Posted on 11/27/2009 12:02:11 PM PST by syc1959
Here is an interesting article and audio.
http://www.archive.org/details/OtunnuOnLuoTribeMemberBeingElectedPresidentOct.252008
Otunnu on Luo Tribe Member Being Elected President, Oct. 25, 2008
Olara Otunnu (Harvard Law, 1978) relating the remark of Kenyan historian Ali Mazrui on the oddity that a member of Kenya’s Luo tribe (Barack Obama, a Kenyan citizen and Luo tribe member from birth) may become president of the United States before a Luo tribe member becomes president of Kenya. “Town Hall Forum: An Examination of Race, Age, Gender & Religion in the 2008 Election,” Harvard Law School Reunions, Oct. 25, 2008, 9:15 a.m. (Austin Hall, 1st Floor, West), at 60:17 mark.
Notice that it is a Kenyan historian that states Barack Obama is a Kenyan citizen and Luo tribe member from BIRTH!
US Natural Born citizen = US Citizen + US Allegiance + US Jurisdiction
Obama is a British subject, allegiance to the British Crown, under the British Nationality Act of 1948
Remember this was done BEFORE the election, but after numerous requests during the primary for Barack Hussein Obama to PROVE his eligibility per the United States Constitution. After the election the Kenyan Parliment stated the following;
NATIONAL ASSEMBLY OFFICIAL REPORT
Wednesday, 5th November, 2008
The House met at 9.00 a.m.
Dr. Khalwale: On a point of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. You have heard none other than the Leader of Government Business acknowledge that because of Obama’s win in the United States of America (USA), the House is crippled.
Could we allow him to move a Motion for Adjournment so that we could also continue the celebrations of having a Kenyan ruling the USA? I humbly request! *****[note - "having a Kenyan ruling the USA"!]
Read the rest and more here: http://nobarack08.wordpress.com/2009/11/15/kenyan-historian-ali-mazrui-states-obama-kenyan-citizen/
(Excerpt) Read more at nobarack08.wordpress.com ...
I believe trumandogz did have an answer, albeit it was somewhat indirect. Let me answer it a bit more directly.
**What do Obama’s actions concerning his natural born status have to say about his honor and honest?
He's neither an honest man nor an honorable man. Unfortunately, however, neither honor nor honesty are necessary to be eligible for the presidency.
Simply pointing out that he is in fact eligible to be president in no way implies that he's a good president. I don't see why birthers have such difficulty in grasping this very simple point.
**What does Obama’s actions have to say about the honor and honesty of the people defending him?
It depends on what, specifically, they are defending. Obama is a horrible president who would destroy the country if he had his way, but not everything he's done in his life is blameworthy.
For example, he did nothing wrong by traveling to Pakistan in the 1980's. Likewise, it wasn't his decision to register as a Muslim when he attended school in Indonesia, nor was it his decision to go to Indonesia in the first place, so it makes no sense to attack him for these things. Yet birthers do it nonetheless.
Furthermore, birthers make up things to attack him on, such as the charge he registered as a foreign student at Occidental, or the charge that he's spent millions of dollars on defending birthers lawsuits. These are complete fabrications, and yet birthers continue to repeat them as if they were gospel truth.
I would say that people who viscerally oppose Obama's politics, but nonetheless defend him from such nonsensical attacks, are behaving quite honestly and honorably.
The same cannot be said for birthers who attack him for spurious reasons.
In point of fact, people like you do the conservative movement great harm in that you are distracting the public from the valid arguments against Obama.
You changed your statement. But that’s what liberals do.
Bingo! Obama is neither honest or honorable.
The remainder of your comment is irrelevant to the question.
Furthermore, birthers make up things to attack him on, such as the charge he registered as a foreign student at Occidental, or the charge that he's spent millions of dollars on defending birthers lawsuits. These are complete fabrications, and yet birthers continue to repeat them as if they were gospel truth.
Whoa!...We certainly know a lot more about your honor and honesty in defending Obama!
When did **you** get to personally examine Obama's Occidental records? Please provide the links where others have **personally** and fully examined these records and stated the citizenship Obama listed on his application.
So, you contend that there are only two classifications of citizen — natural born and naturalized.
By your definition, anchor babies are natural born citizens and are eligible to serve as Commander-in-Chief.
I’ll take a pound of what you’re smokin’.
You act as if this is some sort of profound revelation.
I don't get who you would be so amazed by a fellow Freeper stating something that is obvious to any conservative.
The remainder of your comment is irrelevant to the question.
Your question is irrelevant to his eligiblity.
Whoa!...We certainly know a lot more about your honor and honesty in defending Obama!
I don't defend him. Knocking down kooky conspiracy theories about a person isn't the same thing as a defending him.
When did **you** get to personally examine Obama's Occidental records? Please provide the links where others have **personally** and fully examined these records and stated the citizenship Obama listed on his application.
The burden of proof lies on those who make an assertion, not on those who are skeptical of it.
As of yet, birthers haven't provided a single shred of evidence that even makes the foreign student story pluasible, let alone proves it. That's a pretty good indication someone just made it up.
Yes. Those are the only two identified by the Constitution.
By your definition, anchor babies are natural born citizens and are eligible to serve as Commander-in-Chief.
Alas, yes.
I’ll take a pound of what you’re smokin’.
I honestly don't think you need any more of anything, given the bizarre nature of your posts. But by all means quote the clause of the Constitution or the law that defines natural-born citizenship in the manner you think it means.
Again....What does this say about your honesty and honor?
When did you get to see Obama’s Occidental records? Please post where others have.
An honest man would be HONORED for fully and promptly prove in every way possible that he was eligible to be president. He would do this even for a nut.
What does Obama’s action say about his honesty and honor? Plenty! As you have so stated.
What does it say about **your** honor and honesty? Well? Your above comment also says plenty!
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthers/occidental.asp
The fact that birthers would use a rumor originating as an April fools joke as the basis for some of their claims tells me quite a lot about how unhinged these jokers really are.
Since your mentor Emanuel, the ballet dancer, have taught you the skills of side-stepping, I just ask you again to answering the following:
“And, also since you always show up and you are a “master” of taking everything apart,..misleading... I may say, so please be our guest here to take this movie apart. Tell us, instead of LOL, what in this movie is NOT fitting in with your usurper in the W.H.”???
Failing that, my money is on the Mossad getting to the real COLB, as this guy is proving to be no friend of Israel.
Let Right Be Done
It shows I'm willing to debunk fabricated charges against a man I loath. I'll let others decide whether they think that's honorable or not.
When did you get to see Obama’s Occidental records?
I haven't, but I'm not the one making claims about what's in them.
You don't seem to understand the concept of "burden of proof."
While you're at it, can you name a single scholarship or fellowship that was available to Occidental undergraduates who were Indonesian citizens but not US citizens?
I'll give you a hint: there weren't any.
An honest man would be HONORED for fully and promptly prove in every way possible that he was eligible to be president. He would do this even for a nut.
Yes, we all know he's not an honest or honorable man. Now what?
What does it say about **your** honor and honesty? Well? Your above comment also says plenty!
Yes, I think it says a lot, and I'm qutie happy to have my honor and honesty compared to yours any day.
The truth doesn’t matter. It’s the severity of the charge.
Are you dyslexia?
Or are you only using one side of your brain??
All the facts are all spelled out clearly in post #189 for you and pals curiosity and N-S to see, what is that you don't understand???
No it doesn't. In fact, there's not a shred of evidence to suggest he was born anywhere other than Hawaii.
You are using Saul Alinsky tactics here to scew the truth, because we FReepers were the very first to claim it a fake by immediately pointing out the date!!!
Obama had Perkins and Cole file a couple routine motions to dismiss. That doesn't cost $1.5 million dollars, or whatever the latest made-up birther figure happens to be.
A genuine Hawaiian birth certificate with a doctor's signature would make all of the law suits go away.
LOL. If you really believe that, I've got a bridge to sell you.
Okay, so upon what do you base your belief that he attended Occidental as a foreign student?
Moreover, the direct translation of the text in question does not include the term “natural born citizen.”
Finally, our laws are based on the Constitution, not writings of Swiss philosophers.
It would be such wonderful irony if Israel was responsible for outing the muslim fraud who calls himself Obama.
Here's some evidence for you:
- The Kenyan grandma admitting that she witnessed Obama's birth in Kenya before she remembered the official line.
- The many African newspapers proclaiming Obama is Kenyan born.
- The many statements by Kenyan Parliament member on the 5th of November 2008. One member in particular saying Obama is "the son of the soil" of Kenyan and the Obama "originates from Kenya"
- The Kenyan ambassador in an unguarded moment all but admitted to Obama was from Kenya.
- Lucas Smith's Obama Kenyan birth certificate has not been refuted with satisfaction as to be a forgery; As a matter of fact, Smith has done a good job at countering the claims.
- The Kenyan government has passed law to build a shrine (cost $1.5 million) to Barack Obama in his hometown of Kogelo, Kenya. A Kenyan shrine to a foreigner? LoL!
What do you got as evidence?
- A Hawaiian newspaper birth announcement that does not say to were Obama was born.
- A .jpg image purported to be Obama's Hawaiian Certification Of Live Birth (COLB) that has not stood up to scrutiny as genuine - it's a forgery. If the document was real Obama would have submitted it to a court BECAUSE it would be his best evidence bordering on proof. Logical conclusion: it's a forgery and all other excuses to why Obama has not submitted it as evidence are lame and stupid.
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