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Scozzafava is a Conservative Republican (by New York State standards)
fivethirtyeight.com ^ | Andrew Gelman

Posted on 10/26/2009 10:23:42 AM PDT by big black dog

My colleague Boris Shor has performed some analysis (jointly with Nolan McCarty) on the ideological positions of state legislators. The estimates are based on state legislative voting, which might make you wonder how you could possibly compare legislators in one state with those in another. The trick is that some state representatives (for example, Barack Obama) also end up in Congress. There are enough of these overlap cases that you can put legislators from all 50 states on a common scale.

Boris and Nolan most recently applied their method to compare Deirdre Scozzofava, a state assemblywoman running on the Republican ticket in special election in New York's 23rd congressoinal district. Boris writes:

Scozzafava has been assailed from the right for being far too liberal. For example, the libertarian Wall Street Journal this morning wrote, "Democrats want to portray this race as a familiar moderate-conservative GOP split, but the real issue is why Ms. Scozzafava is a Republican at all. She has voted for so many tax increases that the Democrat is attacking her as a tax raiser. She supported the Obama stimulus, and she favors "card check" to make union organizing easier, or at least she did until a recent flip-flop. . ." The conservative National Review writes: "In spite of its having gone for Obama in 2008, the district's history suggests that it is basically conservative; Ms. Scozzafava is basically not. Boy, is she not. . . ."

Actually, though, Boris and Nolan find Scozzafava to be pretty much in the exact center on a national scale:

Her ideological "common space" score is 0.02. These scores, similar but far superior to interest group ratings, put state legislators around the country on the same scale with each other, as well as with members of Congress.

Being in the center nationally puts Scozzafava to the right in New York:

Scozzafava's score puts her in the 58th percentile of her party, which makes her slightly more conservative than the average Republican legislator in Albany, so she's a conservative in her [state] party.


TOPICS: Politics
KEYWORDS: hoffman; ny23; scozzafava

1 posted on 10/26/2009 10:23:42 AM PDT by big black dog
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To: big black dog

No she isn’t/ she is left even for NY.


2 posted on 10/26/2009 10:26:11 AM PDT by GeronL (http://tyrannysentinel.blogspot.com .... I am a rogue nobody. One of millions.)
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To: big black dog
Actually, though, Boris and Nolan find Scozzafava to be pretty much in the exact center on a national scale:

Then their data or their conclusions or both are flawed.

3 posted on 10/26/2009 10:26:17 AM PDT by pgkdan ( I miss Ronald Reagan!)
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To: big black dog

“the libertarian Wall Street Journal..”

Libertarian? The Journal? Lost me right there.


4 posted on 10/26/2009 10:26:18 AM PDT by Pessimist (u)
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To: big black dog

There is a vast difference between NYCity and upstate NY. By upstate NY standards, she is so liberal we are shocked she isn’t living in San Francisco. Hoffman represents an upstate NY Republican better than she does.....heck, even the Democrat candidate does. Which is why it’s possible he can win.


5 posted on 10/26/2009 10:27:32 AM PDT by tioga
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To: big black dog

Utter BS


6 posted on 10/26/2009 10:28:23 AM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: big black dog

any candidate who was on the Board of Planned Parenthood should be defeated,.....

Republican Party, Democratic Party, Indepedent Party, Natural Law Party, Green Party, or Bull Moose Pary


7 posted on 10/26/2009 10:28:35 AM PDT by Talkradio03 (Talkradio03)
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To: big black dog

Of course, if you are a far Left Marixst then Dede looks to be in the middle

If you are intellectually honest, you realize she is quite left of Center for this country.

Dede who is Pro abotion, Pro Card Check, Pro tax and spend IS not the middle.


8 posted on 10/26/2009 10:28:43 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (Note to the GOP: Do not count your votes until they are cast.)
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To: big black dog

What a load... a ‘Conservative Republican’ isn’t a term that varies from state to state, it implies following a core set of principles. She may be a ‘Republican’ by New York standards but not a (capital C)Conservative Republican.

On balance, she doesn’t even lean right. She is right on a couple of issues but left on most other issues.


9 posted on 10/26/2009 10:29:12 AM PDT by mnehring
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To: big black dog

No more Bloomberg republicans, even if we do lose the seat.


10 posted on 10/26/2009 10:29:59 AM PDT by Hacklehead (Liberalism is the art of taking what works, breaking it, and then blaming conservatives.)
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To: big black dog

NY POlitics is pretty screwed up, but, for the most part the citizens fall along NORMAL national lines.
Scuzzywhatshername has been endorse by the DAILY KOS, which makes STALIN look like a MODERATE. Even her DEMOCRAT OPPONENT has called her too LIBERAL.


11 posted on 10/26/2009 10:30:32 AM PDT by gwilhelm56 (I will DIE with Israel BY MY SIDE, rather than LIVE with the CHAINS of ISLAM on my Back!)
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To: big black dog

Dear Ms. Scozzafava:
Thank you for your interest, however,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIiWBPdhPH8
Sincerely,
td


12 posted on 10/26/2009 10:31:19 AM PDT by tumblindice (Furtherhowever, I would drink Sarah's bathwater with a garden hose)
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To: big black dog

Bunch of total CRAP.


13 posted on 10/26/2009 10:32:19 AM PDT by Antoninus (Sarah Palin -- I love her because she freaks out all the right people.)
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To: tioga
She belongs in the Democrat Party. Of course Hoffman is a far better representative of the R Party in upstate New York and almost anywhere in the country.

Hoffman has a REAL shot for the reasons you stated, and is one of the exceptions where I would support an independent over an R candidate.

14 posted on 10/26/2009 10:33:30 AM PDT by TAdams8591 (Lying is not only uncivil but immoral.)
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To: big black dog
Yeah right! I've heard that before. And Rooty Toot Giuliani is a conservative Republican by NYCity standards. Gotcha!

Back in the 1970`s we called the likes of Scozzofava, Giuliani and Romney, Rockefeller Republicans. AKA. liberal Republicans in the mold of Jacob Javits, John Lindsey, George Romney and the original RR, Nelsen "Rocky" Rockefeller himself.

GO Hoffman GO!

15 posted on 10/26/2009 10:42:37 AM PDT by Reagan Man ("In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem.")
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To: big black dog

I think this will come as news to the folks who work at National Review. Just for starters.


16 posted on 10/26/2009 10:42:42 AM PDT by RichInOC (No! BAD Rich! (What'd I say?))
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To: big black dog

Seems rather inexcusable to me.


17 posted on 10/26/2009 10:44:38 AM PDT by Eagle Eye (3%)
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To: big black dog

According to ACORN and the Daily Kooks.


18 posted on 10/26/2009 11:20:58 AM PDT by Carley (OBAMA IS A MALEVOLENT FORCE IN THE WORLD)
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To: big black dog
Her ideological "common space" score is 0.02.

All such mathematical chicanery in matters of liberty and government is mendacious Bravo Sierra. What matters is what the woman SUPPORTS:

- Abortion-on-demand: the murder of millions of little babies each year

- TAKING AWAY the secret ballot in union elections - Perverting the tens-of-centuries-old definition of marriage to include persistent homosexual adultery

- "Community Organizer" groups like ACORN that take federal dollars to increase politicians' power and abet crimes, including prostitution.

They can punch their calculators all they want; we KNOW this woman is a socialist and liberal, and the people in that district don't support the things she does.

GO DOUG HOFFMAN.

19 posted on 10/26/2009 11:30:22 AM PDT by backwoods-engineer (Proud to be an American, where I least I know I'm free!)
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To: big black dog

Frankly, I think this is a lie. I worked in NY for many years, and although figures like Rockefeller were on the left of the party, the average Republican representative in the state legislature is NOT a flaming liberal like this woman. There are still some conservative parts of the state—of which this appears to be one. They are simply outnumbered by the downstate liberals, and by minorities in some of the larger cities.


20 posted on 10/26/2009 11:31:08 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: All

Ingraham and Buchanan discuss the NY23 race (and other races):

http://www.lauraingraham.com/pg/jsp/charts/streamingAudioMaster.jsp?dispid=302&headerDest=L3BnL2pzcC9tZWRpYS9mbGFzaHdlbGNvbWUuanNwP3BpZD03NjkzJnBsYXlsaXN0PXRydWUmY2hhcnR0eXBlPWNoYXJ0JmNoYXJ0SUQ9MzAyJnBsYXlsaXN0U2l6ZT0xMA==


21 posted on 10/26/2009 3:27:54 PM PDT by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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To: Pessimist
Libertarian? The Journal? Lost me right there.

Their most notoriously libertarian position in the past has been re: immigration -- i.e. in favor of open borders.

22 posted on 10/26/2009 10:21:52 PM PDT by Constitutionalist Conservative (Two blogs for the price of none!)
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To: big black dog

Total bullquacky


23 posted on 10/26/2009 10:32:05 PM PDT by firebrand
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