Another source, Kenyan Historian states Obama is a Kenyan citizen

http://nobarack08.wordpress.com/2009/11/15/kenyan-historian-ali-mazrui-states-obama-kenyan-citizen/ ^ | Nov 15,2009 | syc1959

[syc1959]

Here is an interesting article and audio.

http://www.archive.org/details/OtunnuOnLuoTribeMemberBeingElectedPresidentOct.252008

Otunnu on Luo Tribe Member Being Elected President, Oct. 25, 2008

Olara Otunnu (Harvard Law, 1978) relating the remark of Kenyan historian Ali Mazrui on the oddity that a member of Kenya’s Luo tribe (Barack Obama, a Kenyan citizen and Luo tribe member from birth) may become president of the United States before a Luo tribe member becomes president of Kenya. “Town Hall Forum: An Examination of Race, Age, Gender & Religion in the 2008 Election,” Harvard Law School Reunions, Oct. 25, 2008, 9:15 a.m. (Austin Hall, 1st Floor, West), at 60:17 mark.

Notice that it is a Kenyan historian that states Barack Obama is a Kenyan citizen and Luo tribe member from BIRTH!

US Natural Born citizen = US Citizen + US Allegiance + US Jurisdiction

Obama is a British subject, allegiance to the British Crown, under the British Nationality Act of 1948

Remember this was done BEFORE the election, but after numerous requests during the primary for Barack Hussein Obama to PROVE his eligibility per the United States Constitution. After the election the Kenyan Parliment stated the following;

NATIONAL ASSEMBLY OFFICIAL REPORT

Wednesday, 5th November, 2008

The House met at 9.00 a.m.

Dr. Khalwale: On a point of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. You have heard none other than the Leader of Government Business acknowledge that because of Obama’s win in the United States of America (USA), the House is crippled.

Could we allow him to move a Motion for Adjournment so that we could also continue the celebrations of having a Kenyan ruling the USA? I humbly request! *****[note - "having a Kenyan ruling the USA"!]

Read the rest and more here: http://nobarack08.wordpress.com/2009/11/15/kenyan-historian-ali-mazrui-states-obama-kenyan-citizen/

[Red Steel]

To backup my last post:

"Plot Thickens After Checking Records (Kerry Silver Star V Device Questioned by Chi. Sun-Times)
Chicago Sun-Times ^ | Friday, August 27, 2004 | Thomas Lipscomb

Posted on Friday, August 27, 2004 5:41:58 AM by kristinn

-snip-

"Reporting by the Washington Post's Michael Dobbs points out that although the Kerry campaign insists that it has released Kerry's full military records, the Post was only able to get six pages of records under its Freedom of Information Act request out of the "at least a hundred pages" a Naval Personnel Office spokesman called the "full file."

What could that more than 100 pages contain? "

-end snip-

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1200746/posts

[MamaDearest]

When does he show any natural allegiance to America or things American ?

He bashes America every chance he gets. He also does NOT respect the pledge of allegiance or the American flag as shown in several photos. The mere fact he's iinvested so much money in preventing anyone and everyone from ever seeing his personal information smacks of something sinister. To date it appears judges are complicit in concealing his documentation and IMHO these judges are traitors to our nation and should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law if somehow, some way, some time this issue is blown wide open and there is lawful revelation of this entire conspiracy between Obama and those who protect his true identity and/or documentation.

It could be as simple as the fraudulent college registration as a foreign student, or something much much more devious. His actions betray truth.

[STARWISE]

What a rotten sob.

He’s not fit to be in the same
room with George W. Bush.

[Candor7]

Having fun are we? Looks like running to mama is what this is all about.In any event, it would seem that the issue of Obumsters constitutional qualification is yet again cycling towards the forefront of the American collective unconscious.

Will the press be able to white wash the issue once more, with the help of the obot net troll brigade and the whining afterbirthers ( unbirthers) ?

No , we have many,many more arrows to shoot. The story still has legs and will carry right in to the 2010 election run up.

AND WE HAVE HELPED KEEP IT ALIVE! YAYYYYYY!

I prefer the pejorative term afterbirthers. And we should be proud to be their complete opposite,”birthers.”

[pissant]

JAN is a superstar

[STARWISE]

You bet.

[STARWISE]

Looks like running to mama is what this is all about

~~~~~~~~

Looks like running to mama is what this is all about

~~~~~~~~

What do you mean ?

[Just A Nobody]

Thanks RS. Wish I could ping Tonkin to this post. ;*(
He would have every word ever written about the pos as would Ted Sampley. All my files on J Effin are on other computers, not accessible at the moment.

[Just A Nobody]

Totally agree — on both points!

[mojitojoe]

:) :) :) None of the above, keep trying

[El Gato]

A purported copy of Sen. McCain's long-form birth certificate was released as a result of Hollander v. McCain, a lawsuit challenging the natural born citizenship status of the then–presidential candidate. The Dallas Morning News also posted a short-form certificate.

both of which were not provided by McCain, and both of which were fake.

[how is it that a law suit challenging McCain's NBC was able to be heard, but none against Barry Soetoro?]

The suit against McCain was also dismissed before getting to the factual issues.

[mojitojoe]

WOW you hit a home run with that one. I’m saving it. TY

[thouworm]

I think about that too. I have always thought he made this early trip. Was his mother’s trip in 1983 also?

I think there may have been NO will... and
“Unlike my mum, Ruth has all the documents needed to prove who Mark’s father was. “

Mark made a claim as a legitimate heir. What documents would have been required?

Otherwise, if there was a will, BHO, Sr simply would have named his beneficiaries.

[mojitojoe]

ty for the ping. Good stuff indeed.

[April Lexington]

Obama proudly touted his Kenyan birth before he ran for president.

Obama is and will be whomever and whatever he needs to be to get what he wants. His communist masters know this and have exploited his insanity to their advantage. Obama is the stooge for very powerful and nasty people who hate our guts and will stop at nothing to destroy us, political dissent and individual freedom...

[STARWISE]

“Unlike my mum, Ruth has all the documents needed to prove who Mark’s father was.“

~~~~~

Why would Stanley Ann or Toot not be
able to provide him the paperwork that
ID’d his father?

Is that a clue that Sr was not his father
or more smoke and mirrors?

[thouworm]

Thanks for editorial ping :-) -— your so good.

[thouworm]

that’s why I wondered what documentS would have been required -— other than a birth certificate. I don’t think this has ever been discussed before.

[editor-surveyor]

God help us all if he still will!

[Fred Nerks]

Otherwise, if there was a will, BHO, Sr simply would have named his beneficiaries.

And if there had been a Will, all the beneficiaries needed to do, was provide some proof of their identity, correct?

[Fred Nerks]

Is that a clue that Sr was not his father or more smoke and mirrors?

It may be a clue...but it's a clue that points to all of Kezia's children as well.

[STARWISE]

But all that would be needed would
be the birth certificate ... right?

[Just A Nobody]

In one of "his" books didn't he say he found his birth certificate? A real bc would ID his father, if indeed his mom knew who it was.

Is that a clue that Sr was not his father

That would be my initial thought.

[trumandogz]

That is about one of THE stupidest statements I’ve ever seen here.

We will see about that.

has a father who was a citizen of a foreign country when he was born (in a direct flaunting of our Constitution and its intent for potus citizenship)

Could you please point me to the place in the Constitution or any legislation that states that a person must have two US citizen parents in order to be a natural born citizen?

And if the Constitution is so "direct" on this question, why is it that neither John McCain or Sarah Palin referenced Obama's NBC status during the 2008 election?

And why is it that Chief Justice John Roberts, who I assume to be a better legal scholar than most, elected to deliver the Oath of Office to Obama?

was born into a maternal family of documented communists and liberal activists

While that may be true, it does not Constitutionally disqualify a person from being president.

traveled to Pakistan when there was a war ongoing, wherein Americans were urged strongly to stay away

Wow, it was just a few months ago that "birthers" were claiming that it was illegal for Americans to travel to Pakistan in 1981 and now Americans were urged to stay away. What has changed?

As for myself, I have lived, worked in and travelled to at least a dozen countries where there was a State Department travel warning issued. Does that fact make me less of an American and could you point to to the place in the Constitution that prohibits a person who has travelled to a dangerous place from being president?

has purposely sealed every bit of past history possible from public knowledge; i.e., college records, scholarships, if any, college theses.

As you may have read in my previous posts, I would be supportive of any national or state legislation that would require presidential candidates to produce a birth certificate, college transcripts and full medical records prior to their name being placed on a ballot.

Do you support such legislation?

has paid teams of high powered lawyers nearly $2M to fight lawsuits asking for proof that he is Constitutionally eligible and was to run for and BE in this power office,a critical issue the Founders required to prevent divided national allegiance

And that is why I support a system of "Loser Pays" as far as lawsuits are concerned.

Thus if those pursuing the case against Obama prove their allegation in a court of law, President Obama would have to pay all of the plaintiff's and government's legal fees.

And of those pursuing the case against Obama fail to prove their case, those plaintiffs would have to pay the legal fees of Obama and the government.

Are you a conservative that believes in tort reform, including a system of "Loser Pays?"

And while all of you assertions against Obama may be true, none are violations of Article II of the Constitution nor are any what could be considered high crimes or misdemeanors

[BP2]

hmmm ...

posting this HERE before it disappears, too:

Barack Obama. A true “Afrinam” and a senator from Illinois “ ... highest honor that can bestowed on him by his community, his peers and AFRINAM. ...

What is AFRINAM (afrinam.org/page5.html)?

The website went defunct in June 2009, and is no longer in the caches or in
Archive.org.

Possible links to Houk Development Company (?) ... and other cross-references
to http://geocities.com/case.carlos/baraqobama

[trumandogz]

As I have said several times on this thread, I would support state or federal legislation that would require ALL presidential candidates to produce a birth certificate, college transcripts and full medical records prior to having their name placed on a ballot.

However, I am confused as to why so many here are interested in viewing Obama’s passport file.

What would one expect to find in a State Department passport file?

[BP2]

Could you please point me to the place in the Constitution or any legislation that states that a person must have two US citizen parents in order to be a natural born citizen?

Could you please point to a place in the Constitution that allows WOMEN to serve as the President, VP, Representatives or Senators? (Hint: you WON'T; they have the right to VOTE per the 19th Amendment, but not to serve ...)

[trumandogz]

Well, considering that Jeannette Rankin was elected to Congress prior to the 19th Amendment being passed, it would be obvious that he 19th had nothing to do with women holding national public office.

And Article I does not seem to specify that a member of the House or Senate must be male.

[trumandogz]

Actually, if you would have read my post you would have seen that I stated that I never said that Obama was honest.

However, can think of very few if any political office holders who are honest.

Now, why is it that only certain presidents should be made to produce such documentation?

After all, it seems that i am the only one here that advocates a law that would require all presidential candidates to produce a birth certificate, college transcripts and full medical records.

[trumandogz]

I’ll tell you what you are doing - YOU are turning everything on it’s head.

Actually, no.

Instead, all I have done is ask people to support the claim that Obama once "proudly touted his Kenyan birth."

And I have proposed that laws be passed that would require all future presidential candidates produce their birth certificate. college transcript and full medical records before having their names placed on the ballot.

[danamco]

If no one has produced a debate tape of Obama saying he was born in Kenya, the tape does not exist.

Two posts above yours, there are three videos of evidence, and I have seen a few more out there that have confirmed his Kenyan birth with sworn affidavits!!!

Now how many more videos do you need for this to get into your shrinking doggy head???

BTW do you get an orgasm every time you show up here to dispute and make distraction of the NBC issue???

[danamco]

And both of your videos had screw ups regarding the Constitution!!!

Can you produce a video from the second swearing in incidents???

[danamco]

What are the House and Senate Republicans waiting for?

What are Chief Justice Roberts and Justices Scalia, Thomas and Alito waiting for?

What those Great American talk show hosts waiting for?

---

By preserving their gigs, you may have the answer here, and there is more from the CFP’s intelligence as well:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAaQNACwaLw

[wintertime]

I have not claimed on this thread that **you** think Obama or any other politician is honest or honorable. I asked the following ( which you still have not answered):

An honest man would **HONORED** to prove in every way possible and to anyone ( even a nut) that he was a natural born citizen and eligible to be president. He would do this promptly!

So...You still have NOT answered the following two questions:

**What do Obama’s actions concerning his natural born status have to say about his honor and honest?

**What does Obama’s actions have to say about the honor and honesty of the people defending him?

[penelopesire]

Excellent post! Going in the ‘FReeper Keeper’ file!

[Just another Joe]

I don't disagree with any of your statements.
However, there used to be a higher degree of verification needed to have an assertation on Free Republic to stand. Not just an, "I said so".

That was my point.

Whether or not truemandogz is a BC troll, or not, all he has done is to ask for proof, not an, "I said so".

[BP2]

> Could you please point me to the place in the
> Constitution or any legislation that states that a
> person must have two US citizen parents in order to
> be a natural born citizen?

>> Well, considering that Jeannette Rankin was elected to
>> Congress prior to the 19th Amendment being passed, it
>> would be obvious that he 19th had nothing to do with
>> women holding national public office.

>> And Article I does not seem to specify that a member
>> of the House or Senate must be male.

LOL.

Well, um, yeah ... as you're likely reading off a DailyKos talking points memo, I can see where you are misinformed. There IS no substitution for actually READING the darn thing!

Here, let me help you by showing you the applicable portions of the source document — the U.S. Constitution:

Article I, Section 2, Clause 2:
“No Person shall be a Representative who shall not have attained to the Age of twenty five Years, and been seven Years a Citizen of the United States, and who shall not, when elected, be an Inhabitant of that State in which he shall be chosen.”

Article I, Section 3, Clause 3:
“No Person shall be a Senator who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty Years, and been nine Years a Citizen of the United States, and who shall not, when elected, be an Inhabitant of that State for which he shall be chosen.”

Article II, Section 1, Clause 1:
“The Executive Power shall be vested in a President of the United States of America. He shall hold his term during the next four Years, and, together with the Vice-President chosen for the same Term, be elected, as follows ...”

So, again, I ask:

Could you please point to a place in the Constitution that allows WOMEN to serve as the President, VP, Representatives or Senators?

Heck ... I'll even take an applicable Federal court case opinion that "re-defines" the word HE as a Constitutional gender-neutral pronoun.

[MHGinTN]

bwahahahahahaha ... amazxing how funny Logic can be don’tchaknow.

[BP2]

> bwahahahahahaha ... amazxing how funny Logic can be don’tchaknow.

Only the screwed-up logic of an Obot ;)

OBVIOUSLY women can serve in these offices. It's understood.

But I cite this to demonstrate how Liberals are oh-so-willing to pick and choose what they want out of the Constitution to suit their own political ends.

It's similar to the Liberal interpretation that Universal Health Care is mandated in the Preamble via the words, “promote the general Welfare.”

It's not until nearly 220 years after the Constitution was written, that a charismatic, well-financed, Constitutional lawyer parses the intention of the Framers as to the meaning of “Natural Born Citizen” for his own political gain — enter Obama from stage Left.

As we KNOW, only Obama's mother was a US Citizen - his father was NOT:

"When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4,1961, in Honolulu, Kenya was a British colony, still part of the United Kingdom’s dwindling empire. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.‘s children."

HOWEVER, it is universally known how the Framers defined “Natural Born Citizen.”

Vattel's "The Law of Nations" was THE reference used by the Framers to define,
among other parts of the Constitution, the phrase "Natural Born Citizen"
(NOTE the words "nativeS", "citizenS", "parentS"):




Vattel's "The Law of Nations" is THE reference the Framers used to construct the Declaration of Independence & US Constitution, as Ben Franklin reveals:



So SIGNIFICANT was the "The Law of Nations" to our Founders that it was ONE of the ONLY TWO books purchased by Congress for use in writing laws in the 1700s:

There REALLY is no debate as to HOW the Framers and citizens alive at the time — many of whom were immigrants and/or dual-citizens themselves — defined "natural-born Citizen" or WHO they turned to define "natural-born Citizen" ...

[mojitojoe]

Once again, wowed by your knowledge and perfection in your posts. You are an amazing Freeper. Seriously, you are.

[BP2]

> Once again, wowed by your knowledge and perfection in
> your posts. You are an amazing Freeper. Seriously, you
> are.

Well, thank you. YOU rock too!

All in a good day's work!

And it's refreshing to see that Phase 3 of Operation Chaos
is running ahead of schedule ;)

Rasmussen: Number of Democrats in US Falls to Four Year Low...
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2397810/posts

UK climate scientist to temporarily step down
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2397805/posts

It'll be fun to see the Dems get hammered by their Liberal base if they DON'T pass ObamaCare OR hammered by the rest of the nation if they DO pass ObamaCare.

Either way — it sucks to be them. LOL!

And when the Eligibility suits work their way up the food chain for proper Judicial review, it will be the icing on the cake — and a death nail to Liberalism for many, many years to come!

[trumandogz]

Once again, the writings of 19th century Swiss philosophers are not governing documents.

And interestingly, the English version of Vattel that you cite was not published until 1797, ten years after out Constitution was ratified.

“The Law of Nations, or, principles of the law of nature, applied to the conduct and affairs of nations and sovereigns. Translated from the French by Joseph Chitty, Esq. Based on the 1797 edition, republished by T. & J. W. Johnson, law booksellers, Philadelphia (1853), together with additional notes and references by Edward D. Ingraham, Esq. Ingraham’s annotations have been omitted.”

http://www.lonang.com/exlibris/vattel/

Perhaps, our Framers had a Time Machine!

[mojitojoe]

Either way — it sucks to be them. LOL!
____________
Indeed it does and many libs do not like the health care plan either. It sucks, nobody can honestly say it doesn’t.

[trumandogz]

Thanks for posting a link to “The Obama Deception” a Film by Alex Jones.

Now, lets review some of Alex Jones other works:

Dark Secrets Inside Bohemian Grove
The 9/11 Chronicles: Part 1, Truth Rising
TerrorStorm: A History of Government-Sponsored Terrorism — Second Edition (2007)
Endgame: Blueprint for Global Enslavement (2007)
Martial Law 9-11: Rise of the Police State (2005)
Police State 3: Total Enslavement (2003)
911: The Road to Tyranny (2002)
American Dictators: Documenting the Staged Election of 2004 by Kevin Booth and Alex Jones (2004) (Video)
Loose Change (2005, 2006, 2007, 2009)

So, you are linking a film by Alex Jones, the same Alex Jones who has made films about the staging of the 2004 Presidential Election (Bush stole the 2004 Election) and various films including “Loose Change” a film where Alex Jones claims that elements high in the US government (Bush & Cheney) staged the Terrorist Attacks of 9/11?

I did not realize that there were Alex Jones Followers here on Free Republic.

And yes, this would be the same Alex Jones who has produced all those “9/11 Was an Inside Job” bumper stickers.

LOL!!!

[Landru]

"And I have proposed that laws be passed that would require all future presidential candidates produce their birth certificate. college transcript and full medical records before having their names placed on the ballot."

Now that's power. LOL

Hey, I'm with ya. LOL!!

[STARWISE]

Thank you, BP .. I love this part. It's exemplifies what the Founders and all reasonable citizens believe should be imbued in all Americans, and most certainly in the man who holds the highest office in the United States of America:

a fundamental and inborn natural love of country (and my thought: an inborn feeling of protectiveness toward it)

~~~~~~~~

"We have been obliged to anticipation of the definition of the term native country, because our subject led us to treat of the love of our country – a virtue so excellent and so necessary in a state."

Thence the paragraph following describes how natural love of country is imbued in civil society by virtue of its citizens being born to that land.

~~~~~~~~~

We just don't truly yet know to which country 0's love and protectiveness is extended, if any. It certainly hasn't been naturally exhibited toward the USA.

And here we suffer the repercussions of that very doubtful inborn love, allegiance and protectiveness of country.

He roots passionately for the Chicago White Sox .. pathetic that his country and her citizens don't elicit that same passion, protectiveness and devotion.

[rxsid]

Only the writings of our framers (ultimately - via the Constitution) and Congress (via laws they've passed, but subject to test's of "Constitutionally" allowed) subsequently are our "governing" documents. They clearly were influenced by Vattel in writing both the Deceleration and the Constitution.

As far as what version of Vattel the framers would have access to, here it is:

Translating the French text: "les naturels, ou indigenes, sont ceux qui sont nes dans le pays, de parents citoyens"

To English, gives this: "the natural, or indigenous, are those born in the country, parents who are citizens"

[Beckwith]

I will stand with Dick Cheney, Chief Justice Roberts and the entirety of the House of Representatives who have all gone on the record acknowledging that Obama is qualified to be president.

Now, you've gone too far. That's 437 sources, with accompanying links that acknowledge Obama is qualified to be president.

Get 'em up bigmouth. All 437 -- or STFU.

You owe me 437 documented sources.

[Beckwith]

Thank you ma'am.

Your post, suggesting that everyone shun trumandogz is the most intelligent one on this thread.

I challenged her to provide sources for her boast that Cheney, Chief Justice Roberts and all of the members of the House have certified Obama as eligible -- that's 437 sources, with links.

She won't. She can't.

It is my one and only reply to that idiot.

[Beckwith]

What do Obama’s actions say about the honor and honesty of those who defend him?

Obama, honor and honesty in the same sentence.

I didn't think it was possible.