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Moral degeneration
Conservapedia ^ | 11/21/09 | Conservapedia

Posted on 11/21/2009 4:50:02 PM PST by daniel1212

Moral degeneration refers to the process of declining from a higher to a lower level of morality. The condition of moral degeneration is seen as concomitant with the decline of the quality of life, and the decline of nations. In the words of Judge Devlin, "an established morality is as necessary as good government to the welfare of society. Societies disintegrate from within more frequently than they are broken up by external pressures."

The United States

America is seen to be somewhat unique in the degree of moral foundation which was it founded upon, with a strong Biblically based influence, which was strengthened as a result of religious revivals, and which affected a strong union of faith and civil life in the new Republic. French historian Alexis de Tocqueville commented,

“The Americans combine the notions of Christianity and of liberty so intimately in their minds, that it is impossible to make them conceive the one without the other; and with them this conviction does not spring from that barren traditionary faith which seems to vegetate in the soul rather than to live."

1960 and beyond

The decade of the 1960's would begin a dramatic moral change in America's history. While a more developed moral social consciousness helped to effect beneficial and needed changes, such as in the area of civil rights, as regards such non-moral aspects as race and color, this recognition of basic equality was used by liberal moralists to advocate liberty for immorality in word and in deed... The 1960's culminated with Woodstock 69, with the decade being marked by rebellion against authority in general (though usually not to living off it) and against capitalism, and the promotion and practice of pre-marital sex, recreational drug use, the rise of feminism and the advocation of liberal ideology in general.

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TOPICS: Politics
KEYWORDS: culturewars; moraldegeneration
The causes of a decline of a nation is of interest to me, and I wrote this article for Conservapedia (I know it needs work), of which only a portion is posted here. I am interested in comments, and insights, and if you come across errors let me know.
1 posted on 11/21/2009 4:50:02 PM PST by daniel1212
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To: daniel1212

Educating children in right and wrong is the very basic education that everything else builds on.

You can quote me on that.


2 posted on 11/21/2009 5:01:29 PM PST by GeronL
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To: daniel1212

Decline of morals can be traced back before the sixties.

There was the youth culture of the fifties.

And the reduced modesty of women’s fashions that began in the roaring twenties.

And the promotion and glamorization of alcohol, gambling, violence, and sex trades that happened as a result of the prohibition.

My opinion is that america’s morality decline began in the roaring twenties with greed, materialism...and the frivolous nature of women that became the norm at the time.

The markets crashed because it was all about easy money, not about real progress...like a tech bubble or a housing bubble.


3 posted on 11/21/2009 5:09:07 PM PST by mamelukesabre (Pray for Obama...Psalms 109:8)
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To: daniel1212
an established morality is as necessary as good government to the welfare of society

I think it is more correct to say that "an established morality is 'prerequisite' to good government." The cesspools of the world, like Somolia for example, are cesspools because of the morality, or lack thereof, of the people who live there.

4 posted on 11/21/2009 5:17:00 PM PST by layman (Card Carrying Infidel)
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To: mamelukesabre; daniel1212

5 posted on 11/21/2009 5:21:49 PM PST by WVKayaker (www.wherezobama.org / Obama's Excellent Adventure ...)
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To: daniel1212

The biggest casualty of the progressive movement has been the truth. It is nowhere to be found. Just look at your phone bill, lies and obfuscation. Check you ticket at the grocery stores , a lot of the sales just do not pan out. The tv news is chock full of half truths. Global warming? How about our elected officials? Lying is the sin that precedes all others.


6 posted on 11/21/2009 5:22:50 PM PST by rsobin
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To: GeronL

The deeper issue is on what basis right and wrong is determined. The effect of Christian based morality cannot be underestimated, and the educational role of the N E Primer and McGuffey’s reader. See http://www.nps.gov/jeff/historyculture/upload/mcguffey.pdf

This was being effected even before National education. School systems in large cities could also function with little oversight, such as in Baltimore, where the public schools in 1890 employed only two superintendents for the entire district of 1,200 teachers. Despite this, public schools across America were notably similar, with children learning both the basics of reading, writing, and arithmetic, and the basics of good behavior – the latter being enforced when necessary by corporal punishment.http://peacebyjesus.witnesstoday.org/CauseEffect.html

Where would America be if it was based upon San Francisco/ Folsom street fair morality? This evidences much of where it is going, apart from a another Great Awakening: http://peacebyjesus.witnesstoday.org/RevealingStatistics.html


7 posted on 11/21/2009 5:29:40 PM PST by daniel1212 ("hear the word of the gospel, and believe." (Acts 15:7))
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To: daniel1212
According to my opinion, and the opinions of many defectors of my caliber, only about 15% of time, money, and manpower is spent on espionage as such. The other 85% is a slow process which we call either ideological subversion, active measures, or psychological warfare. What it basically means is: to change the perception of reality of every American that despite of the abundance of information no one is able to come to sensible conclusions in the interest of defending themselves, their families, their community, and their country.
 
It's a great brainwashing process which goes very slow and is divided into four basic stages.
 
The first stage being "demoralization"....
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---KGB Defector Yuri Bezmenov
 
Soviet Subversion of the Free Press (Ideological subversion, Destabilization, CRISIS - and the KGB)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2095202/posts

8 posted on 11/21/2009 5:32:49 PM PST by LomanBill (Animals! The DemocRats blew up the windmill with an Acorn!)
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To: mamelukesabre

Indeed. “Coincidentally”, that is when the McGuffey’s reader began to be replaced. Who here knows about John Dewey? “Train up a child in the way he should go”, has its demonic counterpart, and he has its disciples.

The article does note, under Early to mid 20th century,

Morally, much effort was expended in passing Prohibition in the United States (1920 to 1933), while during the same period the Roaring 20’s manifested a marked degree of cultural rejection of traditional moral decency.


9 posted on 11/21/2009 5:34:16 PM PST by daniel1212 ("hear the word of the gospel, and believe." (Acts 15:7))
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To: daniel1212
I was reading a book about the Plymouth colony and back then education was all done at home, although townships tried to create a school here and there. What we call moral teaching now used to be called education, people wanted to teach their kids to read so they could read the bible.

It was a very different time in so many ways.

10 posted on 11/21/2009 5:40:56 PM PST by GeronL
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To: daniel1212
Indeed. “Coincidentally”, that is when the McGuffey’s reader began to be replaced. Who here knows about John Dewey? “Train up a child in the way he should go”, has its demonic counterpart, and he has its disciples.

I thought I would note in passing that about 20-25 years ago The Vermont Country Store (catalog store) sold McGuffey Readers. Today it no longer caries those, but sells "intimate solutions".

11 posted on 11/21/2009 5:40:56 PM PST by thecodont
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To: layman

As said before, what defines “good” is the key. The atheistic basis for morality allowed Mao, Pol Pot, etc, to justify their atrocities, as they seemed “reasonable” to gaining their supposedly beneficial ends, while MuhamMAD’s hijacking of the Bible did to Him. Meanwhile, Christianity has not been tried and found wanting, but wanting to be tried, but insofar as America was influenced by its principles and uncorrupted understanding of its precepts it benefited, and others entered in the labors of those who built its foundation.


12 posted on 11/21/2009 5:41:16 PM PST by daniel1212 ("hear the word of the gospel, and believe." (Acts 15:7))
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To: thecodont

caries = carries


13 posted on 11/21/2009 5:41:50 PM PST by thecodont
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To: rsobin

Phone bill is not bad, but gas bill here is much obfuscation. But liberalism, largely runs on emotion, not objectivity and sound reason.


14 posted on 11/21/2009 5:44:18 PM PST by daniel1212 ("hear the word of the gospel, and believe." (Acts 15:7))
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To: mamelukesabre
When I was a kid, the biggest problem in schools was "spitballs" followed by kids chewing gum in class.

Today many schools have full time police officers and metal detectors. It's different. Very different.

15 posted on 11/21/2009 5:45:53 PM PST by GOPJ (ObamaCare - slush fund scam that would make Bernie Madoff blush.)
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To: daniel1212

Our moral foundation has crumbled in many part of the country and now we get government tyranny. Degeneracy and tyranny go together. We have to keep working to roll back the tyranny, but a lot of people, driven by greed and lacking a spirit of thankfulness, feel entitled to get “freebies” from other people.

A lot of people, IMO, will need to suffer before we regain our freedoms.


16 posted on 11/21/2009 5:53:53 PM PST by beejaa
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To: LomanBill

Thanks for the link. Does this have anything to do with the media’s role in helping Hanoi in the Vietnam war?

CBS Evening News with [[Walter Cronkite]]’’ regularly carried news reports from its [[Moscow]] Bureau Chief, Bernard Redmont . When peace negotiations commenced with North Vietnam in Paris, Redmont became ‘’CBS News’’ Paris Bureau Chief. What Redmont never reported during the ten year conflict was, Redmont had been a KGB operative since the 1930s, and member of the notorious Silvermaster group.

West German correspondent Uwe Siemon-Netto asked,

What prompted us to make our readers believe that the Communists, once in power in all of Viet Nam, would behave benignly? What made us, first and foremost Anthony Lewis, belittle warnings by U.S. officials that a Communist victory would result in a massacre?... Are we journalists not in part responsible for the death of the tens of thousands who drowned? And are we not in part responsible for the hostile reception accorded to those who survive?...However, the media have been rather coy; they have not declared that they played a key role in the conflict. They have not proudly trumpeted Hanoi’s repeated expressions of gratitude to the mass media of the non-Communist world, although Hanoi has indeed affirmed that it could not have won “without the Western press.”
http://conservapedia.com/Vietnam_War#Media_Bias


17 posted on 11/21/2009 5:54:44 PM PST by daniel1212 ("hear the word of the gospel, and believe." (Acts 15:7))
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To: thecodont

(Jude 1:4) “For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.”


18 posted on 11/21/2009 5:56:12 PM PST by daniel1212 ("hear the word of the gospel, and believe." (Acts 15:7))
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To: beejaa

Time for a “sigh and cry” ministry. (Ezek 9:4) “And the LORD said unto him, Go through the midst of the city, through the midst of Jerusalem, and set a mark upon the foreheads of the men that sigh and that cry for all the abominations that be done in the midst thereof.”

But we cannot do what the next verse requires, but the Lord and His saints will in His time and by His means. (Jude 1:14,15; Rev. 19:14-18) May we all be on the Lord’s side, daily, and to His glory.


19 posted on 11/21/2009 6:01:46 PM PST by daniel1212 ("hear the word of the gospel, and believe." (Acts 15:7))
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To: daniel1212

The country I was born into is no more and it will probably take a populsr revolution to take it back. What was once the greatest sucess story in all the history of nations has been turned into a poor reflection of European social democracy.
I’m almost glad I won’t be around to see my country relegated to a second-rate nation.


20 posted on 11/21/2009 6:03:10 PM PST by Larry381 ("in the final instance civilization is always saved by a platoon of soldiers" Oswald Spengler)
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To: daniel1212
1. The culture always moves left. The best the right can do is slow down the process.

2. The "social revolution" actually started in the 1920s, but was put on hold by a depression, a World War, and the lack of a large youth/young adult population in the 1950s.

21 posted on 11/21/2009 6:04:55 PM PST by Clemenza (Remember our Korean War Veterans)
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To: daniel1212
The 1920s saw rising rates of divorce, rising crime following Volstead (including the rise of "drive by" shootings), and greater tolerance of sexual freedom.

Don't get me started on the illegal gambling and prostitution that was out in the open in places like Jersey City (where my grandparents grew up) even during the depression and the 1940s.

22 posted on 11/21/2009 6:07:33 PM PST by Clemenza (Remember our Korean War Veterans)
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To: Larry381

The problems is, Socialism is popular with the weak and the mediocre, including many “social conservatives.” All we have to do is look to Quebec’s “Quiet Revolution” of the 1950s-1970s to see how easy it was for a traditional, Church-bound society to quickly transform into a secular, even anti-religious society wedded to state as a source of employment and personal sustenance.


23 posted on 11/21/2009 6:10:08 PM PST by Clemenza (Remember our Korean War Veterans)
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To: GeronL
What we call moral teaching now used to be called education, people wanted to teach their kids to read so they could read the bible.

The same is true for Muslims today. The whole focus of their education is the read, memorize and recite the Koran.

24 posted on 11/21/2009 6:18:15 PM PST by Doe Eyes
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To: daniel1212

Looks like we are on the same wavelength then.

You could expand your essay to include more civilizations. The great empires are the ones to focus on. Going backwards in time

USA
russia
british
spanish
islam(seljuks and then turks)
holy roman empire
byzantine
vikings
roman
greek
persian(first and second empire)
egyptian
babylonian
etc.

The five most recent are the most interesting to me. One could make the argument that america is only a continuation of the british empire, in it’s second form...or in other words, present day america is the beginning of the second british empire reconfigured around a new political paradigm.

The rise to prominence of the english speaking people are an interesting recent happening on the big timeline. One could go into a moral analysis of english culture and compare it to other empires and the rest of the world. There is something strikingly different about anglos as compared to all the rest of the world. I think they are somewhat a modern day version of the vikings, in character.

Arguably, the spanish empire ended when they were defeated by americans in the spanish american war. Why were spanish people displaced by anglos in north america? Why are anglos being displaced by latins nowdays? What role did morals have to play in this, if any?

BTW, I dissagree with your assertion that china lacks morals. They do not. All the oriental people have a strong sense of morals. It is different than the christian version. They value “honor”. this is a type of moral code...different from christianity, but still it is a code of conduct. it is very strong in their culture. I think it might explain the success(and failures) of the chinese over the last few thousand years. The japanese as well.

Islam also has had periods of great success. I strongly feel if you look hard you will find evidences of a strong moral code in that culture as well. certainly not like christianity. But something there, with some commendable traits nonetheless. something that, when implemented in a certain way, will foster achievement and economic growth. Otherwise, how could you possibly explain their past rise to greatness?


25 posted on 11/21/2009 6:29:55 PM PST by mamelukesabre (Pray for Obama...Psalms 109:8)
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To: rsobin; devolve
[Lying is the sin that precedes all others.]

True. Even, the famous, Sean Connery had a quote about lying;

"You should always tell the truth, because if you tell the truth you make it the other person's problem." Sean Connery"

James Bond would have probably disagreed, lol.

26 posted on 11/21/2009 6:45:56 PM PST by potlatch (ACTIONS - Speak Louder Than Words)
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To: GOPJ

You left out fist fights.

That problem seems to be gone now. strange.


27 posted on 11/21/2009 6:50:27 PM PST by mamelukesabre (Pray for Obama...Psalms 109:8)
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To: Doe Eyes

See post 12.


28 posted on 11/21/2009 7:00:33 PM PST by daniel1212 ("hear the word of the gospel, and believe." (Acts 15:7))
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To: mamelukesabre

I know much cold be added, and the article is obviously focused on the USA, that being its main target, but if you want to sign up and add some on other nations you could. It took my a lot of time to reference what i did. As for the china lacking morals, that was only referring to its falling away from morality, and it does say that “China’s long recorded history testifies to both various degrees of moral virtue as well as moral declension and its consequences.” See http://www.conservapedia.com/History_of_homosexuality#Homosexuality_in_China for one aspect of the negative.


29 posted on 11/21/2009 7:15:51 PM PST by daniel1212 ("hear the word of the gospel, and believe." (Acts 15:7))
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To: daniel1212
On October 11, 1798, President John Adams addressed the officers of the First Brigade of the Third Division of the Militia of Massachusetts in a letter:

'We have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion. Avarice, ambition, revenge, or gallantry, would break the strongest cords of our Constitution as a whale goes through a net.

Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.'

30 posted on 11/21/2009 7:20:11 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist *DTOM* -ww- I AM JIM THOMPSON!)
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To: potlatch

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Excellent potlatch

And Moneypenny would catch him anyway!


31 posted on 11/21/2009 7:21:40 PM PST by devolve
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To: WVKayaker

Frankly, I know moral degeneration began at the fall, and this we are no like innocent infants, and thus a women’s naked beauty is for her husband to behold, and not to be paraded in public. Maybe it can be removed.


32 posted on 11/21/2009 7:23:13 PM PST by daniel1212 ("hear the word of the gospel, and believe." (Acts 15:7))
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To: Chode

And the religion that he had in mind was not that of the Muhammadans, not even that of Rome.


33 posted on 11/21/2009 7:25:22 PM PST by daniel1212 ("hear the word of the gospel, and believe." (Acts 15:7))
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To: devolve

Moneypenny probably did catch him, lol, Bond was a whole different person. Connery sounds like a nice man, but I have’t researched his life.


34 posted on 11/21/2009 7:26:29 PM PST by potlatch (ACTIONS - Speak Louder Than Words)
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To: Chode
Good evening.

"Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other."

That is a fact.

So far, every society through out history has failed due to moral decay. The Romans, the Greeks, the Soviets, the Germans, the Persians, etc.. Unfortunately, it seems like we're next.

5.56mm

35 posted on 11/21/2009 7:33:43 PM PST by M Kehoe
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To: potlatch

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I saw Sean Connery on a TV show in an interview

Asked if he actually liked cars -

He answered he was not a car buff

About 11 months ago I saw one of his personal cars sold at an auction for a low $17,000 US buckeroos

A silver Bentley in mint condition

Not an Aston Martin DB5 coupe (the one in his movies was a custom DB5 #1 prototype made from a standard DB4 coupe)

But it was also not a Ford Pinto, Chevy Nova, or a Chrysler New Yorker

Nice wheels but maintenance, restoration, etc. would be expensavo

A nice white 1955 BMW 507 aluminum engined V8 roadster like Elvis leased in Germany in early 1958 was for sale recently for only $9,000

Again - maintenance, restoration, etc.....

Better to buy a 100% body-off restored 1955-57 Ford T-Bird at Barrett-Jackson for only $38,000 (upgraded suspension, brakes, AC, engine, ignition, intake, automatic transmission, wheels, tires) - less than many new Hondas or Toyotas - and they increase in value faster than gold does

$75,000 - $110,000 easy if unmodified or updated - those are for the silver-haired chubby millionaires and their wives or girl friends

Same with early and even late 50’s ‘Vettes - no disc brakes - drums - even a Triumph TR3, TR3A, TR3B (2200cc - same bore sleeves/pistons as a TR4) had disc brakes


36 posted on 11/21/2009 7:51:50 PM PST by devolve
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To: devolve

You are the car expert. I can tell you that if a woman were to drive an old classic, it would be a small sized one. I drove the ‘57 MarkII a few times but it’s just too big and cumbersome.

Interesting story [off topic]. Remember the Bugatti [sp] that was found in England and sold for over a million? Recently, near Galveston, a man dropped his cell phone and ran his Bugatti into a salt marsh, submerging it, lol.

He did not want his name released........


37 posted on 11/21/2009 8:00:37 PM PST by potlatch (ACTIONS - Speak Louder Than Words)
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To: potlatch

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I saw the Texas Bugatti story

You would like a restored retro-mod ‘56-’57 T-Bird

Little trunk room on the ‘55 T-Bird

That is why the ‘56 got the Connie Kit


38 posted on 11/21/2009 8:09:18 PM PST by devolve
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To: devolve

[I saw the Texas Bugatti story]

Interesting that you saw that. It actually happened near LaMarque. That’s where Kay Hutchison’s family lived - although she doesn’t claim it.

Tiny little town, but had some good ‘dance halls’ in my teen days.

Yes, the small T-Bird with the port window would do.


39 posted on 11/21/2009 8:15:20 PM PST by potlatch (ACTIONS - Speak Louder Than Words)
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To: M Kehoe
and good evening to you sir... it's like gun laws. only law abiding gun owners will abide by stooopid gun laws, NOT the criminals
40 posted on 11/21/2009 8:23:57 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist *DTOM* -ww- I AM JIM THOMPSON!)
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To: potlatch

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Some of the Retro-Mod 50’s Corvettes and Mini-T-Birds have been widened to give a wider track (wheel) stance and a roomier front seat and trunk area

Lots of work to cut, weld in spaces, blend in to retain the feel of the original body designs

The early 2000 factory Ford retro-mini T-Birds were a huge flop in sales and dropped from the line


41 posted on 11/21/2009 8:29:58 PM PST by devolve
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To: devolve

[The early 2000 factory Ford retro-mini T-Birds were a huge flop in sales and dropped from the line]

I can understand that in today’s society. SUV’s rule. The kids are in all kinds of sports and equipment is hauled, etc.

But for the wealthy, I can see one of those tiny sport cars just to tool around town in, lol. Me and my purse...... -if I had one. [the car]

You and your beach blanket.........


42 posted on 11/21/2009 8:37:04 PM PST by potlatch (ACTIONS - Speak Louder Than Words)
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