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Since They Can't Get Your Firearms Yet, They Have Gone After Your Ammunition
secondamendmentfreedom.blogspot.com ^ | 10/15/09 | Sasparilla

Posted on 10/14/2009 8:35:49 AM PDT by Sasparilla

Its been predicted for a long time that if anti- gun groups can't get your guns, then they will go after your ammunition.

Governor Arnold Swartzenegger has done exactly that in signing a new law regulating ammunition sales. The ostensible goal is to track the bullets used in crimes.

Criminals will find another way to get their bullets. It will be where they get their guns...on the street. This is another gun law that will only affect the honest individual.

The Governor said just the week before that he would veto the new ammunition law, thus preventing organized opposition to his signature. Anyone violating this new law will face a misdemeanor charge.

The new law makes these changes in the way you will buy ammunition in California.

1) It will prohibit the sale of ammunition in a way that allows the ammunition to be accessible without the assistance of an employee. It has to be in a case where the customer has no access. You could have to stand in line to see what you are buying..

2) The dealer must ask for identification each time you buy handgun ammunition and the dealer will be required to record personal information including:

a. Your thumb print

b. Your Driver's license number

c. Your home address and telephone number

d. The brand and type of ammunition that you purchased

e. Your birth date

3) It will now become illegal to buy ammunition online or by mail order. It may become impossible to buy any ammunition not stocked by dealers.

In addition to crippling taxes, crime, and draconian gun laws, this is one more reason for Californians to move to gun friendlier Nevada or Arizona.

Governor Swartzenegger said in signing the bill, "Although I have previously vetoed legislation similar to this...

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1 posted on 10/14/2009 8:35:49 AM PDT by Sasparilla
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To: Sasparilla

We should push ammunition manufacturers to stop all ammunition sales to California. Particularly CA law enforcement. Let them throw rocks.


2 posted on 10/14/2009 8:37:17 AM PDT by Favor Center (Targets up! Hold hard and favor center!)
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To: Favor Center

It was good enough for Barrett to Stop California law enforcement sales. Ammo manufacturers...take note


3 posted on 10/14/2009 8:39:23 AM PDT by Sasparilla
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To: Favor Center

WOW. They’ll have to go to neighboring states to get ammo.Incoming revenue for the neighboring states.None for CA.
Way to go Ahnold!


4 posted on 10/14/2009 8:40:19 AM PDT by gimme1ibertee (And the people cry "Sarah!Sarah!" And she hears....yes,she hears......)
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To: Sasparilla

I will sell ammo to them, 10% markup.


5 posted on 10/14/2009 8:44:34 AM PDT by devistate one four (Back by popular demand: America love or leave it (GTFOOMC) TET68)
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To: Sasparilla

“We’re going to have to take one step at a time,
and the first step is necessarily — given the
political realities — going to be very modest .
.. So then we’ll have to start working again to
strengthen the law, and then again to strengthen
the next law, and maybe again and again.
Right now, though, we’d be satisfied not with half
a loaf but with a slice.
Our ultimate goal — total control of handguns in
the United States — is going to take time ....
The first problem is to slow down the increasing
number of guns being produced and sold in this country.
The second problem is to get handguns registered.
And the final problem is to make the possession of *all*
handguns and *all* handgun ammunition — except for the
military, policemen, licensed security guards, licensed
sporting clubs, and licensed gun collectors — totally
illegal.”
— Pete Shields, Chairman Emeritus, Handgun Control, Inc.
( “The New Yorker”, July 26, 1976 )


6 posted on 10/14/2009 8:45:23 AM PDT by HuntsvilleTxVeteran ((B.?) Hussein (Obama?Soetoro?Dunham?) Change America Will Die From.)
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To: Sasparilla

The SC Heller decision seems to apply to a ‘quantity of ammunition’ as well as the firearms. I believe the SC already thought of government banning ammunition, and made that part of the right. You cannot separate the firearm from the ammunition.

I haven’t reread the Heller decision lately but I seem to recall this was the case.


7 posted on 10/14/2009 8:46:24 AM PDT by Tarpon (Oba-Mao is a reader, not a leader ...)
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To: Sasparilla

Buy out of state.. don’t spend nothing in California.

Buy a carbine rifle, the law covers handgun ammo... if you buy a rifle that uses the same ammo then buy it in bulk for your rifle.


8 posted on 10/14/2009 8:57:35 AM PDT by MD_Willington_1976
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To: Sasparilla
Just bought a case of 440 rounds of 7.62x54r for my Mosin Nagant. Cost me 95 bucks from Cheaper than Dirt. No can opener, but a screwdriver and hammer, judiciously applied, worked fine.

I'm new to using rimfire ammo - just bought a .22LR (Remington 597). Is it common to get misfires? I have a box of 500 Remington Cyclone rounds and fired about 60 or so over the weekend with about a 10% misfire rate.

9 posted on 10/14/2009 8:57:47 AM PDT by IYAS9YAS (The townhalls were going great until the oPods showed up.)
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To: IYAS9YAS

Sounds like somewhing wrong with the firing pin not the ammo. I go through boxes of Remington without any misfires in my Ruger. Evenb the little Phoenix Arms pocket pistol doesn’t cause such a rate of misfires.


10 posted on 10/14/2009 9:01:20 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Dems, believing they cannot be deceived, it is impossible to convince them when they are deceived.)
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To: IYAS9YAS
"I'm new to using rimfire ammo - just bought a .22LR (Remington 597). Is it common to get misfires? I have a box of 500 Remington Cyclone rounds and fired about 60 or so over the weekend with about a 10% misfire rate."

I've read quite a bit about quality control problems with Remington rimfire ammo in the past year or so. To answer your question, no, a quality firearm with good ammo should have nothing like a 10% misfire rate. Have you tried different ammo? I've generally had excellent results with CCI rimfire ammo...

11 posted on 10/14/2009 9:03:15 AM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: Sasparilla
Obama fuels gun purchases, Schwarzenegger fuels ammo sales........they just do not get it.
12 posted on 10/14/2009 9:09:11 AM PDT by Kakaze (Exterminate Islamofacism and apologize for nothing.....except not doing it sooner!)
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To: gimme1ibertee

Yep. I see a thriving black market in ammunition for those who do not trust the government. I imagine that for a while it will be impossible to find ammunition in towns that border California.


13 posted on 10/14/2009 9:09:44 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (The Second Amendment. Don't MAKE me use it.)
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To: Sasparilla

The a**hat lied about vetoing the bill and then signed it into law. What a jerk.


14 posted on 10/14/2009 9:12:27 AM PDT by calex59
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To: MD_Willington_1976

Yes, cowboy action shooters are going to have a hard time competing with their .44 mag and .357 mag carbines. The only up side, so far, is that components aren’t banned so reloading is still an option. 50 rounds per month is BS. For a criminal, 50 rounds will last forever, however for a law abiding citizen who shoots in competition 50 rounds is a snap of the fingers.


15 posted on 10/14/2009 9:16:28 AM PDT by calex59
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Yep.True that.
Of course,if one were so inclined, one could have out-of-state relatives get one’s ammo for one online,and then one could simply go get it and bring it home,or they can ship it to one via UPS or FedEx,or by a westbound friend or relative....there’s always a way.


16 posted on 10/14/2009 9:18:07 AM PDT by gimme1ibertee (And the people cry "Sarah!Sarah!" And she hears....yes,she hears......)
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To: Sasparilla

We have until February, 2011 to stock up...


17 posted on 10/14/2009 9:21:39 AM PDT by Doomonyou (Let them eat Lead. Bonus tag line: FAIL 246, Obama 0)
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To: IYAS9YAS
Lately some Remington ammo has seem to misfire frequently, according to some reports I've read. .22 rimfires should not misfire any more than center fire, in fact traditionally they are quite reliable and Remington used to be one of the best. I use what ever is cheapest and have no trouble, in fact I have a bunch of Remington .22 long rifles now that are working just fine in my pistols and my rifle. Check the strike of your firing pin, maybe it is to light for the Remington brass, or maybe a bad lot of Ammo. You might try calling Remington and complaining about it.

If enough people crab they will fix whatever is causing it. .22 long rifle ammo is one of the biggest sellers of ammo and I am sure all ammo manufacturers make a good profit off of them and would not want to lose any sales because of misfires.

18 posted on 10/14/2009 9:22:21 AM PDT by calex59
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To: Sasparilla
I hate to break it to the gun grabbers (or in this case ammo grabbers) but the 2nd amendment uses the term "arms" not "firearms".

The 18th century definition of "arms" refers to anything an individual might need to effectively defend themselves and their community. This included not only guns but ammo, knives, armor, swords and (in the case of wealthier Americans) cannons. I think it could be effectively argued that the 2nd amendment today protects the ownership of guns, probably even fully automatics, all ammo, body armor, and possibly even grenades / grenades launchers.

19 posted on 10/14/2009 9:27:39 AM PDT by apillar
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To: Sasparilla
Indictment:

1 count of conspiring to deprive Americans of their Constitutional rights under the 2nd Amendment.

10 million counts of violating Americans' Constitutional rights under the 2nd Amendment.


Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.

20 posted on 10/14/2009 9:30:57 AM PDT by The Comedian (Evil can only succeed if good men don't point at it and laugh.)
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To: gimme1ibertee
They’ll have to go to neighboring states to get ammo...

Call me cynical, but it's not much of a stretch for those border checkpoints that look for incoming produce to expand their scope to include ammo.

21 posted on 10/14/2009 9:43:23 AM PDT by gundog (And a babe shall lead them. -Sarah 20:12)
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To: Sasparilla

Since the dollar is tanking and gold is increasingly hard to come by, all asset portfolios should include a substantial percentage of investment grade ammunition.


22 posted on 10/14/2009 9:46:39 AM PDT by LoneStarC (1)
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In my experience Remington rimfire ammo is prone to malfunction although not at the 10% rate you cite. I prefer CCI or PMC


23 posted on 10/14/2009 9:53:52 AM PDT by white17x
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To: Sasparilla

And the gun shops on the AZ side of the CA border say “thank you very much”.


24 posted on 10/14/2009 9:55:05 AM PDT by discostu (The Bluebird of Happiness long absent from his life, Ned is visited by the Chicken of Depression)
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To: Doomonyou

BLOAT was never so true.


25 posted on 10/14/2009 10:00:25 AM PDT by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (Depression Countdown: 50... 49... 48...)
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To: gundog
There are "border checkpoints" between states like CO,NV or OR?
I had no idea.
Are you saying that a person who went to visit Aunt Biddy in CO, picked up some ammo online and was heading back to CA would be stopped and checked? Every single person? Now,call me cynical....
26 posted on 10/14/2009 10:06:04 AM PDT by gimme1ibertee (And the people cry "Sarah!Sarah!" And she hears....yes,she hears......)
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To: MHGinTN
Sounds like somewhing wrong with the firing pin not the ammo.

I hope not, it's a brand new rifle. This was the first 60 rounds through it.

27 posted on 10/14/2009 10:08:16 AM PDT by IYAS9YAS (The townhalls were going great until the oPods showed up.)
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To: Joe 6-pack
Have you tried different ammo? I've generally had excellent results with CCI rimfire ammo...

I bought some, but didn't take it to the field. I'll try the other ammo - believe it is CCI, but can't remember for certain. Thanks!

28 posted on 10/14/2009 10:09:12 AM PDT by IYAS9YAS (The townhalls were going great until the oPods showed up.)
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To: calex59
You might try calling Remington and complaining about it.

I may do so. It's both Remington's rifle and their ammo. Both brand new. Thanks!

29 posted on 10/14/2009 10:11:00 AM PDT by IYAS9YAS (The townhalls were going great until the oPods showed up.)
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To: gimme1ibertee
Cali is very fussy about produce entering the State. Could mess with their agriculture if pests got through. Haven't been there in awhile...and God knows there's no reason to go...but I remember going through checkpoints as a kid.

Now, if some enterprising dingbat in the CalGov were to initiate a State Tax on ammo, well, checkpoints at the border might make sense...catch those tax evaders, and use it as an excuse to hire a few hundred stooges on the State payroll.

30 posted on 10/14/2009 10:11:46 AM PDT by gundog (And a babe shall lead them. -Sarah 20:12)
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To: Freedom_Is_Not_Free
BLOAT was never so true.

Big time. I've gotten the go ahead from she who must be obeyed to go shopping, so I'm taking inventory and putting the list together!


31 posted on 10/14/2009 10:12:30 AM PDT by Doomonyou (Let them eat Lead. Bonus tag line: FAIL 246, Obama 0)
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To: IYAS9YAS
...but a screwdriver and hammer, judiciously applied, worked fine.

The old "Okie oil filter wrench" is good for lots of things.

32 posted on 10/14/2009 10:13:30 AM PDT by gundog (And a babe shall lead them. -Sarah 20:12)
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To: white17x
In my experience Remington rimfire ammo is prone to malfunction although not at the 10% rate you cite. I prefer CCI or PMC

This was just the 60 rounds (had 6 misfire), but it did seem high to me. I'm gonna give Remington a call over it.

33 posted on 10/14/2009 10:13:49 AM PDT by IYAS9YAS (The townhalls were going great until the oPods showed up.)
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To: Sasparilla

This just sent ammunition buying to an even greater frenzie.


34 posted on 10/14/2009 10:14:22 AM PDT by CodeToad (If it weren't for physics and law enforcement I'd be unstoppable!)
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To: gundog
The old "Okie oil filter wrench" is good for lots of things.

Yup.

On a side note, the inside of the ammo can still smelled like fresh paint (it was dry, though). From the hungarian date stamp on the box, I think it was made in 1984. Every round worked like a beaut. The bruise on my shoulder is now a nice purple.

35 posted on 10/14/2009 10:16:28 AM PDT by IYAS9YAS (The townhalls were going great until the oPods showed up.)
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To: Sasparilla

What is up with shotgun shells? Went into Wallyworld to get some clay pigeons for my daughter to shoot and they were $10 a box. I have heard some drivel about there being a lead shortage.


36 posted on 10/14/2009 10:20:47 AM PDT by crusty old prospector
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To: gundog

Only problem is,they can’t afford to hire anyone as dogcatcher,let alone border monitor.I can see border checkpoints to the south,but not from the east or north.
However,you are right about enterprising dingbats...Berkeley sure has given the rest of us enough of them! LOL


37 posted on 10/14/2009 10:25:58 AM PDT by gimme1ibertee (And the people cry "Sarah!Sarah!" And she hears....yes,she hears......)
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To: Sasparilla

1,000 rounds occupies about the space of a shoebox.
Criminals would need only about 10 rounds each.
Street markup could be 1000% easy.
So ... a black market dealer can supply 100 customers, making a 90% profit, netting a nice week’s salary with a few hours’ simple work via easily-obtained goods fitting in a briefcase.
How could this legislation/criminalization possibly go wrong?


38 posted on 10/14/2009 10:26:14 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (Mr. Obama, I will not join your plantation.)
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To: IYAS9YAS

Yeah..could also be that,with production of ammo at a fever-pitch to try and keep up with demand, you could have gotten some bad ammo.Same with the rifles/handguns.Anything’s possible when it comes to high-speed production! LOL Hopefully it’s just ammo.


39 posted on 10/14/2009 10:30:19 AM PDT by gimme1ibertee (And the people cry "Sarah!Sarah!" And she hears....yes,she hears......)
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To: crusty old prospector

$23/box of 100 for bird/target loads (several brands - Winchester, Federal for two) at the Wally World here.


40 posted on 10/14/2009 11:22:49 AM PDT by IYAS9YAS (The townhalls were going great until the oPods showed up.)
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To: Sasparilla

This is going to make the upcoming SCOTUS case interesting, because if they find in favor of the 2nd Amendment, this California law will be DOA.


41 posted on 10/14/2009 11:25:46 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: IYAS9YAS

U would bet that the ammo is not generating enough power to eject the spent cartridge and load the next. It happened to me during the first couple hundred rounds. After that it will fire just about anything I put through it.


42 posted on 10/14/2009 11:52:55 AM PDT by Vermont Lt (Ein Volk, Ein Riech, Ein Ein.)
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To: IYAS9YAS

That’s a pretty good dealio ($5.75/box) but still not like the $4.00 from a few years ago. I guess there will be a dove population explosion in Texas this year unless there is an ammunition stimulus plan.


43 posted on 10/14/2009 12:01:07 PM PDT by crusty old prospector
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To: Vermont Lt
U would bet that the ammo is not generating enough power to eject the spent cartridge and load the next.

It's loading, and the firing pin is making contact, because every round that didn't fire had the firing pin mark on it. From a cursory examination, it appeared that pin placement on the misfires was the same as for the spent rounds, but who knows, it could be just that much off to not fire.

I'm going to give Remington a call, though. Not that it bothers me for the money(really, it was about 30 bucks for 500 rounds), but that Remington quality is lacking somewhere.

44 posted on 10/14/2009 12:06:39 PM PDT by IYAS9YAS (The townhalls were going great until the oPods showed up.)
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To: IYAS9YAS

“Is it common to get misfires?”

I am not an expert like many here, but a typical 4H kids 22 practice session, at which between 500 and 1000 rounds of 22 LR will be fired [50 per shooter], there will be zero misfires.


45 posted on 10/14/2009 12:11:49 PM PDT by Stat-boy
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To: Stat-boy
there will be zero misfires.

What brand?

46 posted on 10/14/2009 12:14:10 PM PDT by IYAS9YAS (The townhalls were going great until the oPods showed up.)
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To: IYAS9YAS

“What brand?”

Various. Nothing expensive. It depends on what the club can find for a good price. Lately, Winchester Wildcat.


47 posted on 10/14/2009 12:25:56 PM PDT by Stat-boy
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To: Stat-boy

Thanks!


48 posted on 10/14/2009 12:30:47 PM PDT by IYAS9YAS (The townhalls were going great until the oPods showed up.)
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To: Sasparilla

“Ammo manufacturers...take note”

Time to start writing them.


49 posted on 10/14/2009 3:33:41 PM PDT by Favor Center (Targets up! Hold hard and favor center!)
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To: Sasparilla
In addition to crippling taxes, crime, and draconian gun laws, this is one more reason for Californians to move to gun friendlier Nevada or Arizona.

Bingo...

50 posted on 10/14/2009 4:08:08 PM PDT by Who is John Galt? ("Sometimes I have to break the law in order to meet my management objectives." - Bill Calkins, BLM)
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