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To: MHGinTN; trumandogz; Canadian Outrage; chris37; LucyT; mojitojoe; Candor7; STARWISE; All

> bwahahahahahaha ... amazxing how funny Logic can be don’tchaknow.

Only the screwed-up logic of an Obot ;)

OBVIOUSLY women can serve in these offices. It's understood.

But I cite this to demonstrate how Liberals are oh-so-willing to pick and choose what they want out of the Constitution to suit their own political ends.

It's similar to the Liberal interpretation that Universal Health Care is mandated in the Preamble via the words, “promote the general Welfare.”

It's not until nearly 220 years after the Constitution was written, that a charismatic, well-financed, Constitutional lawyer parses the intention of the Framers as to the meaning of “Natural Born Citizen” for his own political gain — enter Obama from stage Left.

As we KNOW, only Obama's mother was a US Citizen - his father was NOT:


"When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4,1961, in Honolulu, Kenya was a British colony, still part of the United Kingdom’s dwindling empire. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.‘s children."


HOWEVER, it is universally known how the Framers defined “Natural Born Citizen.”

Vattel's "The Law of Nations" was THE reference used by the Framers to define,
among other parts of the Constitution, the phrase "Natural Born Citizen"
(NOTE the words "nativeS", "citizenS", "parentS"):

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Vattel's "The Law of Nations" is THE reference the Framers used to construct the Declaration of Independence & US Constitution, as Ben Franklin reveals:

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So SIGNIFICANT was the "The Law of Nations" to our Founders that it was ONE of the ONLY TWO books purchased by Congress for use in writing laws in the 1700s:
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There REALLY is no debate as to HOW the Framers and citizens alive at the time — many of whom were immigrants and/or dual-citizens themselves — defined "natural-born Citizen" or WHO they turned to define "natural-born Citizen" ...


189 posted on 12/01/2009 11:02:38 AM PST by BP2 (I think, therefore I'm a conservative)
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To: BP2

Once again, wowed by your knowledge and perfection in your posts. You are an amazing Freeper. Seriously, you are.


190 posted on 12/01/2009 12:17:08 PM PST by mojitojoe (“Medicine is the keystone of the arch of socialism.” - Vladimir Lenin)
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To: BP2

Once again, the writings of 19th century Swiss philosophers are not governing documents.

And interestingly, the English version of Vattel that you cite was not published until 1797, ten years after out Constitution was ratified.

“The Law of Nations, or, principles of the law of nature, applied to the conduct and affairs of nations and sovereigns. Translated from the French by Joseph Chitty, Esq. Based on the 1797 edition, republished by T. & J. W. Johnson, law booksellers, Philadelphia (1853), together with additional notes and references by Edward D. Ingraham, Esq. Ingraham’s annotations have been omitted.”

http://www.lonang.com/exlibris/vattel/

Perhaps, our Framers had a Time Machine!


192 posted on 12/01/2009 12:53:43 PM PST by trumandogz (The Democrats are driving us to Socialism at 100 MPH -The GOP is driving us to Socialism at 97.5 MPH)
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To: BP2; penelopesire; seekthetruth; television is just wrong; jcsjcm; Pablo Mac; April Lexington; ...
Thank you, BP .. I love this part. It's exemplifies what the Founders and all reasonable citizens believe should be imbued in all Americans, and most certainly in the man who holds the highest office in the United States of America:

a fundamental and inborn natural love of country (and my thought: an inborn feeling of protectiveness toward it)

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"We have been obliged to anticipation of the definition of the term native country, because our subject led us to treat of the love of our country – a virtue so excellent and so necessary in a state."

Thence the paragraph following describes how natural love of country is imbued in civil society by virtue of its citizens being born to that land.

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We just don't truly yet know to which country 0's love and protectiveness is extended, if any. It certainly hasn't been naturally exhibited toward the USA.

And here we suffer the repercussions of that very doubtful inborn love, allegiance and protectiveness of country.

He roots passionately for the Chicago White Sox .. pathetic that his country and her citizens don't elicit that same passion, protectiveness and devotion.

196 posted on 12/01/2009 1:40:16 PM PST by STARWISE (They (LIBS-STILL) think of this WOT as Bush's war, not America's war- Richard Miniter)
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