The latest from Leo Donofrio.
Hawaii Update: DoH Confirms They Maintain A Birth Record For Obama Dated From August 1961
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Posted on 11/05/2009 10:28:00 AM PST by circumbendibus
After various responses from the DoH giving unclear answers to UIPA requests which exclusively pertained to birth documents for Obama dating back to August 1961 – specifically documents which caused his birth to have been “Filed by Registrar August 8, 1961″ – I requested assistance from the OIP. Their interpretation of the DoH response was that of a denial of access. But the OIP also issued guidance as to how I could properly refine my request.
I took the OIP advice and issued a 6th UIPA request asking for the same documents and limiting any possible wiggle room.
And to this request I recently received a clear denial of access from the DoH by way of an official OIP form. I also received clear response forms from the DoH as to my previous UIPA requests.
The form I received is the same posted at the OIP web site. The box which says “denied in its entirety” was checked.
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PING!
bkmrk
And the next step as Donofrio says is to appeal the DoH’s decision of the denial of Obama birth record(s) that are dated NLT 10th August, 1961.
Go Donofrio.
Right, based on the fact that a public official, publicly stated Barry was a Natural Born Citizen born in America. The information that was used to make that “determination”, by HI law, must be released as it’s no longer private...since it’s been made public.
He should ask if they have a “Birth Record” for half-sister Maya, generally agreed to have been born in Indonesia.
I don’t know about you guys, but I’ve never harbored any doubts that Obamao was born. I believe his grandmother, who claims to have been present at the event. Obamao was born, and Hawaii has a record of that fact. Frankly, I’d believe Obamao was born, even if Hawaii didn’t have a record of it. What’s the big deal? Let the world see the glorious proof of the chosen one’s birth.
Are there any grass roots efforts anywhere to force the states to determine what is acceptable proof of natural citizenship when applying for a place on the ballot.
While I think the whole birther thing is beating a dead horse, I was stunned at the lack of procedures in most states to confirm that the candidates are eligible based on the rules in state and federal constitutions.
Just because, “I Say so” is not a really good plan. And one of my main concerns is that when you find something wrong, a key step is to make sure it doesn’t happen again.
The latest from Leo Donofrio.
Hawaii Update: DoH Confirms They Maintain A Birth Record For Obama Dated From August 1961
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Consider this:
Perhaps the claimed August birthdate, which has never been verified, is actually when birth data was filed with the state of Hawaii, perhaps for a child already a few months old.
We have no evidence whatsoever that Stanley’s baby wasn’t born during her missing months (January through July, 1961). We don’t know for sure who the father was, where the Dunhams may have hidden their wayward daughter, or where the baby was born. Why should we trust his claimed date of birth?
Perhaps the August, 1961, date is stated to keep true records from the true birthplace from being found.
For all we know, Stanley Ann got pregnant during her Chicago summer in 1960 and gave birth who-knows-where the following spring, then registered the birth in Hawaii in August.
So Hawaii has something on file from August, 1961. Big deal. Doesn’t tell much more than we already knew. What we don’t know is what he is hiding.
Just suggesting that the August, 1961 date may be a red herring.
“According to OIP administrative rules and guidance from OIP staff attorney Linden Joesting (originally provided to Terri K), the denial of access box can only be checked when the agency does in fact maintain the requested record.” Since we have caught the DoH in lies before, I find it astonishing that Leo is so naive as to believe the DoH has followed strictly their own laws. The title of this thread is a misnomer.
The Man With No Past has control of our military.
We know nothing about him other than what he’s chosen to tell us or what we’ve managed to discover. And that he’s actively trying to destroy our free market economy.
$12.00 and a phone call. Just do it, Obunghole.
MAYA SOETORO
KingsKid also requested index data for Maya Soetoro, the President’s sister. Okubo’s response indicates that there is no record on file with the DoH in Hawaii for Maya. So, I believe we can safely put to bed all allegations that Obama’s online COLB was created using a COLB issued for Maya as a template.
Here is the request made by KingsKid on September 28, 2009 5:20 AM as to Maya:
As per Hawai’i Revised Statute 338-18(d), I am herein requesting “index data” available to the public according to the statute, specifically the index data pertaining to a birth record for the person known as President Obama’s sister Maya Soetoro, aka Maya Kassandra Soetoro, aka Maya Soetoro-ng…
Below is Okubo’s response:
From: Okubo, Janice S.
To: [KingsKid email redacted]
Cc: Onaka, Alvin T.
Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 1:00 PM
Subject: RE: Request for Information
Aloha…
There is no record that responds to this request.
Janice Okubo
Communications Office
Hawaii State Department of Health
BTTT
Probably so, but he could have risen out of the sea. Rev 13:1
I was thinking that if they had a COLB for Maya, that would (inconveniently) show that a COLB does not confirm Hawaiian birth.
So much for that scheme.
Maybe he really was born in Hawaii in August 1961.
But he's certainly hiding something.
What is it?
I hope that one gets applied sooner than later and takes everyone complicit down with it.
Oh, there’ll be plenty going down . . . . .
As I’ve said before, I think that the “surprise” on his birth certificate when he saw it the first time was perhaps . . . no father named . . . place of birth not USofA . . . father named not father Stanley Ann told him . . . Mother’s Status listed as single or unmarried . . . Race listed as Caucasian.
Just as in his book when he says he chose his friends wisely and stuck with the blacks . . . I believe this is code for his being a member of the SDS and/or Weather Underground.
0bama leaves hints around . . . it’s up to us to connect the dots.
So what's the big deal there? The Obamatons could have used any Hawaii COLB as a template for their online forgery!
Ping!!!
I remember reading on a post from several weeks ago that someone (TerriK, John Charleton, Kingskid, etc ?) already submitted a request for Maya and rec’d a reply from Janice-
I-Don’t-Tell-The-Truth-Okubo that no matching records were found.
It’s just such a shame that Leo has to sue the State of HI just to get them to follow their own law ! !
IIRC, a bill was introduced in the Missouri state legislature to require documentation that candidates for president and vice president must document their constitutional qualifications to be placed on the ballot. I'm not sure what the fate of that bill is.
On a federal level, a bill requiring a filing of a birth certificate, and any other necessary documentation of constitutional qualifications, with the Federal Elections Commission was introduced in the House by Rep. Bill Posey (R-FL) with support by about a dozen other House Republicans. That bill, of course, has no chance of passage in the current Congress, but could be revived somewhere down the road when the composition of Congress changes.
BHO, Jr, could have been sold into pirate captivity in Indonesia, and he still would not have lost his citizenship, if he ever had it, that is, by being born in Hawaii.
BHO, Jr. Has spent millions to convince us that possible "Native Born" = "Natural Born." Yoost ain't so, Sven.
“I believe we can safely put to bed all allegations that Obama’s online COLB was created using a COLB for Maya as a template.”
Per justiceseeker93:
“So what's the big deal there? The Obamatons could have used any Hawaii COLB as a template for their online forgery!”
justiceseeker93:
If Maya had been proved to have had an HI COLB it would possibly show a “pattern of behavior” of Stanley Ann to obtain US citizen BC’s for her foreign-born children, so with confirmation that Maya has no HI vital record, no such pattern can be inferred here.
That doesn't mean Stanley Ann didn't get a false US vital record for BHO II, it just means that you can't use Maya to help support a false report of a foreign birth for BHO II.
Thanks justiceseeker93.
DoH - don’t trust them!
“I believe his grandmother, who claims to have been present at the event. “
Which grandmother and where?
“Which grandmother and where?”
His Kenyan Grandmother, in Kenya. She is sure she saw him born, so I am sure he was born, and not as some suggest, self materialized or conjured up in a pot of bubbling brew.
No, she didn’t say she saw Barack Obama JUNIOR born, she saw his father Barack Obama SENIOR born. She was there as a witness and midwife to his mother. The ‘grandmother’ was SENIOR’s father’s second wife (polygamy).
Good try. What she said was that Obamao’s mother tried to leave Kenya, but she was too far gone. The Kenyan authorities wouldn’t let her leave. She had the baby, with grandma present, and left Kenya shortly after. I heard the tape of granma’s story. I’m sure it is still around for the finding. Others have also said Obamao was born there. I’m sure his father was born there too.
You got some wild story there. The tape never said she tried to leave... she never said anything about Ann. But whatever, just don’t identify yourself as a birther please, you will give us a bad name for spouting off disproven information.
You tell me what the tape said. Don’t identify yourself as an Obamao apologist.
In truth, I’m not a birther, and I’m not not a birther. I think Obmamao was born in Kenya, and then soon after flown to Hawaii with his mother, but I can’t prove it, and don’t intend to make any effort to do so.
Have fun.
I’m a birther, I think Obama was born in Canada, but I am not an Obama apologist. Ask the birther ping list and they can tell you I’ve been on this issue since last year.
Well, good luck! All I know for sure is that he is hiding something.
Never in our history have so many tried so hard to commit treason.
Never in our history have so many tried so hard to commit treason.
The information that was used to make that “determination”, by HI law, must be released as it’s no longer private...since it’s been made public.
***You Might Be a Birther if...
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2379569/posts
that post makes a lot of sense to you and, in fact, has a high duhh factor.
What is even sadder is that under Hawaiian Law, Team Obama had no "right to privacy," or right to control the release of his records. We were fooled. Once.
The AG (A republican of some sort) created a completely false legal shield for Obama, directed the DoH in implementing it, and is stonewalling with a vengeance. The DoH helped by a campaign of misdirection, misinformation, false statements, and their own refusals to comply with State Law.
They are clearly fighting a no-win rear-guard action to delay judgment day as long as possible, and thus have a negative effect on the fight in DC to obtain a Writ of Quo Warranto. They will certainly go to trial, and appeals in the state courts. They have the resources of an entire state to back up their illegal stance.
This will unravel. One hopes that it does so before 2012.
... Redux. Begin at #43 and read backwards until you have caught up.
My assumption is if I'm 'way behind, everyone else is, too.
Don’t know how that can be. I’m sure the slithering snake hatched.
I'm in a perpetual state of being behind, LucyT. (sigh)
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