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Obama Poised to Cede US Sovereignty, Claims British Lord
Fightin Words USA (blog) ^ | 10/15/09 | Lord Christopher Monckton

Posted on 10/16/2009 7:27:04 AM PDT by little sis

At [the 2009 United Nations Climate Change Conference in] Copenhagen, this December, weeks away, a treaty will be signed. Your president will sign it. Most of the third world countries will sign it, because they think they’re going to get money out of it. Most of the left-wing regime from the European Union will rubber stamp it. Virtually nobody won’t sign it.

I read that treaty. And what it says is this, that a world government is going to be created. The word “government” actually appears as the first of three purposes of the new entity. The second purpose is the transfer of wealth from the countries of the West to third world countries, in satisfication of what is called, coyly, “climate debt” – because we’ve been burning CO2 and they haven’t. We’ve been screwing up the climate and they haven’t. And the third purpose of this new entity, this government, is enforcement.

How many of you think that the word “election” or “democracy” or “vote” or “ballot” occurs anywhere in the 200 pages of that treaty? Quite right, it doesn’t appear once. So, at last, the communists who piled out of the Berlin Wall and into the environmental movement, who took over Greenpeace so that my friends who funded it left within a year, because [the communists] captured it – Now the apotheosis as at hand. They are about to impose a communist world government on the world. You have a president who has very strong sympathies with that point of view. He’s going to sign it. He’ll sign anything. He’s a Nobel Peace Prize [winner]; of course he’ll sign it.

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TOPICS: Conspiracy; Government; Politics
KEYWORDS: constitution; monkton; newworldorder; tinfoil

1 posted on 10/16/2009 7:27:07 AM PDT by little sis
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To: little sis
This goes without saying.

He's an impotent wusp. This is why he is always apologizing. He wants a one world government. He wants the U.S. to be a bit player in an International Court. He has already trashed our Constitution. In fact, he wasn't the first. Obama is finishing the job. I state this with anger ad sadness. I love my country and HATE, absolutely HATE seeing him destroy it and make us into a third world country.

2 posted on 10/16/2009 7:29:53 AM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: little sis

Enemies within.


3 posted on 10/16/2009 7:30:16 AM PDT by ExTexasRedhead
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To: little sis

He can sign it. The Senate has to ratify it and they aren’t going to do so.

Zero isn’t King yet.


4 posted on 10/16/2009 7:30:17 AM PDT by OpusatFR (Those embryos are little humans in progress. Using them for profit is slavery.)
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To: little sis

Last time they tried this, it got 0 votes in the US Senate. Just cause he signs it doesn’t make it law.


5 posted on 10/16/2009 7:30:51 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (The 0 years, Too bad a requirement for adult supervision was not put into the Constitution)
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To: OpusatFR

It would be treason. Impeach.


6 posted on 10/16/2009 7:31:54 AM PDT by esquirette (If we do not know our own worldview, we will accept theirs.)
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To: OpusatFR

Clinton signed all sorts of things but they had no force of law.


7 posted on 10/16/2009 7:33:44 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: OpusatFR

Yep ... those treaty things are much tougher to get around ... 66 votes to ratify.

Carter and Clinton did stupid stuff like this. Heck Clinton even signed onto the Kyoto protocols.

In the USA, the sovereigns are the citizens. They cannot be sold out by the government. We do not have rulers, we have representatives. O-dumb-boy doesn’t get the difference.


8 posted on 10/16/2009 7:33:44 AM PDT by Tarpon (Oba-Mao is a reader, not a leader ...)
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To: little sis

Oh no, they didn’t!

Lock and load. Lock and load.


9 posted on 10/16/2009 7:34:41 AM PDT by Infidel Heather (In God I trust, not the Government.)
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To: OpusatFR
He can sign it. The Senate has to ratify it and they aren’t going to do so.

How many votes does it take to ratify a treaty? If it takes only 51, then this is a done deal.

10 posted on 10/16/2009 7:35:22 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Play the Race Card -- lose the game.)
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To: little sis

this has nothing to do with real science....’climate change’ is a vehicle for globalist one world government


11 posted on 10/16/2009 7:36:07 AM PDT by FreedomProtector
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To: esquirette
Best we can do is neuter him in 13 months.
12 posted on 10/16/2009 7:39:09 AM PDT by east1234 (It's the borders stupid! My new environmentalist inspired tagline: cut, kill, dig and drill)
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To: OpusatFR
The Senate has to ratify it and they aren’t going to do so.

Says who? They have 60 62 at least 64 Dhimmi votes that would love to vote for such a measure.

Traitors all.

13 posted on 10/16/2009 7:40:24 AM PDT by markomalley (Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus)
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To: Tarpon

“Yep ... those treaty things are much tougher to get around ... 66 votes to ratify.”

It could be a headfake anyway. He knows it won’t pass but the dems sign the useless silly thing and then get to pass the blame onto the GOP.

Looks bad for the GOP to the Euroevironazis but good to the average US citizen.

It’s a no-win for the dems either way. It just makes their loopy commie arm happy.


14 posted on 10/16/2009 7:40:45 AM PDT by OpusatFR (Those embryos are little humans in progress. Using them for profit is slavery.)
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To: OpusatFR

“The Senate has to ratify it and they aren’t going to do so.”

They rejected Kyoto because it would cost them. They may go along with this, though, because to be left out of the world governance would be unthinkable.

If this actually sets up a world government (and it de facto does) then some would desperately want to be at the reins, rather than in the traces.


15 posted on 10/16/2009 7:41:08 AM PDT by DBrow (Thank You Al Gore You Saved Earth!)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

Difference is Obama will send them the money. Spreading the wealth is a good thing. And remember Kissinger already said Obama is being groomed to be installed as World Leader.


16 posted on 10/16/2009 7:41:10 AM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: Secret Agent Man

Barry will be a gelding after 2010.


17 posted on 10/16/2009 7:42:32 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: OpusatFR

As far as I know the Constitution is the Supreme Law of Land and even treaties cannot trump it’s provisions.

The preamble even state the Constitution is made for the people.


18 posted on 10/16/2009 7:43:53 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: little sis

HOLY-MOLY AMEN TO THIS GUY!


19 posted on 10/16/2009 7:46:01 AM PDT by Lyantana (A Southern View)
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To: Vendome
As far as I know the Constitution is the Supreme Law of Land and even treaties cannot trump it’s provisions.

You may be surprised to learn that there is plenty of precedent that treaties do indeed trump the Constitution as formal obligations of the Nation. I think that is crap, but still, it is out there.

20 posted on 10/16/2009 7:46:26 AM PDT by John Valentine
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

By 2010, Barry will have gelded the US.


21 posted on 10/16/2009 7:47:54 AM PDT by PIF
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22 posted on 10/16/2009 7:48:26 AM PDT by ButThreeLeftsDo (FR.....Monthly Donors Wanted.)
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To: little sis
Obama Poised to Cede US Sovereignty, Claims British Lord

Yet another ACT of TREASON!

23 posted on 10/16/2009 7:51:20 AM PDT by The Sons of Liberty (FUBO - When 0bama Fails, Freedom Prevails!)
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To: little sis

I really DO feel vulnerable, angry and betrayed in a way which is even more visceral than what I felt when Clinton was President.


24 posted on 10/16/2009 8:04:56 AM PDT by SMARTY ("Stay together, pay the soldiers and forget everything else" Lucius Septimus Severus)
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To: little sis
Interesting. The president could indeed sign this treaty without needing a supermajority in Congress or the "advice and consent of the senate". Under US law, so-called "executive agreements" made by the president with foreign powers are treaties, but are outside the scope of the constitutional treaty power.

A treaty, however, cannot be held as superior to the US Constitution -- case law is clear on that point. In Reid v. Covert [354 U.S. 1 (1957)], Justice Hugo Black, writing for the majority:

Article VI, the Supremacy Clause of the Constitution, declares: "This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; . . . ."

There is nothing in this language which intimates that treaties and laws enacted pursuant to them do not have to comply with the provisions of the Constitution. Nor is there anything in the debates which accompanied the drafting and ratification of the Constitution which even suggests such a result. These debates as well as the history that surrounds the adoption of the treaty provision in Article VI make it clear that the reason treaties were not limited to those made in "pursuance" of the Constitution was so that agreements made by the United States under the Articles of Confederation, including the important peace treaties which concluded the Revolutionary [354 U.S. 1, 17] War, would remain in effect. It would be manifestly contrary to the objectives of those who created the Constitution, as well as those who were responsible for the Bill of Rights - let alone alien to our entire constitutional history and tradition - to construe Article VI as permitting the United States to exercise power under an international agreement without observing constitutional prohibitions. In effect, such construction would permit amendment of that document in a manner not sanctioned by Article V. The prohibitions of the Constitution were designed to apply to all branches of the National Government and they cannot be nullified by the Executive or by the Executive and the Senate combined.

There is nothing new or unique about what we say here. This Court has regularly and uniformly recognized the supremacy of the Constitution over a treaty. For example, in Geofroy v. Riggs, 133 U.S. 258, 267 , it declared: "The treaty power, as expressed in the Constitution, is in terms unlimited except by those restraints which are found in that instrument against the action of the government or of its departments, and those arising from the nature of the government itself and of that of the States. It would not be contended that it extends so far as to authorize what the Constitution forbids, or a change in the character of the [354 U.S. 1, 18] government or in that of one of the States, or a cession of any portion of the territory of the latter, without its consent." [Source]

While it's true that the law says that no treaty can supersede the Constitution, it is also true that in America the law is whatever the gun boys say it is -- and the president controls the gun boys. If the president signs this treaty, he could move to implement it by an Act of Congress; our recourse would be to mount a judicial challenge to that Act, a process that could take years. By the time our case against the federal laws stemming from this treaty reached the USSC, the damage would already be done.

A troubling post. Thanks for sharing it.

25 posted on 10/16/2009 8:06:45 AM PDT by B-Chan (Catholic. Monarchist. Texan. Any questions?)
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To: little sis
Agreed.

We will be trapped without a shot being fired.

Do you suppose, we can say, in a year or two later ooopppss! We changed our mind? NO WAY!

If we do not YELL this from all media sources so people know what is about to happen ... we will all have several families living in our house with us. Like they did in Russia in the time of the Bolsheviks/Lenin taking power.

Chaos, death, starvation for millions followed. Dr Zhivago anyone??

26 posted on 10/16/2009 8:13:19 AM PDT by geologist (The only answer to the troubles of this life is Jesus. A decision we all must make.)
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To: little sis; enough_idiocy; Desdemona; rdl6989; Little Bill; IrishCatholic; Normandy; ...
 


Beam me to Planet Gore !

27 posted on 10/16/2009 10:09:45 AM PDT by steelyourfaith (Limit all U.S. politicians to two terms: One in office and one in prison!)
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To: OpusatFR

That’s what Clinton did ...


28 posted on 10/16/2009 2:37:06 PM PDT by Tarpon (Oba-Mao is a reader, not a leader ...)
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To: little sis

Excellent find. Thank you.


29 posted on 10/16/2009 2:44:31 PM PDT by Churchillspirit (9/11/01...NEVER FORGET.)
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To: little sis

Betrayal.


30 posted on 10/16/2009 9:02:12 PM PDT by Rocky (OBAMA: Succeeding where bin Laden failed.)
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