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Obama Takes First Step in Banning All Firearms
DefendUSx ^ | November 11, 2009 | DefendUSx

Posted on 11/12/2009 6:01:58 PM PST by opentalk

On Wednesday the Obama administration took its first major step in a plan to ban all firearms in the United States. The Obama administration intends to force gun control and a complete ban on all weapons for US citizens through the signing of international treaties with foreign nations. By signing international treaties on gun control, the Obama administration can use the US State Department to bypass the normal legislative process in Congress. Once the US Government signs these international treaties, all US citizens will be subject to those gun laws created by foreign governments. These are laws that have been developed and promoted by organizations such as the United Nations and individuals such as George Soros and Michael Bloomberg. The laws are designed and intended to lead to the complete ban and confiscation of all firearms.

The Obama administration is attempting to use tactics and methods of gun control that will inflict major damage to our 2nd Amendment before US citizens even understand what has happened. Obama can appear before the public and tell them that he does not intend to pursue any legislation (in the United States) that will lead to new gun control laws, while cloaked in secrecy, his Secretary of State, Hillary Clinton is committing the US to international treaties and foreign gun control laws. Does that mean Obama is telling the truth? What it means is that there will be no publicized gun control debates in the media or votes in Congress.

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1 posted on 11/12/2009 6:01:58 PM PST by opentalk
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To: opentalk; marktwain; neverdem

Ping


2 posted on 11/12/2009 6:03:03 PM PST by Jet Jaguar (A mob of one.)
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To: opentalk

Lock and load.


3 posted on 11/12/2009 6:04:48 PM PST by RoadKingSE (How do you know that the light at the end of the tunnel isn't a muzzle flash ?)
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To: opentalk

Uh...yeah... sure. The only thing it would accomplish would be to start Civil War II.


4 posted on 11/12/2009 6:06:08 PM PST by StolarStorm
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To: opentalk

Such treaties must be approved by 2/3’s of the US Senate, and that is simply not going to happen. The result would be insurrection. 85 million American gun owners will not acquiesce to such tyranny.


5 posted on 11/12/2009 6:06:26 PM PST by andy58-in-nh (America does not need to be organized: it needs to be liberated.)
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To: opentalk

this will be the day the guns will be heard.

Noone has the right to give away our constitution for Any reason.

And any cop or military gets in the way they will go the way as the gov.!


6 posted on 11/12/2009 6:07:02 PM PST by devistate one four (Back by popular demand: America love or leave it (GTFOOMC) TET68)
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To: opentalk

Constitution Article II, Section 2 requires all treaties to be concurred by 2/3 of Senators present.


7 posted on 11/12/2009 6:07:26 PM PST by OldNavyVet
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To: opentalk
all US citizens will be subject to those gun laws created by foreign governments.

ROFL

8 posted on 11/12/2009 6:07:37 PM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: opentalk
link referenced in article:

U.S. reverses stance on treaty to regulate arms trade

9 posted on 11/12/2009 6:08:10 PM PST by opentalk
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To: opentalk

Oh no he di-int!

Is the NRA in da house? If so i wanna give a shout out to them to get on this yesterday!


10 posted on 11/12/2009 6:08:37 PM PST by uncitizen (I'm mad as hell and i'm not gonna take it anymore!!)
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To: opentalk
sign of the times.

May God be with us all.

11 posted on 11/12/2009 6:09:21 PM PST by Battle Hymn of the Republic
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To: opentalk

Try to come and get them....
It will most assuredly be a very bloody affair.


12 posted on 11/12/2009 6:10:23 PM PST by AngryCapitalist (PUSH HAS NOW COME TO SHOVE!)
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To: RoadKingSE

Regular old RK here

L & L


13 posted on 11/12/2009 6:11:09 PM PST by silentreignofheroes
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To: opentalk
On the day this happens, all law enforcement officers have a choice to make....which side are they on? Do you side with the Constitution or our facist government?

I am generally interested in the answers to these questions. Anybody here on FR ever talked to some LEOs about this issue?

14 posted on 11/12/2009 6:11:40 PM PST by oldvike
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To: opentalk

ping


15 posted on 11/12/2009 6:13:10 PM PST by Gertie
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To: opentalk
The Rooters arcticle link:
http://www.reuters.com/articlePrint?articleId=USTRE59E0Q920091015

The treaty ostensibly deals with exports.

Molon Labe

16 posted on 11/12/2009 6:13:49 PM PST by 50cal Smokepole (Effective gun control involves effective recoil management)
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To: opentalk
ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ Make my freaking day commie rat bastards.
17 posted on 11/12/2009 6:14:13 PM PST by joesjane (The strength of the pack is the wolf - Rudyard Kipling)
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To: opentalk

When they come for our guns... give them the ammo first !


18 posted on 11/12/2009 6:14:47 PM PST by Reagan69 (The only thing SHOVEL-READY since BO's stimulus has been MICHAEL JACKSON (tammy bruce))
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To: oldvike
>Anybody here on FR ever talked to some LEOs about this issue?

I haven't, but I have been thinking that exact thought for several months.

Check out Oathkeepers website. http://oathkeepers.org/oath

19 posted on 11/12/2009 6:15:31 PM PST by NewJerseyJoe (Rat mantra: "Facts are meaningless! You can use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true!")
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To: opentalk

An all-out shooting civil war would begin before this kind of thing happens.


20 posted on 11/12/2009 6:16:01 PM PST by DarthVader (Liberalism is the politics of EVIL whose time of judgment has come.)
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To: opentalk

What kind of dope are you on newbie!


21 posted on 11/12/2009 6:16:34 PM PST by dalereed
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To: opentalk

85 million armed gun owners marching on the White House would change his mind in a heartbeat...and the louses in Congress who agree to go along with this mess.


22 posted on 11/12/2009 6:16:35 PM PST by Pistolshot (Brevity: Saying a lot, while saying very little.)
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To: 50cal Smokepole

International treaties need to be scrutinized with this administration. There seems be an agenda that is not in our best interest.


23 posted on 11/12/2009 6:17:07 PM PST by opentalk
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To: opentalk

That will be the last straw, if true.


24 posted on 11/12/2009 6:17:19 PM PST by Hoosier-Daddy ("It does no good to be a super power if you have to worry what the neighbors think." BuffaloJack)
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To: oldvike

The Chiefs will glibly order the officers into the field, the majority rank and file, outside Urban-hoodoo land will balk.Some will join with the”Civilian Obamacorps” cus dah kids gotta eatz.


25 posted on 11/12/2009 6:17:26 PM PST by redstateconfidential (`)
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To: oldvike

LEOs despise Obozo and his minions with a perfect hatred. They are screwed. If they try raising their own army then there is CWII and they are screwed even more.


26 posted on 11/12/2009 6:18:16 PM PST by DarthVader (Liberalism is the politics of EVIL whose time of judgment has come.)
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To: oldvike
My bet... local smaller city cops and county sheriffs will go with the side of the Constitution. Urban cops would side with the fascists... most of them are worthless anyway...other than dealing out speeding tickets, shooting dogs and old people or those with mental disorders.

The military would be the big question mark. Probably most would follow the chain of command (the Social Fascists), but they would have to contend with all the ex-military many of whom would defend the Constitution.

But its just an exercise in fantasy really. No way the Senate would pass such a thing.
27 posted on 11/12/2009 6:18:39 PM PST by StolarStorm
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To: StolarStorm

If ya’ll want to engage in some serious paranoia... consider that articles like this could be posted and used to find out who would resist unconstitutional actions.


28 posted on 11/12/2009 6:21:20 PM PST by StolarStorm
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To: opentalk

It’s amazing to me to watch the reactions to this BS.
Some of you seem to have left common sense at home.
He can sign all the Treaties he wants but as someone pointed out they must be ratified by the U.S. Senate.
Lets not lose our cool just yet!!!!!!!!!!!!!


29 posted on 11/12/2009 6:21:45 PM PST by Captain Peter Blood
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To: andy58-in-nh
What you said...

Although, I can easily see this Administration ignoring that little ol' "ratification" step. Espcially seeing how they piss on the rest of the Constitution.

There will be no ban. There might be a civil war, but there will be no ban.

I will not comply. I am not alone.

30 posted on 11/12/2009 6:21:56 PM PST by Dead Corpse (III)
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To: opentalk

Even democrats won’t give up their guns.


31 posted on 11/12/2009 6:22:09 PM PST by b4its2late (Before you can control a horse, you have to break it. Sound familiar?)
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To: oldvike

40/60. About 60% on our side. According to my retired LEO father who still does Range Master duty for local and County LEO re-quals.


32 posted on 11/12/2009 6:23:53 PM PST by Dead Corpse (III)
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To: NewJerseyJoe

Great website. From looking at it, those LEOs and military types would be on our side.


33 posted on 11/12/2009 6:24:19 PM PST by oldvike
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To: Pistolshot

With the recent Zero inspired buying binge? Probably much closer to 100 million by now.


34 posted on 11/12/2009 6:24:48 PM PST by Dead Corpse (III)
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To: oldvike

http://oathkeepers.org/oath/

Welcome to Oath Keepers

Oath Keepers is a non-partisan association of currently
serving military, reserves, National Guard, veterans,
Peace Officers, and Fire Fighters who will fulfill the
Oath we swore, with the support of like minded citizens
who take an Oath to stand with us, to support and defend
the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic,
so help us God.

Our Oath is to the Constitution

Our motto is “Not on our watch!”


35 posted on 11/12/2009 6:25:07 PM PST by HuntsvilleTxVeteran ((B.?) Hussein (Obama?Soetoro?Dunham?) Change America Will Die From.)
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To: StolarStorm
So what? You think most of us aren't on some list already? Should this scare us? Should we cower in fear?

F*ck that. Pardon my French...

36 posted on 11/12/2009 6:26:26 PM PST by Dead Corpse (III)
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To: Dead Corpse

I can see the older LEOs like your Dad being on our side, but what about all these new, young cops I’m seeing? I mean, they look like little kids and, being as such, I would think they’d be easily brainwashed by Zero and his thugs. For the record, I live in a rural town who’s citizens would not stand for this sheet for second.


37 posted on 11/12/2009 6:26:29 PM PST by oldvike
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To: opentalk

Cold day in hell!


38 posted on 11/12/2009 6:28:06 PM PST by DCPatriot ("It aint what you don't know that kills you. It's what you know that aint so" Theodore Sturgeon))
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To: opentalk

The President does not have the authority to sign away our constitutional rights. But of course we have no ‘standing’ in any court, so nothing will be done...


39 posted on 11/12/2009 6:28:42 PM PST by autumnraine (You can't fix stupid, but you can vote it out!)
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To: dalereed

lol


40 posted on 11/12/2009 6:28:53 PM PST by Orange1998
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To: opentalk

This is what happens when You let an Apparently KENYAN BORN COMMUNIST RADICAL who has stated he “only supports some parts of the U.S. Constitution” hide ALL of His Past, including where he was Born, All of His Medical and Academic Records, All of His Passport and Travel records, All of His Professional Records and Financial Records, Realize He NEVER WROTE HIS ALLEGED “MEMOIRS”, ignored the Fact that ge Never Had a Real Position of Responsibility and Decision making, Ignored that He Campaigned as a US Senator for a Third World Thug and Possible Murderer, and then You Give HIM the MOST POWERFUL and MOST RESPONSIBLE POSITION IN ALL OF THE WORLD’S HISTORY because He is GOOD AT READING A TELEPROMPTER AND OBFUSCATING THE TRUTH!

MAY GOD SAVE OUR AMERICA AND OUR WORLD!!


41 posted on 11/12/2009 6:29:17 PM PST by True Republican Patriot (May GOD Continue to BLESS Our Great President George W. Bush!!)
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To: OldNavyVet

That’s right and if there is a special call at 3:00 am to half a dozen anti-gun Senators they’ll vote on the treaty and ratify it before we know what’s happening.

Then there will be blood...


42 posted on 11/12/2009 6:30:09 PM PST by oldfart (Obama nation = abomination. Think about it!)
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To: opentalk

Its DOA if he tries. Treaties are subordinate to the Constitution and cannot override the protections stated therein. They can only be valid within the confines of the authority granted to our government by the Constitution. Plenty of controlling case law on this already exists including the recent Supreme Court smack down ruling in Medillan v Texas 2008. More here: http://supreme.justia.com/constitution/article-2/19-constitutional-limitations-on-treaty-power.html


43 posted on 11/12/2009 6:30:34 PM PST by Mechanicos
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To: StolarStorm
But its just an exercise in fantasy really. No way the Senate would pass such a thing.

Most likely you're right. But what if it's something else like Cap and Trade? Say 10 years down the road gas is $10/gallon, electricity rates have tripled, and there is no more middle class. Do we as citizens just sit there and become a third world country, or do we say "enough!"?

44 posted on 11/12/2009 6:30:36 PM PST by oldvike
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To: Captain Peter Blood

See #42


45 posted on 11/12/2009 6:32:16 PM PST by oldfart (Obama nation = abomination. Think about it!)
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To: opentalk

IT'S A HOAX!!

Geez, 42 posts into the thread and no one's bothered to see if SB-2099 exists in this Senate session (it doesn't) and no one's bothered to look on SNOPES.COM to see if this is a hoax (it is, and has been since May of this year.)

What's become of Freepers who knee-jerk react first, and don't bother to look for the facts?

46 posted on 11/12/2009 6:32:47 PM PST by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: opentalk
There is NO agenda of Øbamoa’s that is in our best interests. The marxists are playing with fire, and like an inexperienced child, they will get burned if they don't stop. Private stockpiles of ammo and firearms exist now. Good luck, Ø, getting them from us without a fight.
47 posted on 11/12/2009 6:32:48 PM PST by 50cal Smokepole (Effective gun control involves effective recoil management)
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To: StolarStorm

See #42


48 posted on 11/12/2009 6:32:48 PM PST by oldfart (Obama nation = abomination. Think about it!)
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To: opentalk

I sure wish I had bought stock in firearms and ammo companies about a year and half ago.


49 posted on 11/12/2009 6:33:50 PM PST by TigersEye (0bama is our first Port of Entry President - I hope he goes home.)
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To: StolarStorm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hvf8r3cX3vo&feature=related


50 posted on 11/12/2009 6:33:59 PM PST by silentreignofheroes
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