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Was defending and propping up Carrie Prejean a big mistake?
The Idiocratic ^ | 11/5/2009 | Nathan Hale

Posted on 11/05/2009 5:03:33 AM PST by robertvance

So – my fellow conservatives – Was defending Carrie Prejean worth it or did we prop her up on a pedestal a little too soon? Was it really a good idea to see her as our poster girl just because we salivated over a few sentences that she uttered at a beauty pageant?

We should have known better using a beauty queen to try to get our message across. What were we thinking?

And yes, I am sure that we can thank our good friends on the left for digging up these uncomplimentary images and video about Prejean.

That’s what they do best.

But if the allegations are true, then Prejean is a hypocrite and we all look like idiots.

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TOPICS: Chit/Chat; Miscellaneous; Politics; Society
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1 posted on 11/05/2009 5:03:34 AM PST by robertvance
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To: robertvance

Not really. She has right to her views despite what she did on camera. I really would like to see the video to make a final judgment.


2 posted on 11/05/2009 5:05:55 AM PST by Perdogg (Sarah Palin-Jim DeMint 2012 - Liz Cheney for Sec of State - Duncan Hunter SecDef)
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To: robertvance

I rather look like an idiot for supporting Prejean when be an idiot for supporting Obama.

But that’s just me.


3 posted on 11/05/2009 5:06:25 AM PST by mom4melody
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To: robertvance
We should have known better using a beauty queen to try to get our message across.

We did?

Thought that was John Edwards.

4 posted on 11/05/2009 5:07:46 AM PST by This_far (Mandatory insurance! I thought it was about health care?)
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To: robertvance
First, we all are hypocrites. Second, we don’t know the details surrounding the tape. If someone else secretly taped her, she is the victim in this.
5 posted on 11/05/2009 5:08:03 AM PST by mnehring
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To: robertvance

I think we need to see the tape, before deciding for ourselves. So far, these are just baseless allegations, and we need to see the evidence. :p


6 posted on 11/05/2009 5:08:37 AM PST by KoRn (Department of Homeland Security, Certified - "Right Wing Extremist")
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To: mnehring
That's why we need to see the tape to make final judgment
7 posted on 11/05/2009 5:08:45 AM PST by Perdogg (Sarah Palin-Jim DeMint 2012 - Liz Cheney for Sec of State - Duncan Hunter SecDef)
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To: robertvance

I don’t get the point of this article.

We didn’t defend Prejean because she was purity personified.

We defended Prejean - and still defend her - because she answered a question on TV without genuflecting to the Gay Baal.

She literally spoke truth to power and the Liberal wolfpack want her to die. I couldn’t care less that she has some ‘glamor shots’.


8 posted on 11/05/2009 5:09:29 AM PST by agere_contra
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To: mom4melody

I thought support for her was as much about her being a victim of PC ridicule and intolerance than what she actually said.

Many of us weren’t in support of her personally but were fed up with anyone that speaks their opinion being ridiculed for having a point of view and that point of view being damaging to them professionally.

We’re told time and time again that us refusing to go to movies, buy albums or watch TV shows with idiot liberal performers is censorship. Well for once, we got to turn things around.

I never thought of her as someone worth defending personally yet was entirely in favor of throwing back the liberal stance on “censorship” being applied as much to those that they disagreed with as those they agreed with.


9 posted on 11/05/2009 5:12:16 AM PST by PittsburghAfterDark
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To: Perdogg
"...did we prop her up on a pedestal a little too soon? ..."

I think a lot of us males here put her up on a pedestal just so we could scope out her butt.

"...I really would like to see the video to make a final judgment..."

As do I, but it had little to do with "judgement"!

I understand it was a solo act wherein she pleasured herself. That's just wrong, wrong, wrong. But yeah, I'd really like to see the video, simply for scientific and archival purposes.

10 posted on 11/05/2009 5:12:32 AM PST by I Buried My Guns (Buy Lots Of Ammo Today)
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To: agere_contra; robertvance

agere_contra

I agree 100% with your post.


11 posted on 11/05/2009 5:12:32 AM PST by PeteB570 (NRA - Life member and Black Rifle owner)
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To: robertvance
Irrelevant.
12 posted on 11/05/2009 5:13:07 AM PST by verity (Obama Lies)
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To: agere_contra

She did more than glamour shots. Apparently there is a sex video of her, only she’s by herself.


13 posted on 11/05/2009 5:13:15 AM PST by Perdogg (Sarah Palin-Jim DeMint 2012 - Liz Cheney for Sec of State - Duncan Hunter SecDef)
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To: robertvance

Learn to judge people without you quick gun attitude. The left is good a picking on people with weak evidence.


14 posted on 11/05/2009 5:14:15 AM PST by bmwcyle (We need more Joe Wilson's. OBAMA is ACORN ACORN is OBAMA)
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To: robertvance

Dig enough and you’ll find dirt on everyone. Goodness knows, beauty pageant judge Mario Armando Lavandeira aka Perez Hilton (a Paris Hilton wannabe) has so much dirt you’d need a hazmat suit.


15 posted on 11/05/2009 5:15:22 AM PST by bgill (The framers of the US Constitution established an entire federal government in 18 pages.)
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To: robertvance

What do these other things have to do with fact she was slammed for speaking against same sex marriage? This is the left’s way of discrediting her story. This is playing right into the other side. All the other women in this competition who were on the side of same sex marriage are angels. They get a pass. In summary not guilty


16 posted on 11/05/2009 5:15:36 AM PST by grb
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To: robertvance

I don’t think it was a mistake. I’m betting every Christian has bad stuff in their past that they regret doing. I know I do. An essential part of Christianity is repenting of the sinful behavior the past. Christians sin too. Sometimes it may be hypocrisy if a person claims Christ and isn’t his. But more often it’s weakness.


17 posted on 11/05/2009 5:16:33 AM PST by DouglasKC
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To: robertvance

Don’t kill the messenger.

Maybe we should of defended Perez Hilton?? Hmmmm?


18 posted on 11/05/2009 5:18:00 AM PST by wolfcreek (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lsd7DGqVSIc)
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To: bgill
...Dig enough and you’ll find dirt on everyone...

Exactly. The only perfect man last walked this Earth over two thousand years ago and there ain't never been a perfect woman.

19 posted on 11/05/2009 5:18:41 AM PST by FReepaholic (Give me ambiguity or give me something else!)
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To: robertvance
Was defending and propping up Carrie Prejean a big mistake?

No. Not at all. She had a right to express herself freely. She did nothing wrong.

Political correctness was designed to silence people from speaking out against the liberal agenda. If you notice, only the left wing special interest groups are "protected" by it. The same thing applies to hate crimes. Do they protect ANY member of a RIGHT wing group? No, they don't.

Like Carrie, people need to speak out loud and clear while they still can, or they'll forever be holding their tongues.

Like Carrie, SPEAK UP!

20 posted on 11/05/2009 5:19:02 AM PST by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: robertvance

If she made the video AFTER the beauty pageant, then I’d have to believe she’s a hypocrite. (Not that she’s the Lone Ranger in that department, either.)

If she made it BEFORE, then I’ll give her the benefit of the doubt and believe she had a change of heart, and asked for and received forgiveness. In that case, it’s between her and God.

And, regardless of her actions, her statements and her behavior since the pageant have been RIGHT. That counts for something.


21 posted on 11/05/2009 5:20:05 AM PST by Nervous Tick (Stop dissing drunken sailors! At least they spend their OWN money.)
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To: wolfcreek
Maybe we should of defended Perez Hilton?? Hmmmm?

So she made a "mistake" earlier in her life (remember Vanessa Williams?) and made some kind of HAWWWWWWT video. Just on the basis of aesthetics she should be supported against Perez Hilton.
22 posted on 11/05/2009 5:22:50 AM PST by aruanan
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To: Perdogg
I really would like to see the video to make a final judgment.

I never took you for a voyeur, Perdog.

23 posted on 11/05/2009 5:23:21 AM PST by Non-Sequitur (.)
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To: Perdogg
I understand you support her too, I just have to get this off my chest:

Prejean could have starred in multiple raunchy videos with Newt Gingrich and my position would be: so what?

She has a right to say that homosexual marriage is wrong, even if she was a Clinton mistress or the madame of a Congressional brothel, or < insert depraved job title here >

Very recent case in point - the head of Planned Parenthood just came out as saying abortion is wrong. Did she have a right to say that? God yes!

24 posted on 11/05/2009 5:24:03 AM PST by agere_contra
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To: robertvance
But if the allegations are true, then Prejean is a hypocrite and we all look like idiots.

If, at the same time she was promoting healthy Christian sexuality, she was filming videos of Baal-worshipping XXX porn, then she would be guilty of hypocrisy.
25 posted on 11/05/2009 5:27:19 AM PST by aruanan
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To: Non-Sequitur

You know I am joking, little morning humor.


26 posted on 11/05/2009 5:27:35 AM PST by Perdogg (Sarah Palin-Jim DeMint 2012 - Liz Cheney for Sec of State - Duncan Hunter SecDef)
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To: robertvance

Talk of lousy journalism.... I should’ve known better than to go to page titled “The Idiocratic”.

Well named though.


27 posted on 11/05/2009 5:30:04 AM PST by onedoug
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To: robertvance

Nothing the libtards do can change the fact that in that one instant she spoke the truth of her convictions and her star shown bright.


28 posted on 11/05/2009 5:31:46 AM PST by ontap
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To: robertvance

She has human frailties so it is now time for all Conservatives to throw her under the bus!

If no busses are available, just throw rocks!!

Quickly now, STONE HER before she gets away!


29 posted on 11/05/2009 5:32:03 AM PST by Eagle Eye (3%)
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To: Perdogg
And I would hope that you would know that I am, too. I've got to figure out how to include one of those smiley emoticons when I make jokes like that.

We may not agree on much but that doesn't mean I don't respect you.

30 posted on 11/05/2009 5:32:17 AM PST by Non-Sequitur (.)
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To: Perdogg
And I would hope that you would know that I am, too. I've got to figure out how to include one of those smiley emoticons when I make jokes like that.

We may not agree on much but that doesn't mean I don't respect you.

31 posted on 11/05/2009 5:32:31 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: Eagle Eye

Good one.


32 posted on 11/05/2009 5:35:54 AM PST by stevio (Crunchy Con - God, guns, guts, and organically grown crunchy nuts.)
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To: robertvance

Let me get this straight, if you are a republican you are not allowed to have sex at all or you are a hypocrite, is that it? If someone were to video tape you then that makes you a bad person.


33 posted on 11/05/2009 5:36:09 AM PST by McGavin999
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To: Non-Sequitur

I like using the three characters :0) for those all-important smiles, the 0 in the middle being a big nose.

I hope the Admins never actually enable full emoticons though - DU is just rank with those things :0(


34 posted on 11/05/2009 5:37:24 AM PST by agere_contra
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To: aruanan; robertvance

I seen her pics. Nothing more than your average modeling pics with a little breast flashing. OMG! (haven’t seen any sex tape)

IMO, this video more fairly represents this young lady.

http://www.mofopolitics.com/2009/09/19/video-carrie-prejean-speech-at-values-voters-summit-excerpts-91809/


35 posted on 11/05/2009 5:39:32 AM PST by wolfcreek (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lsd7DGqVSIc)
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To: robertvance

We didn’t defend her as our spokesperson - we defended her right to free speech - her right to answer a question honestly when asked, during a beauty pageant.

I think this whole fiasco is going to put the last coffin nails in beauty pageants, it has exposed them as being completely & utterly corrupted.

I don’t know what you are alluding to about Ms. Prejean - I don’t think you can expect much out of a woman who parades around in the skimpiest of bikinis in terms of modesty or anything else. But I do defend her right to free speech.

Of course, that’s the shining hallmark of liberals - when the heat gets too hot on them, they pull up all sorts of diversions. Things are heating up, aren’t they?


36 posted on 11/05/2009 5:45:38 AM PST by alicewonders (Sarah Palin is the face of America's future.)
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To: Non-Sequitur

we probably agree on more than you might think.


37 posted on 11/05/2009 5:47:01 AM PST by Perdogg (Sarah Palin-Jim DeMint 2012 - Liz Cheney for Sec of State - Duncan Hunter SecDef)
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To: robertvance
So if I sit on a jury, I should decide the case on what the defendant has done in the past and not the facts of this case? Ridiculous.
38 posted on 11/05/2009 5:51:50 AM PST by TWfromTEXAS (Life is the one choice that pro choicers will not support.)
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To: mnehring
Yep! The circumstances surrounding the creation if the tape, or should I say alleged tape, are ket. Suggest we.reserve judgement till then.

As to the author's point concerning the wisdom of supporting a beauty queen: conservatives find so little affirmation from the popular culture that when we do get hint of it we react like a drowning man getting that dies gasp of air on bobbing to the surface.

39 posted on 11/05/2009 5:53:55 AM PST by Tallguy ("The sh- t's chess, it ain't checkers!" -- Alonzo (Denzel Washington) in "Training Day")
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To: robertvance
BLATANT TROLLING FOR BLOG HITS PING.
40 posted on 11/05/2009 5:55:55 AM PST by Pistolshot (Brevity: Saying a lot, while saying very little.)
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To: robertvance

Can’t tell until I see the tape.


41 posted on 11/05/2009 5:57:08 AM PST by Wolfie
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To: robertvance
If a murderer says murder is wrong, is his message somehow invalidated because he is the one who said it?

Truth is truth, and if Charles Manson came out and said gay marriage is wrong, I'd have to agree with him, in spite of who he is.

Only liberals measure the truth of a statement by who's saying it.

42 posted on 11/05/2009 6:00:20 AM PST by Trailerpark Badass (Happiness is a choice!)
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To: robertvance

1. The video doesn’t exist. The TMZ is known for lying. If they had it, they would have posted it.

2. Look up ad hominem tu quoque, it’s a fallacy. The fact that it is a favorite tactic in our day and age doesn’t make it any less of a fallacy.


43 posted on 11/05/2009 6:05:14 AM PST by freedomwarrior998
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To: robertvance

Hypocrite? Did she marry a girl?

They should never have asked the question at the pageant. Apparently you can lose your job for having the wrong opinion.


44 posted on 11/05/2009 6:10:16 AM PST by GeronL (http://tyrannysentinel.blogspot.com .... I am a rogue nobody. One of millions.)
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To: agere_contra; robertvance
I don’t get the point of this article.

The point is that conservatives are chumped by the Left, once again.

I guess some conservatives STILL don't recognize the dead hand of Saul Alinsky even as it reaches from the grave to wrap Carrie Prejean in its foul, vile grip.

As you wrote, Prejean didn't "genuflect to the Gay Baal", and so she must be destroyed.

Now, if any of the female darlings of the Left had had the same thing happen to them, the Left would mobilize its Great Big Excuse Machine to defend their actions to the death.

I mean, look at ACORN. We have them on TAPE advising a prostitute and a pimp about extracting the most mileage from child sex slaves. Has ACORN been chased from the public arena? No way.

I'm just going to pull an Obamao on this one. Since Obamao didn't watch the Tuesday elections, they didn't happen.

Since I don't have TeeVee, I can't see any of the Left's smears and hitpieces on Carrie Prejean. I refuse to read any of the Left's online slander of Carrie Prejean.

Problem solved.

Guys like me are EXACTLY why Reichsfuhrer Cass Sunstein wants to control information on the Interweb. :-)

45 posted on 11/05/2009 6:13:25 AM PST by an amused spectator (The money vampires fear garlands of lead & brass)
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To: grb

I just saw a CNN story say she “declared her opposition to same sex marriage” at the pageant.

She was asked the question. She gave her views that marriage was between a man and a woman.

But apparently to the media she hijacked the show and for no reason grabbed the mic and started verbally attacking gays.


46 posted on 11/05/2009 6:14:03 AM PST by GeronL (http://tyrannysentinel.blogspot.com .... I am a rogue nobody. One of millions.)
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To: robertvance
She's a hypocrite? How is it being hypocritical to say you are for traditional marriage and having a tape of yourself masturbating? Not the brightest move to film yourself in sex acts, but how the hell does that make her a hypocrite?
47 posted on 11/05/2009 6:15:36 AM PST by HamiltonJay
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To: Trailerpark Badass
Only liberals measure the truth of a statement by who's saying it.

Only liberals measure the truth of an ENEMY'S statement by who's saying it.

Remember the child sex slavers and tax evaders of ACORN...

48 posted on 11/05/2009 6:15:58 AM PST by an amused spectator (The money vampires fear garlands of lead & brass)
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To: robertvance

Nathan Hale is a chump for falling for this Alinsky crap.


49 posted on 11/05/2009 6:16:50 AM PST by an amused spectator (The money vampires fear garlands of lead & brass)
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To: freedomwarrior998

I am thinking......WHAT TAPE? Is there a tape? Has anyone SEEN this supposed tape? Where is the evidence that there is such a tape? Everyone jumping on the bandwagon to trash her when there has been NO EVIDENCE. Let’s wait to see this tape, IF it even EXISTS.


50 posted on 11/05/2009 6:20:03 AM PST by faucetman (Just the facts ma'am, just the facts)
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