Skip to comments.GOP Senate Candidate Rand Paul has Raised 1.3 Million and Counting!
Posted on 11/23/2009 4:05:33 PM PST by DecoyJames
Really showing to be a strong candidate! His opponent for the GOP primary used to be a democrat.
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This is a dicey area. Ron Paul’s son could bring baggage.
Rand Paul is a true conservative. I see what you are saying... but Grayson is not even a republican... in the wrong way.
Well...at least he’s not his father.
Anybody with the last name of “Paul” can do well in U.S. politics. Conservatives should take advantage of this by finding truly conservative candidates, at every political level, with the last name of “Paul” and then encouraging them to officially run for political office. It’s just a thought.
I see what you’re saying. However, from what I can see, Rand is running as his own man. People ask him about his father at campaign events, but he has spoken of issues on which he differs from him. He’s run a really good grass-roots campaign so far, and he sure as heck has given me more reason to vote for him than Trey Grayson has.
So was Ronald Reagan. I'm supporting Trey Grayson.
What do Ron Paul, Ron Paul, jr. and Osama Bahama have in common?
They have a can’t grab my ankles fast enough foreign policy approach.
With all due respect The Pauls are Libertarians, but please don’t call them Conservative.
Sorry, but he’s got all of his father’s backers behind him and the same paleo whackaloon fundraising network, benefitting blatantly from nepotism while having next to zero qualifications to go for the Senate. What work has he done in the trenches for KY Republicans ? It’s like what Eddie McCormack said to Ted Kennedy, if his name were Eddie Moore, he wouldn’t even be taken seriously as a candidate.
And I’m voting for Paul.
Just curious to hear your thoughts. What do you believe a candidate should have as far as qualifications?
Congratulations. I hope you enjoy your primary victory. Too bad that’ll be the last one.
A number of qualifications are basic, at least with respect to being able to win a major office. The Paulbots think raising money and having a small base of sycophantic supporters can somehow pull off a race. Rand has zero electoral experience in a state that although appears Republican on the surface, has actually only elected two Republicans to federal office statewide since the 1960s (McConnell and Bunning). Grayson has won statewide twice (one of only 2 Republicans to have done so in a non-federal race in the modern era), already a proven vote-getter, and will have the broad-based backing of the party, not just a small fringe.
Some of the attacks on Grayson have been petty, “He’s a former Democrat !” Guess what, so are a lot of Republicans, Reagan was, a lot of Southerners were Democrats until the ‘90s. This guy, so far, hasn’t demonstrated any obvious liberal RINO tendencies in his almost 6 years in statewide office. If Paul wants to run for office, he should set his sights lower, run for a legislative office, or even a House seat. The Senate is a major jump, especially for one that has no real, prior experience. It might be a different story if there was no one else running and he was just taking a kamikaze run, but we’ve got a suitable candidate who has already proven twice (under difficult circumstances) he can win a 3rd time in KY, and that’s Trey Grayson.
BTW, if Grayson morphs into another Graham, we can always boot his ass. I give them one chance to get it right, and if they screw up, I don’t support them.
May the most conservative candidate win, regardless of who his relatives are.
(this is not a slam against Ron Paul, just saying that they’re two separate individuals and should be viewed as such)
That was a non-answer to the previous poster’s question.
Care to try again please?
Personally, I think Rand Paul would be great, but your point here is, well, pointless.
Jesse Helms, Strom Thurmond, and Ronald Reagan all used to be Democrats. I doubt anybody would suggest that they were trojan horse liberals, like some of the left-side-of-the-bell-curve types here on FR have been suggesting about all former Democrats lately.
No, it wasn’t. I submit you don’t like the response. Try reading it again. I’m not interested in needlessly pissing away a Republican-held seat for an unqualified, unknown candidate for whom whose views are highly questionable and who benefits exclusively from his name and his whackaloon father’s fundraising network. Unless you’d prefer the Dems to take this seat ? Because whether you like it or not, they will be putting up a first-tier nominee who has already won statewide, and that will probably be Jack Conway. Seeing my local tv stations (although in Nashville, covers the Southern KY media market) air non-stop ads linking Rand entirely to his kook father as an unqualified extremist throughout the fall campaign in ‘10 makes me physically ill. Let him run for lesser office first and prove himself independent of his father’s nutty paleo/libertarian views... until then, I’m sticking with Trey Grayson.
Sorry, but hes got all of his fathers backers behind him and the same paleo whackaloon fundraising network
No one from his father's campaign is advising him - his old man is providing ZERO assistance. Those "whackaloons" are the Tea Partiers, who are out there protesting the big spending and big gov't. The same volunteers and supporters who did in fact support Ron Paul and now are coming out for Palin.
benefitting blatantly from nepotism
Again, Rand's father played no role in his decision to run for Senate.
while having next to zero qualifications to go for the Senate.
He's an eye surgeon, that's good enough for me. I'm glad he's not a career politician or RNC insider. Funny how you're supporting the establishment hack (Grayson) who used to be a Democrat.
What work has he done in the trenches for KY Republicans?
That's relevant to him running for Senate, how?
Are you aware of the anti-Washington mood in this country, that people are tired of insiders and party back-scratchers?
Its like what Eddie McCormack said to Ted Kennedy, if his name were Eddie Moore, he wouldnt even be taken seriously as a candidate.
Hey, Rand can't pick and choose his parents you know.
Yep, those same people holding Tea Parties and protesting Obama's socialist agenda are nutcases.
Pelosi, is that you?
Dad may have helped him some by dropping hints to his money people.
Rand Paul seems pretty solid. He doesn’t hold his dad’s peacenik BS beliefs, best I can tell.
As for qualifications, there are none necessary, save as spelled out in the constitution. I’d take a random selection of ex-felons over the morons there right now.
Rand Paul call himself a Constitutional Conservative, not a Libertarian. He support military trial of the terrorist and have them locked up at Gitmo. He support voting on declaring Afghan a War, to make it constitutional. He also sought for Palin’s endorsement
This makes him different to Ron Paul, his father
Rand Paul is a Palin supporter which is a plus
we don’t need another establishment gop who sit quietly in the corner and simply vote correctly, we need someone who will go to washington and make his voice heard everywhere
Oh, please. He wouldn't be running were it not for his father. He wouldn't be able to get out of the gate. Just like the Eddie Moore scenario I said above. He's using his father's fundraising network, his father's supporters. Without them, he'd be no more higher profile than the 3rd candidate in the race.
"Those "whackaloons" are the Tea Partiers, who are out there protesting the big spending and big gov't. The same volunteers and supporters who did in fact support Ron Paul and now are coming out for Palin."
I support the Tea Partiers, I also absolutely oppose Paul and Paleo-Libertarians. They are a clear and present danger to our national security, no different than the Kucinich wing of the Democrat party.
"Again, Rand's father played no role in his decision to run for Senate."
"He's an eye surgeon, that's good enough for me. I'm glad he's not a career politician or RNC insider. Funny how you're supporting the establishment hack (Grayson) who used to be a Democrat."
He's Ron Paul's boy first and foremost. He ain't just some lowly "eye surgeon." Oh, or have you forgotten my neighboring state had a heart surgeon for Senator with literally no prior experience. He was also a disaster who couldn't handle the Democrat opposition. As for the last comment, so was Ronald Reagan. I guess he should've been instantly disqualified from running for Governor in '66 because he had been a Democrat, too, not even a whole decade earlier. Don't think you know much about KY politics.
"That's relevant to him running for Senate, how?"
Because he's done nothing to earn the job. No work in the trenches, no work for other candidates in KY. This guy popped out of the blue, using his name and pop's connections to try to buy the nomination from the most qualified candidate in the race. I've got a big problem with that. We don't know WHERE this man stands, I can only go by whom he associates with in his candidacy, and the Paul people have quite the infamous reputation. I vigorously oppose Ron Paul as a nutter and dangerous, definitely the anti-Reagan.
"Hey, Rand can't pick and choose his parents you know."
Yeah. Yet he sure ain't hesistating to use his father's fundraising network and supporters. Nice try.
I see who his daddy is and where the money and support is coming from. That tells me all I need to know.
So what ? Or are people not allowed to learn from their mistakes ? I said he gets one chance with me to prove himself. If he screws up and becomes another Graham, I’ll be the first to call for his head. I’ve yet to see anything so far in his 6 years as KY Sec of State to indicate leftist tendencies.
No, he's not. He's a pro-choice for states, isolationist, Libertarian, just like his father. Which is why the national Paul network supports him.
See, that's the problem. You don't know for 100%. Nobody has been able to definitively claim he's not a paleo-isolationist. He's got the same supporters as his father's, and if this guy weren't that far afield from dad in his views, he'd not be getting their support. And as for the qualifications part, it may not be spelled out in the Constitution, but there are some basics that make a candidate viable in a general election, just some basic experience. You may take a random selection of ex-felons, I prefer to set the bar a little higher. I want to know they're right on the issues, aren't going to sabotage the movement, and aren't a nutter.
Actually, we need all of that. But with the right candidate. I’m not going around claiming Grayson is the second coming of Reagan, but he is certainly has more credibility and experience to be U.S. Senator. Pardon me if those matter as well. We don’t know what Ron’s boy is going to do in the Senate, but if his father is any indication, we don’t need that.
Why wait until he's got a six year term?
Grayson, on his official government website, brags about his Aspen Institute connections and training. What do you know about the Soros-funded Aspen Institute? He also touts his connection to Ted Kennedy.
And last hear he keynoted a Van Jones-sponsored climate change event at EKU.
Grayson is a chameleon. As a youth, his response to the Reagan Revolution was to become a Democrat. He led the D's at Harvard. His response to Clinton was to become a supporter. His response to the changing political landscape in KY was to become a Republican. His response to the surge of global warming malarkey was to cozy up to communists like Van Jones. His response to this current political environment is to pretend to be whatever he has to pretend to be. If elected, into whose image will he morph in Washington, DC? Harry Reid's?
I'll stick with the personhood pro-life, peace through strength, moral conservative Reaganite in this race, Bill Johnson. He's the real deal all the way around.
Why wait until he's got a six year term, AND THE POWER OF INCUMBENCY?
Just to be festive.
"Grayson, on his official government website, brags about his Aspen Institute connections and training. What do you know about the Soros-funded Aspen Institute?"
An elected official touting his being given recognition ? Quelle horror ! You'd better see who they gave recognition to this year. It includes Kelly Ayotte who is likely to be our Senate nominee in NH. I guess she's got to be taken out, too, eh ?
"He also touts his connection to Ted Kennedy."
He cited his being part of a group of elected officials to participate in Harvard's Institute of Politics. A lot of people have participated in that in both parties. Would I cite Ted personally ? Not really.
"And last hear he keynoted a Van Jones-sponsored climate change event at EKU."
Van Jones was there ? Or was this just another conference politicians attend on a frequent basis where you can play gotcha either way ?
"Grayson is a chameleon. As a youth, his response to the Reagan Revolution was to become a Democrat. He led the D's at Harvard. His response to Clinton was to become a supporter."
Is he supporting Clinton now ? The radical Marxist agenda ?
"His response to the changing political landscape in KY was to become a Republican."
That was not exactly a potentially winning move. Republicans rarely win statewide in KY.
"His response to the surge of global warming malarkey was to cozy up to communists like Van Jones."
So he's close friends with Van Jones ?
"His response to this current political environment is to pretend to be whatever he has to pretend to be. If elected, into whose image will he morph in Washington, DC? Harry Reid's?"
I give him one chance to prove himself, EV. That's all I can do. Unless there is a glaring public example of his being a left-wing RINO during his time as Sec of State (which there isn't), I see nothing yet to indicate he will turn into Harry Reid in the Senate.
"I'll stick with the personhood pro-life, peace through strength, moral conservative Reaganite in this race, Bill Johnson. He's the real deal all the way around."
Well, you can do that, that's your right. I'm sure Mr. Johnson is a fine man, but he has no money, no name recognition and like Rand Paul, zero electoral or substantive political experience, running for an office that is over his head. He will get in the single digits in the primary, little more than a desultory sub-second tier candidate. I'm supporting Grayson until such time as he gives me reason to oppose him.
Enjoy the party.
Support for empty-suited unprincipled candidates like Grayson proves that conservatives who say they want to "take their party back" for conservatism aren't serious.
EV, I love you, man. I appreciate your principled stances, but you have to weigh a great many things when you’ve got candidates running for office. First and foremost is viability. If they don’t pass the viability test for the general election, it’s all just a wasted exercise. If we did it your way with backing candidates, however principled, for the general, we’d find ourselves with a Congress made up of 95% Democrats or more. You need to step back and see where I’m coming from here. We’ve got to have people in the game (I know you hate that description, but that’s just how it is), or we’re totally shut out. You have to realize that.
I’d urge your Mr. Johnson to set his sights lower, win an office he can have an impact in, state legislature for example, make his mark there, build a record, build name recognition, and then he’ll be ready to move up. That’s how you do it. That’s the best piece of advice I’d give Mr. Johnson.
Yeah, well, I know even less about the other guy, and little of it is very good.
Every politician is a pig in a poke. Maybe Rand is a secret pacifist. Then again, he could be a big government nanny stater. Which is worse?
No one voting for Mark Foley figgered he was a gonna be chasing teenage boys around the capital. No one figgered that war hero Duke Cunningham would become a complete corrupto-crat, etc, etc.
All I know is that this country would be better off with 535 San Quentin inmates or 535 mongoloids running the show.
Just received in my email box from an actual Kentuckian:
Here is a fact sheet on Trey Grayson. BTW his name isn’t Trey at all. It is Charles Merwin Grayson III.
Now that Charles Merwin Grayson III (aka Trey) is behind in the polls, his rhetoric is “moving towards the right.” But is Trey really a conservative...or is he a RINO (Republican-In-Name-Only)?
Kentucky conservatives would do well to keep these UNDENIABLE FACTS in mind:
1. Grayson graduated from Harvard’s Kennedy School of Government (where free enterprise is laughed at but socialism is praised).
2. Grayson voted for Bill Clinton in 1992, then opportunistically switched parties after the anti-Clinton backlash and GOP landslide of 1994. Allegations that Grayson was actually a delegate for Clinton have yet to be confimed or denied.
3. Grayson’s rich banker daddy was a long time donor to liberal Democrat candidates. Daddy Grayson’s bank was also a recipient of TARP bailout money.
4. Greyson teamed up with ultra-liberal Democrat State Treasurer, and now Democrat State Chairman, Jonathan Miller to co-found Kentucky’s “Cradle-to-College” commission. Cradle-to-College is a socialist scheme that sets up college funds for newborns at birth, and then would require them to perform community service when they grow up. This is exactly the type of statism that Clinton and Obama favor!!!
5. Grayson is affiliated with the George Soros/Rockefeller funded, ultra left wing, pro-Globalist, Aspen Instutute. He completed an Aspen-Rodel fellowship program. Aspen was founded as the Aspen Institute for Humanistic Studies. Aspen recruits young ambitious politicians with “bipartisan” leanings, and then grooms them for higher office. (Notice how rapidly Grayson’s career has risen???)
Aspen’s CEO is the notorious left wing media mogul, Walter Isaacson (former CEO of CNN and managing editor of TIME) Why does Grayson boast his Aspen affiliation on his own website? No true conservative would have anything to do with Aspen - an organization that welcomes radicals like the self-admitted communist Van Jones.
By the way Kentucky’s Democrat Party Chairman Miller - the same Miller who teamed up with Grayson on the “Cradle-To-College” sceme....was a classmate of Grayson’s at Aspen. It pays to join Aspen!
6. Grayson believes in the hoax of Global Warming and even gave a keynote speech on the subject at Eastern Kentucky University for a Van Jones-sponsored “climate change” conference.
Harvard elitist -
Kennedy School -
“Cradle-to-Grave advocate” -
Wealthy Democrat banking family -
Clinton backer -
“Bi-Partisan” dealmaker -
Globalist Aspen Institute -
Ally of Jonathan Miller -
Global Warming hoaxer.
Lord Grayson III expects to be anointed by the DC Establishment. But now that his coronation is in doubt, he’s talking like a conservative.
But Kentucky conservatives and common folk shouldn’t buy what this elitist liberal RINO is selling.
Well, we’re not electing perfect people, we can only go by the best of what is offered (and sometimes that is sorely lacking). I seemed to be more excited about some Republicans when I was in my teens and 20s. Today, in my 30s, I feel more cynical, if not jaundiced, towards so many. Perhaps the best people (Conservative Republicans) that should be running don’t bother because they don’t want themselves and their families anally raped by the media. The vicious attacks on the Palins were also meant as a warning shot against any normal people looking to change our extraordinarily sick and dysfunctional government and society, to scare them out of running.
That email was pretty cheap and petty. Starting off by attacking his name ? Wow. If his middle name were Mohammad or something, maybe... “Trey” is a nickname, that’s not a state secret. He uses his initials, C.M. “Trey” Grayson. I mean, what is the big deal with that ? The rest are the same talking points you already covered. What is the source of that email ?
A Kentucky conservative.
And who is that exactly ?
A private citizen I’m sure you’ve never heard of.
In my opinion, Mr. Grayson’s chosen nickname matters. It is part of the picture I see of a spoiled-brat elitist kid who has always had everything handed to him on a silver platter. Now, admittedly, he could have come a background such as that and through strength of character overcome it. But not much of that seems evident to me. His constant superior sneer repulses me.
You’re entitled to your opinion of the man, I’m entitled to mine.
I’m sorry, EV, but when you’re getting down to stuff like names/nicknames, that’s really scraping the bottom of the barrel for pettiness. I said I’ve got three choices here. Johnson is a non-entity, Rand Paul is a visceral no-go, so that leaves Grayson. I go with the person who has already won statewide twice. You don’t like that reasoning, what can I say ?
BTW, when was that picture with Bubba taken ?
I don’t know. Looks fairly recent, though. It’s obviously not from when Grayson supported him in ‘92. He was just a pup back then.
Like I said before, your credibility is in question, in my opinion, if you ever try to tell me you want to turn the Republican Party back into a conservative party, if you go with the RINO establishment pick because of money or status or whatever, leaving true-blue Reagan conservatives like Bill Johnson standing out in the cold. You've surrendered before the battle has even been engaged.
This constant game of calculation is unfair to real conservatives in KY.
Thankfully, they're the ones who are going to make this decision. Hopefully they won't be short-changed once again by the political bookies.
EV, you’re no strategist, that’s for certain, and you don’t know how the game works (and going around saying, “That’s not how it should happen” won’t change the dynamics. That IS how it happens whether or not you or I like it. I never said I like how it is, I abhor how it is, but it is how it is, and it won’t change for this race no matter how much you try to talk). You can’t be that naive a person and not see this contest is between Grayson and Rand Paul. Your guy is a non-entity. You don’t want to hear that, I’m sorry, but it’s the truth. What I also find troubling is you’ll attack Grayson but won’t go after Paul as ferociously. Paul is a helluva lot more dangerous (with his connections to his father and his supporters) and a total unknown with respect to a public record, trying to buy this race with out of state money.
Hey, if Grayson dropped out, barring the entry of another first-tier Conservative, then I’d endorse your guy. But then how would he overcome the blizzard of Paul’s money ? What about that ? You don’t win races with what you have in your wallet. It takes REAL money.
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