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Ben Stein: Hoffman Lost NY 23 because of "Shockingly Disloyal" Republican - Video
Freedom's Lighthouse ^ | November 4, 2009 | BrianinMO

Posted on 11/04/2009 6:10:20 AM PST by Federalist Patriot

Here is video of Ben Stein last night on Larry King Live where he said Conservative Doug Hoffman lost the New York 23 Congressional Race because the Republican candidate "actively sabotaged" him, and was "shockingly disloyal" in endorsing the Democrat, Bill Owens. Stein was talking about liberal Republican Dede Scozzafava, who was anointed by GOP Party insiders as the candidate, but who eventually withdrew from the race after a revolt by conservatives who refused to support her liberal policies. Stein said Democrats should not be excited about winning a race where Republicans had such a "disloyal" candidate. . . (VIDEO)

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TOPICS: Politics
KEYWORDS: benstein; newyork

1 posted on 11/04/2009 6:10:21 AM PST by Federalist Patriot
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To: Federalist Patriot

And the shockingly disloyal Republicans who STILL voted for Scozzafava...


2 posted on 11/04/2009 6:12:11 AM PST by AnglePark
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To: Federalist Patriot

Way to pick them , Newt.


3 posted on 11/04/2009 6:13:19 AM PST by techcor (I hope Obama succeeds... in becoming a one term president.)
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To: Federalist Patriot

Ben, Ben, Ben

Aren’t you the guy that donated to Al Franken?

Not that I don’t agree with you about 23


4 posted on 11/04/2009 6:15:12 AM PST by Conservateacher
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To: Federalist Patriot

What is disloyal about it? Her party no longer had a candidate in the race once she dropped out. Her liberal philosophy did have a candidate - Owens. She supported him.


5 posted on 11/04/2009 6:15:35 AM PST by posterchild (Endowed by my Creator with certain unalienable rights.)
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To: AnglePark
Does any one know if there was a “straight ticket” voting box for Dems and Rep's on the ballot?

If so my theory is that many of the uniformed voters may have just checked of the Republican box thinking Hoffman was now the Republican candidate. My theory could be completely off but I wouldn't be surprised if this was the case. There are way too many people, on both sides, that really have no idea what/who they are voting for.

6 posted on 11/04/2009 6:18:12 AM PST by A Texan (Oderint dum metuant)
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To: Federalist Patriot

The Republicans will now have to come up with a real conservative to win the election next year since the Democrat will only be there for one year.


7 posted on 11/04/2009 6:20:38 AM PST by KeyLargo
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To: A Texan

And do they have mail in voting. How many ballots were sent prior to Scozza dropping out?


8 posted on 11/04/2009 6:20:53 AM PST by Conservateacher
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To: Federalist Patriot

Plus, Hoffman came across (to me) as somewhat weak and timid. He didn’t exude a lot of confidence. A stronger conservative personality would have beaten Owens easily. IMHO.


9 posted on 11/04/2009 6:21:25 AM PST by TruthBeforeAll (To liberals if something is a complete and utter disaster, it's because there's not enough of it.)
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To: KeyLargo

I hope Hoffman runs again after one year


10 posted on 11/04/2009 6:22:19 AM PST by Mr. K (Deathly afraid one of my typos becomes a freeper catchphrase...I'm series!)
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To: Federalist Patriot

She proved one more point and that is the election run was all about her and not serving the constituents.


11 posted on 11/04/2009 6:22:38 AM PST by RJS1950 (The democrats are the "enemies foreign and domestic" cited in the federal oath)
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To: Federalist Patriot

The republican who went over to the Obama ain. He was liberal, no? So why did wveryone think this was a conservative district?


12 posted on 11/04/2009 6:23:24 AM PST by Hildy
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To: RJS1950

Let’s hope she serves the larger good of waking up Republicans/Conservatives to how far the Left have infiltrated the stupid party.


13 posted on 11/04/2009 6:24:23 AM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: TruthBeforeAll
How weak and timid can you be if you did the one thing that all the other conservatives in NY23 did not do -- he ran.

Style over substance doesn't make a good candidate.

14 posted on 11/04/2009 6:24:39 AM PST by carton253 (Ask me about Throw Away the Scabbard - a Civil War alternate history.)
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To: Federalist Patriot


In 1930, the Republican-controlled House of Representatives, in an effort to alleviate the effects of the... Anyone? Anyone?... the Great Depression, passed the... Anyone? Anyone? The tariff bill? The Hawley-Smoot Tariff Act? Which, anyone? Raised or lowered?... raised tariffs, in an effort to collect more revenue for the federal government. Did it work? Anyone? Anyone know the effects? It did not work, and the United States sank deeper into the Great Depression. Today we have a similar debate over this. Anyone know what this is? Class? Anyone? Anyone? Anyone seen this before? The Laffer Curve. Anyone know what this says? It says that at this point on the revenue curve, you will get exactly the same amount of revenue as at this point. This is very controversial. Does anyone know what Vice President Bush called this in 1980? Anyone? Something-d-o-o economics. "Voodoo" economics.

Ed Rooney: I did not achieve this position in life by having some snot-nosed punk leave my cheese out in the wind.

Cameron: [singing] When Cameron was in Egypt's land...?let my Cameron go!"

Cameron: Ferris Bueller, you're my hero.

Economics Teacher: Bueller?... Bueller?... Bueller?

15 posted on 11/04/2009 6:24:43 AM PST by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: techcor

Ben Stein’s with us... that’s what’s important.


16 posted on 11/04/2009 6:24:47 AM PST by GOPJ (When I was a child Halloween wasn't a celebration of evil - but a celebration of standing up to evil)
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To: Federalist Patriot

Scozzafava played the turncoat role to perfection. She took the importuning of Rahm Emanuel and Chuckie Schumer. She whined about the “hate” and “lies” that were directed at her. Strange, the only party I know that routinely engages in hate and lies is the Democratic Party. And she let herself be used for robocalls endorsing the Democratic candidate. And we are supposed to believe that this woman was a Republican? Odd, she seems to find the Democratic Party awfully congenial.


17 posted on 11/04/2009 6:24:58 AM PST by popdonnelly (Yes, we disagree - no, we won't shut up - no, we won't quit.)
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To: AnglePark

Ben Stein’s with us... that’s what’s important.


18 posted on 11/04/2009 6:25:10 AM PST by GOPJ (When I was a child Halloween wasn't a celebration of evil - but a celebration of standing up to evil)
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To: Federalist Patriot

It was the uninformed republicans who gave Scazza over five thousand votes.

Truthfully tho, she only dropped out a week ago. Her name was on the ballot Absentees no doubt voted for her and useful idiots made up the rest.

She was no repub and most voters hardly knew a thing about Hoffman.

He did quite well for only being promoted for about ten days.


19 posted on 11/04/2009 6:26:12 AM PST by Carley (OBAMA IS A MALEVOLENT FORCE IN THE WORLD)
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To: carton253

AMEN!!!!!! I so agree!!! He didn’t show “ class”... but I for one am SICK OF CLASS!!! I want substance!


20 posted on 11/04/2009 6:29:13 AM PST by pollywog (staying...... " Under His Wings" Psalm 91:4)
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To: AnglePark
And the shockingly disloyal Republicans who STILL voted for Scozzafava...

Yeah that's right and something few are talking about.

I thought this was a rock-ribbed conservative district?

After finding out how far to the left she was and voting for her would have been bad enough, but when she became a traitorous turncoat and not only endorsed Owens but attacked Doug and these idiots STILL voted for her?

I contributed (as did many freepers) to Doug's campaign, but I'm going to have to know more about this whole deal before I open my wallet next year to help these yahooos.

21 posted on 11/04/2009 6:29:50 AM PST by Conservative Vermont Vet ((One of ONLY 37 Conservatives in the People's Republic of Vermont. Socialists and Progressives All))
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To: Federalist Patriot

Dede is a typical RINO liberal in the best tradition of Christie Toad Witless. If she can’t win, she will work her butt off to make sure the conservative loses.


22 posted on 11/04/2009 6:32:40 AM PST by Antoninus (The RNC's dream ticket: Romney / Scozzafava 2012)
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To: TruthBeforeAll

I agree...Hoffman may be a fine fellow but his lack of oomph in his presentation of self (LOL) was disappointing.

I think if he could have projected a little ‘edge’ he would have fared better.


23 posted on 11/04/2009 6:33:20 AM PST by Dudoight
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To: Federalist Patriot; Mojave

Of course, Ben Stein endorsed Al Franken, so I’m not sure he’s the one to make the charge of “disloyal”.

But DeDe was certainly disloyal. She was chosen as the Republican nominee. The officials in the party supported her throughout the process. They sent her workers to help, they sent her almost a million dollars.

That apparently wasn’t enough for her to get the support of the voters in the district. But that’s how it goes. And instead of fighting for the Republican Party til the end, she QUIT at the last minute, when it would do the most damage, and then endorsed the Democrat, violating the oath she took when she ran for our nomination to support the eventual nominee (which in this case was HER).

So to that freeper who argued that Hoffman didn’t deserve support because he violated his pledge to support the republican nominee, what does it mean that the actual republican nominee violated HER pledge to support the republican nominee?


24 posted on 11/04/2009 6:33:33 AM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: A Texan

Hoffman lost because DeDe didn’t get ENOUGH votes. Too many liberals followed her endorsement and voted for Owens, while the die-hard republicans still voted for her.

If she had not dropped out, she would have siphoned off enough votes from Owens for Hoffman to win the race.


25 posted on 11/04/2009 6:34:47 AM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Dudoight
Oh, wait... Hoffman ran. Yet, even though every other conservative in the 23NY sat home and did nothing, he still wasn't good enough for you. He lacked style.

I fear for the republic.

26 posted on 11/04/2009 6:44:25 AM PST by carton253 (Ask me about Throw Away the Scabbard - a Civil War alternate history.)
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To: Federalist Patriot

The people of District 23 voted for liberalism, with or without Scozzafava.


27 posted on 11/04/2009 6:45:15 AM PST by marvlus
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To: marvlus

And could this reality be the reason the local GOP chose a more liberal member of the party.


28 posted on 11/04/2009 6:48:16 AM PST by carton253 (Ask me about Throw Away the Scabbard - a Civil War alternate history.)
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To: CharlesWayneCT

“while the die-hard republicans still voted for her.”

Which tells me that die-hard republicans are not as smart as they claim to be - in other words dumber than a box of rocks. Third party NOW!


29 posted on 11/04/2009 6:52:09 AM PST by Cyclone59 (I ROCK, Guitar Hero said so........)
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To: Federalist Patriot

Younger and better-looking versions of this woman routinely make hundreds of dollars per night - I’ll bet Dede’s doing better than that for her efforts here!

In politics, there’s no whore like an old whore.


30 posted on 11/04/2009 6:56:41 AM PST by headsonpikes (Genocide is the highest sacrament of socialism - "Who-whom?")
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To: Cyclone59

A lot of those votes could have been cast early, or been absentee. And certainly there were a few percent who just show up, don’t know what is happening, and “just vote republican”.


31 posted on 11/04/2009 7:03:46 AM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Mr. K

I hope he runs in his home district.


32 posted on 11/04/2009 7:05:52 AM PST by tioga ( November 6, 2012 - Cannot come soon enough.)
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To: Cyclone59

And I think this race proves the folly of pushing a 3rd party. Here we had an established 3rd party, with a candidate supported by tons of money and national figures, AND a major party candidate who suspended her campaign, and we still couldn’t get the 3rd-party win.

3rd-party is a good way to get rid of those who are nominally on your side but who you don’t think are good enough; it’s unlikely to actually win you an election, until the NEXT election (except THAT election will be “payback” time where the other side might run 3rd-party and hurt you, so it can take several cycles).

Look, Newt was dead wrong in this election because DeDe was a traitor, as was proven by her actions. But in general, he was right that we won’t defeat the democrats if we adopt a 3rd-party strategy.


33 posted on 11/04/2009 7:06:24 AM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Federalist Patriot
Scozzafava and others like her have no business in the GOP in the first place, they are like enemy agents.

We absolutely must have some standard in the party, some lines not to cross. Scozzafave is almost 180 degrees away from me politically, that's just too much "big tent". If someone is working against you 80% of the time they aren't worth keeping for the 20% support.

34 posted on 11/04/2009 7:10:10 AM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (THE SECOND AMENDMENT, A MATTER OF FACT, NOT A MATTER OF OPINION)
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To: CharlesWayneCT
The 3rd party thing worked for Lieberman. But the dynamics of that were completely different.

When party bosses “chairmen” pick a liberal Republican for a fairly conservative congressional district that hadn't elected a democrat in AGES; something simply MUST be done to show them that someone like Scuzzyfava is simply unpalatable to conservatives (i.e. the Republican base).

35 posted on 11/04/2009 7:10:46 AM PST by allmendream (Wealth is EARNED not distributed, so how could it be RE-distributed?)
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To: A Texan

I believe this may also be the home of 10th Mountain Division at Fort Drum , NY.
So how many absentee military ballots were sent in a month ago voting for the “republican canidate” ?


36 posted on 11/04/2009 7:21:54 AM PST by woodbutcher1963
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To: carton253

“Oh, wait... Hoffman ran. Yet, even though every other conservative in the 23NY sat home and did nothing, he still wasn’t good enough for you. He lacked style.

I fear for the republic”

Good gravy sakes!

I certainly did not mean to get you upset. I was hoping that he WOULD win. I think my analysis was meant to understand why he didn’t win.

He certainly didn’t fail in the the tenets of conservatism...there had to be another reason. He was personally definitely hesitant and tentative in his news interviews, etc.

I don’t live in NY...if I did and could vote in the 23rd he would have had my vote.

So...why do you think he lost?


37 posted on 11/04/2009 7:27:09 AM PST by Dudoight
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To: allmendream

It worked there because the Republican candidate was a throw-away candidate, since we assumed Lieberman would be the Democrat and would be unbeatable.

If the republicans had had a credible candidate (like the Governor), Lieberman’s move would likely have given the republicans the seat.

Instead, the republican party pretty much abandoned THEIR candidate and threw their support to Lieberman, since we actually respected our troops and wanted to protect them MORE than we wanted to try to win an election.


38 posted on 11/04/2009 7:40:03 AM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: AnglePark

There is nothing shocking about the disloyality of Rinos. It would be shocking if they were loyal to Republican ideals and values.


39 posted on 11/04/2009 7:52:08 AM PST by SaraJohnson
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To: Dudoight
You didn't upset me...

I do fear for the republic because your "analysis" of not stylish enough is an old chestnut that gets trotted out on FR with frequency. I find it so frustrating that some FReepers (not you) will agree that a candidate is conservative enough... but, unfortunately, not stylish enough to capture their vote.

If the tea parties lead to ordinary people running, then the electorate is going to have to lose their "Hollywood" vision of the perfect candidate and vote for the politician, regardless of the glibness quotient, that agrees with them.

Why did Hoffman lose? My opinion - because the NY23 is a left leaning district at heart. That is why the local GOP party picked a left leaning candidate. When she dropped out, the voters who were truly left leaning voted for the Democrat.

I would love nothing more than 435 members of the House of Representatives to be true conservatives. That is not going to happen. Sometimes (gasp), some districts may need a moderate or left-leaning Republican to run in order to win.

But then again, I'm of the opinion that a Repubican can be a conservative, or a moderate, or more liberal. A conservative and Republican do not equal the same.

40 posted on 11/04/2009 9:40:33 AM PST by carton253 (Ask me about Throw Away the Scabbard - a Civil War alternate history.)
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To: carton253

“But then again, I’m of the opinion that a Repubican can be a conservative, or a moderate, or more liberal. A conservative and Republican do not equal the same.”

I with you there. I call myself a conservative independent.

A republican has held that seat (23rd NY district)since 1867. I can’t imagine why Hoffman lost....other than what I said. He did get a fairly good amount of votes, it wasn’t an embarassment.


41 posted on 11/04/2009 5:03:25 PM PST by Dudoight
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To: CharlesWayneCT
So to that freeper who argued that Hoffman didn’t deserve support because he violated his pledge to support the republican nominee, what does it mean that the actual republican nominee violated HER pledge to support the republican nominee?

Owens owes Doug and Dede.

42 posted on 11/04/2009 6:05:11 PM PST by Mojave (Ignorant and stoned - Obama's natural constituency.)
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