Posted on 11/23/2009 4:05:33 PM PST by DecoyJames
Dad may have helped him some by dropping hints to his money people.
Rand Paul seems pretty solid. He doesn’t hold his dad’s peacenik BS beliefs, best I can tell.
As for qualifications, there are none necessary, save as spelled out in the constitution. I’d take a random selection of ex-felons over the morons there right now.
Rand Paul call himself a Constitutional Conservative, not a Libertarian. He support military trial of the terrorist and have them locked up at Gitmo. He support voting on declaring Afghan a War, to make it constitutional. He also sought for Palin’s endorsement
This makes him different to Ron Paul, his father
Rand Paul is a Palin supporter which is a plus
we don’t need another establishment gop who sit quietly in the corner and simply vote correctly, we need someone who will go to washington and make his voice heard everywhere
Oh, please. He wouldn't be running were it not for his father. He wouldn't be able to get out of the gate. Just like the Eddie Moore scenario I said above. He's using his father's fundraising network, his father's supporters. Without them, he'd be no more higher profile than the 3rd candidate in the race.
"Those "whackaloons" are the Tea Partiers, who are out there protesting the big spending and big gov't. The same volunteers and supporters who did in fact support Ron Paul and now are coming out for Palin."
I support the Tea Partiers, I also absolutely oppose Paul and Paleo-Libertarians. They are a clear and present danger to our national security, no different than the Kucinich wing of the Democrat party.
"Again, Rand's father played no role in his decision to run for Senate."
Baloney.
"He's an eye surgeon, that's good enough for me. I'm glad he's not a career politician or RNC insider. Funny how you're supporting the establishment hack (Grayson) who used to be a Democrat."
He's Ron Paul's boy first and foremost. He ain't just some lowly "eye surgeon." Oh, or have you forgotten my neighboring state had a heart surgeon for Senator with literally no prior experience. He was also a disaster who couldn't handle the Democrat opposition. As for the last comment, so was Ronald Reagan. I guess he should've been instantly disqualified from running for Governor in '66 because he had been a Democrat, too, not even a whole decade earlier. Don't think you know much about KY politics.
"That's relevant to him running for Senate, how?"
Because he's done nothing to earn the job. No work in the trenches, no work for other candidates in KY. This guy popped out of the blue, using his name and pop's connections to try to buy the nomination from the most qualified candidate in the race. I've got a big problem with that. We don't know WHERE this man stands, I can only go by whom he associates with in his candidacy, and the Paul people have quite the infamous reputation. I vigorously oppose Ron Paul as a nutter and dangerous, definitely the anti-Reagan.
"Hey, Rand can't pick and choose his parents you know."
Yeah. Yet he sure ain't hesistating to use his father's fundraising network and supporters. Nice try.
I see who his daddy is and where the money and support is coming from. That tells me all I need to know.
So what ? Or are people not allowed to learn from their mistakes ? I said he gets one chance with me to prove himself. If he screws up and becomes another Graham, I’ll be the first to call for his head. I’ve yet to see anything so far in his 6 years as KY Sec of State to indicate leftist tendencies.
No, he's not. He's a pro-choice for states, isolationist, Libertarian, just like his father. Which is why the national Paul network supports him.
See, that's the problem. You don't know for 100%. Nobody has been able to definitively claim he's not a paleo-isolationist. He's got the same supporters as his father's, and if this guy weren't that far afield from dad in his views, he'd not be getting their support. And as for the qualifications part, it may not be spelled out in the Constitution, but there are some basics that make a candidate viable in a general election, just some basic experience. You may take a random selection of ex-felons, I prefer to set the bar a little higher. I want to know they're right on the issues, aren't going to sabotage the movement, and aren't a nutter.
Actually, we need all of that. But with the right candidate. I’m not going around claiming Grayson is the second coming of Reagan, but he is certainly has more credibility and experience to be U.S. Senator. Pardon me if those matter as well. We don’t know what Ron’s boy is going to do in the Senate, but if his father is any indication, we don’t need that.
Why wait until he's got a six year term?
Grayson, on his official government website, brags about his Aspen Institute connections and training. What do you know about the Soros-funded Aspen Institute? He also touts his connection to Ted Kennedy.
And last hear he keynoted a Van Jones-sponsored climate change event at EKU.
Grayson is a chameleon. As a youth, his response to the Reagan Revolution was to become a Democrat. He led the D's at Harvard. His response to Clinton was to become a supporter. His response to the changing political landscape in KY was to become a Republican. His response to the surge of global warming malarkey was to cozy up to communists like Van Jones. His response to this current political environment is to pretend to be whatever he has to pretend to be. If elected, into whose image will he morph in Washington, DC? Harry Reid's?
I'll stick with the personhood pro-life, peace through strength, moral conservative Reaganite in this race, Bill Johnson. He's the real deal all the way around.
Why wait until he's got a six year term, AND THE POWER OF INCUMBENCY?
Just to be festive.
"Grayson, on his official government website, brags about his Aspen Institute connections and training. What do you know about the Soros-funded Aspen Institute?"
An elected official touting his being given recognition ? Quelle horror ! You'd better see who they gave recognition to this year. It includes Kelly Ayotte who is likely to be our Senate nominee in NH. I guess she's got to be taken out, too, eh ?
"He also touts his connection to Ted Kennedy."
He cited his being part of a group of elected officials to participate in Harvard's Institute of Politics. A lot of people have participated in that in both parties. Would I cite Ted personally ? Not really.
"And last hear he keynoted a Van Jones-sponsored climate change event at EKU."
Van Jones was there ? Or was this just another conference politicians attend on a frequent basis where you can play gotcha either way ?
"Grayson is a chameleon. As a youth, his response to the Reagan Revolution was to become a Democrat. He led the D's at Harvard. His response to Clinton was to become a supporter."
Is he supporting Clinton now ? The radical Marxist agenda ?
"His response to the changing political landscape in KY was to become a Republican."
That was not exactly a potentially winning move. Republicans rarely win statewide in KY.
"His response to the surge of global warming malarkey was to cozy up to communists like Van Jones."
So he's close friends with Van Jones ?
"His response to this current political environment is to pretend to be whatever he has to pretend to be. If elected, into whose image will he morph in Washington, DC? Harry Reid's?"
I give him one chance to prove himself, EV. That's all I can do. Unless there is a glaring public example of his being a left-wing RINO during his time as Sec of State (which there isn't), I see nothing yet to indicate he will turn into Harry Reid in the Senate.
"I'll stick with the personhood pro-life, peace through strength, moral conservative Reaganite in this race, Bill Johnson. He's the real deal all the way around."
Well, you can do that, that's your right. I'm sure Mr. Johnson is a fine man, but he has no money, no name recognition and like Rand Paul, zero electoral or substantive political experience, running for an office that is over his head. He will get in the single digits in the primary, little more than a desultory sub-second tier candidate. I'm supporting Grayson until such time as he gives me reason to oppose him.
Enjoy the party.
Support for empty-suited unprincipled candidates like Grayson proves that conservatives who say they want to "take their party back" for conservatism aren't serious.
EV, I love you, man. I appreciate your principled stances, but you have to weigh a great many things when you’ve got candidates running for office. First and foremost is viability. If they don’t pass the viability test for the general election, it’s all just a wasted exercise. If we did it your way with backing candidates, however principled, for the general, we’d find ourselves with a Congress made up of 95% Democrats or more. You need to step back and see where I’m coming from here. We’ve got to have people in the game (I know you hate that description, but that’s just how it is), or we’re totally shut out. You have to realize that.
I’d urge your Mr. Johnson to set his sights lower, win an office he can have an impact in, state legislature for example, make his mark there, build a record, build name recognition, and then he’ll be ready to move up. That’s how you do it. That’s the best piece of advice I’d give Mr. Johnson.
Yeah, well, I know even less about the other guy, and little of it is very good.
Every politician is a pig in a poke. Maybe Rand is a secret pacifist. Then again, he could be a big government nanny stater. Which is worse?
No one voting for Mark Foley figgered he was a gonna be chasing teenage boys around the capital. No one figgered that war hero Duke Cunningham would become a complete corrupto-crat, etc, etc.
All I know is that this country would be better off with 535 San Quentin inmates or 535 mongoloids running the show.
Just received in my email box from an actual Kentuckian:
Here is a fact sheet on Trey Grayson. BTW his name isn’t Trey at all. It is Charles Merwin Grayson III.
Now that Charles Merwin Grayson III (aka Trey) is behind in the polls, his rhetoric is “moving towards the right.” But is Trey really a conservative...or is he a RINO (Republican-In-Name-Only)?
Kentucky conservatives would do well to keep these UNDENIABLE FACTS in mind:
1. Grayson graduated from Harvard’s Kennedy School of Government (where free enterprise is laughed at but socialism is praised).
2. Grayson voted for Bill Clinton in 1992, then opportunistically switched parties after the anti-Clinton backlash and GOP landslide of 1994. Allegations that Grayson was actually a delegate for Clinton have yet to be confimed or denied.
3. Grayson’s rich banker daddy was a long time donor to liberal Democrat candidates. Daddy Grayson’s bank was also a recipient of TARP bailout money.
4. Greyson teamed up with ultra-liberal Democrat State Treasurer, and now Democrat State Chairman, Jonathan Miller to co-found Kentucky’s “Cradle-to-College” commission. Cradle-to-College is a socialist scheme that sets up college funds for newborns at birth, and then would require them to perform community service when they grow up. This is exactly the type of statism that Clinton and Obama favor!!!
5. Grayson is affiliated with the George Soros/Rockefeller funded, ultra left wing, pro-Globalist, Aspen Instutute. He completed an Aspen-Rodel fellowship program. Aspen was founded as the Aspen Institute for Humanistic Studies. Aspen recruits young ambitious politicians with “bipartisan” leanings, and then grooms them for higher office. (Notice how rapidly Grayson’s career has risen???)
Aspen’s CEO is the notorious left wing media mogul, Walter Isaacson (former CEO of CNN and managing editor of TIME) Why does Grayson boast his Aspen affiliation on his own website? No true conservative would have anything to do with Aspen - an organization that welcomes radicals like the self-admitted communist Van Jones.
By the way Kentucky’s Democrat Party Chairman Miller - the same Miller who teamed up with Grayson on the “Cradle-To-College” sceme....was a classmate of Grayson’s at Aspen. It pays to join Aspen!
6. Grayson believes in the hoax of Global Warming and even gave a keynote speech on the subject at Eastern Kentucky University for a Van Jones-sponsored “climate change” conference.
Harvard elitist -
Kennedy School -
“Cradle-to-Grave advocate” -
Wealthy Democrat banking family -
Clinton backer -
“Bi-Partisan” dealmaker -
Globalist Aspen Institute -
Ally of Jonathan Miller -
Global Warming hoaxer.
Lord Grayson III expects to be anointed by the DC Establishment. But now that his coronation is in doubt, he’s talking like a conservative.
But Kentucky conservatives and common folk shouldn’t buy what this elitist liberal RINO is selling.
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