worked like a beaut. The bruise on my shoulder is now a nice purple.
What is up with shotgun shells? Went into Wallyworld to get some clay pigeons for my daughter to shoot and they were $10 a box. I have heard some drivel about there being a lead shortage.
Only problem is,they can’t afford to hire anyone as dogcatcher,let alone border monitor.I can see border checkpoints to the south,but not from the east or north.
However,you are right about enterprising dingbats...Berkeley sure has given the rest of us enough of them! LOL
1,000 rounds occupies about the space of a shoebox.
Criminals would need only about 10 rounds each.
Street markup could be 1000% easy.
So ... a black market dealer can supply 100 customers, making a 90% profit, netting a nice week’s salary with a few hours’ simple work via easily-obtained goods fitting in a briefcase.
How could this legislation/criminalization possibly go wrong?
Yeah..could also be that,with production of ammo at a fever-pitch to try and keep up with demand, you could have gotten some bad ammo.Same with the rifles/handguns.Anything’s possible when it comes to high-speed production! LOL Hopefully it’s just ammo.
$23/box of 100 for bird/target loads (several brands - Winchester, Federal for two) at the Wally World here.
This is going to make the upcoming SCOTUS case interesting, because if they find in favor of the 2nd Amendment, this California law will be DOA.
U would bet that the ammo is not generating enough power to eject the spent cartridge and load the next. It happened to me during the first couple hundred rounds. After that it will fire just about anything I put through it.
That’s a pretty good dealio ($5.75/box) but still not like the $4.00 from a few years ago. I guess there will be a dove population explosion in Texas this year unless there is an ammunition stimulus plan.
It's loading, and the firing pin is making contact, because every round that didn't fire had the firing pin mark on it. From a cursory examination, it appeared that pin placement on the misfires was the same as for the spent rounds, but who knows, it could be just that much off to not fire.
I'm going to give Remington a call, though. Not that it bothers me for the money(really, it was about 30 bucks for 500 rounds), but that Remington quality is lacking somewhere.
“Is it common to get misfires?”
I am not an expert like many here, but a typical 4H kids 22 practice session, at which between 500 and 1000 rounds of 22 LR will be fired [50 per shooter], there will be zero misfires.
Various. Nothing expensive. It depends on what the club can find for a good price. Lately, Winchester Wildcat.
“Ammo manufacturers...take note”
Time to start writing them.
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