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To: wintertime

I never said he was honest.

However, there is no reason why this president should have to produce more documentation than the presidents who have preceded him in office.

Now, if you would like to propose a law on the state or national level, that would require all future presidential and vice-presidential candidates to produce a birth certificate, college transcripts and full medical records, I would be fully supportive.

91 posted on 11/30/2009 11:53:51 AM PST by trumandogz (The Democrats are driving us to Socialism at 100 MPH -The GOP is driving us to Socialism at 97.5 MPH)
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To: trumandogz
However, there is no reason why this president should have to produce more documentation than the presidents who have preceded him in office.

An honest man would **HONORED** to prove in every way possible and to anyone ( even a nut) that he was a natural born citizen and eligible to be president.

Obama has been asked. An honest and honorable man would **promptly** do so.

So...You still have NOT answered the following two questions:

**What do Obama’s actions concerning his natural born status have to say about his honor and honest?

**What does Obama’s actions have to say about the honor and honesty of the people defending him?

126 posted on 11/30/2009 4:54:08 PM PST by wintertime
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To: trumandogz; penelopesire; seekthetruth; television is just wrong; jcsjcm; BP2; Pablo Mac; ...

However, there is no reason why this president should have to produce more documentation than the presidents who have preceded him in office.


That is about one of THE stupidest statements I’ve ever seen here.

Name one president who the public discovered BEFORE his election that he, among many other disturbing issues,

* has a father who was a citizen of a foreign country when he was born (in a direct flaunting of our Constitution and its intent for potus citizenship)

* was born into a maternal family of documented communists and liberal activists

* traveled to Pakistan when there was a war ongoing,
wherein Americans were urged strongly to stay away

* has purposely sealed every bit of past history possible from public knowledge; i.e., college records, scholarships, if any, college theses.

* has been named by Percy Sutton, Malcolm X’s attorney, as being financially supported for his years at Harvard by a Saudi prince

* has personally shown no financial means to pay for the education he received in this country or for his travel to
foreign countries

* has released some records, that have garnered high suspicion as to authenticity

* has NO Columbia college cohorts or friends that can be found, of 400 people that Fox News interviewed

* has paid teams of high powered lawyers nearly $2M to fight lawsuits asking for proof that he is Constitutionally eligible and was to run for and BE in this power office,a critical issue the Founders required to prevent divided national allegiance

* has had his lawyers threaten any plaintiff who wouldn’t back off with severe sanctions for daring to ask the court for rulings on eligibility

* has had his lawyers threaten media networks and journalists when they ask “uncomfortable” questions

* has a past purposely filled with radicals, as he freely
admits he was drawn to; among them, domestic terrorists,
boldly anti-American, Marxist, socialist, anti-Israel,
black theology and Farrakhan Nation of Islam activists

* has compiled an administration filled with the above


“The person who made me proudest of all though was my (half-brother), Roy. He was converted to Islam.” (DREAMS OF MY FATHER)

“In Indonesia, I spent two years at a Muslim school. . .I studied the Koran.” (DREAMS OF MY FATHER)

“Lolo (Obama’s stepfather) followed Islam. . .I looked to Lolo for guidance.” (AUDACITY OF HOPE)

” I will stand with them (Muslims) should the political winds of war shift in any ugly direction. . .” (AUDACITY OF HOPE)

“We are no longer just a Christian nation. We are also a Jewish nation, a Muslim nation, a Buddhist nation, a Hindu nation, and a nation of nonbelievers.” (INAUGURAL SPEECH)

* the ‘prettiest sound on earth at sunset’ is the Muslim call to prayer’

Ping list: feel free to supply other known disturbing issues I may have overlooked at this moment.

I’m SO sick of those who say they’re conservatives and here on the #1 conservative site on the web spouting such obvious ignorance or purposely being a fiend .... conservative WHAT?

Any sincerely right thinking conservative American weeps for what this thing, who’s anti-American naturally and to his core .. it IS 2nd nature to him ... is doing to this country and our brave military and wonders why. Where is he coming from ?

It certainly isn’t from a core American outlook.

When does he show any natural allegiance to America or things American ?

And those of us who’ve been diligently researching him, his family, his and their documentation and pasts, and his affiliations for almost two years KNOW he’s a complete creation, and know just how much of his past is purposely sealed and secreted from view.

Thanks for any pertinent thoughts. God help us all.

130 posted on 11/30/2009 6:39:22 PM PST by STARWISE (They (LIBS-STILL) think of this WOT as Bush's war, not America's war- Richard Miniter)
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To: trumandogz
However, there is no reason why this president should have to produce more documentation than the presidents who have preceded him in office.

You are kidding...right...RIGHT?!?!

While not comprehensive, the following is a list of publicly available documents and personal information the media published on Republican and Democrat candidates Sen. John McCain, George W. Bush, Sen. John Kerry, Al Gore, Bill Clinton and George H.W. Bush:

Sen. John McCain --
Medical records:
During his first presidential campaign in 1999, Sen. John McCain released 1,500 pages of medical and psychiatric records collected by the Navy. In 2008, McCain allowed reporters to spend three hours sifting through 1,200 pages of health records.

Birth certificate:
A purported copy of Sen. McCain's long-form birth certificate was released as a result of Hollander v. McCain, a lawsuit challenging the natural born citizenship status of the then–presidential candidate. The Dallas Morning News also posted a short-form certificate.
[how is it that a law suit challenging McCain's NBC was able to be heard, but none against Barry Soetoro?]

Military records:
The Navy released John McCain's military record after a Freedom of Information Act request from the Associated Press. The record lists McCain's medals and commendations, including a Silver Star Medal for resisting "extreme mental and physical cruelties" inflicted upon him after he was taken prisoner in October 1967 by the North Vietnamese.

Naval Academy:
The records released to the Associated Press included details about McCain's years at the U.S. Naval Academy from 1954 to 1958. According to his own 1999 memoir, "Faith of My Fathers," he graduated 894th out of 899 in June 1958.

The New York Times released a copy of John McCain's 1974 thesis at the National War College. Titled "The Code of Conduct and the Vietnam Prisoners of War," it was written about a year after his release from a North Vietnamese prison camp.

The Associated Press thoroughly examined records from Sen. John McCain's divorce from his first wife, Carol Shepp, a model from Philadelphia. The news agency listed a detailed summary of the settlement, revealing that McCain gave up two homes and agreed to pay $1,625 a month in alimony and child support. According to the report, he maintained insurance policies worth $64,000 with their children as beneficiaries, agreed to pay for their daughter's college education and paid $3,005 in joint debts. Carol McCain got the family's Audi, while McCain kept a Datsun 810 and personal belongings. McCain also agreed to provide insurance or pay for medical treatment for his ex-wife.

John McCain has not released his passport files, documents that contain sensitive personal information including place and date of birth, Social Security number, parent citizenship information, marital status and travel records. However, his files were improperly accessed along with then-Sens. Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton in early 2008.

[President] George W. Bush --
Medical records:
President George W. Bush allowed the media to view about 400 pages of personal medical information in 2000 and again in 2004.

Birth certificate:
While the Texas State Library and Archives Commission lists a birth certificate for George W. Bush among its records, the document has not been posted online.

Military and personal records:
The White House released Bush's complete military records in 2004.
News reporters lined up at the White House press office as workers distributed copies of his files, the New York Times reported. Those documents included the following personal information:
Bush had his tonsils removed when he was a young boy and suffered from appendicitis at the age of 10
At 14, he had surgery to remove a cyst from his chest.
When he applied for the National Guard, he had a hemorrhoid
Bush had two ''negligent collisions'' in the month after he turned 16 in July 1962
He was issued two speeding tickets in the summer of 1964 and was fined $10 each
He was charged with a misdemeanor for a Yale prank in 1966, but it was later dropped
Bush received a score of 25 on his January 1968 pilot aptitude test. A score of 95 percent is considered "officer quality."
He obtained a secret security clearance during his service
George W. Bush's record of service in the National Guard, including payroll and personnel reports, flight records and photos, is available through the Department of Defense.

Arrest record:
The media also released copies of Bush's arrest record, including one 1976 incident in which he was charged for driving under the influence of alcohol when he was 30 years old. Reports included a summary of his DUI conviction from the Maine Department of Motor Vehicles.

College records:
Bush's campaign posted a copy of his Yale transcript online. The Washington Post obtained his SAT scores and revealed that he earned a 1206 on the college admissions test. Bush's lowest grades were a 70 (of 100) in Sociology and a 71 in Economics, while his highest scores were in history and Japanese.

Sen. John Kerry --
Medical records:
After initial reluctance, Sen. John Kerry allowed the Navy to release his full medical records in 2004.
[I believe this to be incorrect information]

College records:
In June 2005, the Boston Globe divulged Kerry's transcript information from his undergraduate record at Yale. It revealed that Kerry had a cumulative grade average of 76 over four years in school. His freshman year average was 71 and his senior year average was 81.

Military records:
During the 2004 election, Kerry posted his military records at his website. On May 20, 2005, he waived privacy restrictions and authorized release of his full military records.
[Again, I believe this to be erroneous information]

Divorce records:
John Kerry and Julia Stimson Thorne, Kerry's first wife, were separated in 1982 and divorced in July 25, 1988. The Associated Press revealed details from records of John and Julia's "no fault" divorce, citing generic grounds of ''irretrievable breakdown of the marriage."

Al Gore --
Medical records:
In 1999, Al Gore released medical records revealing "mildly elevated" cholesterol levels and removal of skin cancer from his forehead in 1997. The records were compiled after a complete physical examination by several military physicians.

Military records:
Gore enlisted in the Army in Newark, N.J., in August 1969. He was stationed in Fort Rucker as a public affairs officer. At the end of 1970, Gore went to Vietnam as a military journalist assigned to the 20th Engineer Brigade at Bien Hoa, 20 miles northeast of Saigon. He applied for discharge and exited the Army in May 1971. His discharge paperwork is not available online.

College records:
The Washington Post obtained Al Gore's college transcripts and test scores from St. Albans high school, Vanderbilt University's divinity and law schools and Harvard University. It outlined his scores in a March 19, 2000, article titled, "Gore's grades belie image of studiousness." The newspaper revealed Gore earned a total of 1355 points of 1600 on the SAT college admissions test. Gore's lowest grade was a D in natural sciences. His high grades were an A in French and English, an A in visual and environmental studies and an A- in social relations.

Bill Clinton --
Medical records:
Former President Bill Clinton released only summaries of his annual physical examinations, including his cholesterol count, his pulse rate, his blood pressure and his hemoglobin and white blood cell and platelet count. According to the New York Times, then–White House spokesman Michael D. McCurry said he saw ''no reason'' not to disclose more information, ''given the President's overall health.''

College records:
Clinton majored in international affairs at Georgetown University in Washington, D.C., and was awarded a Rhodes Scholarship to the University of Oxford in England. He received a law degree from Yale University in 1973, and entered politics in Arkansas. While his scores were presumably high, copies of his transcripts are not available online.

Bill Clinton did not release his passport files, documents that contain sensitive personal information including place and date of birth, Social Security number, parent citizenship information, marital status and travel records. However, his files were breached during an improper search by State Department officials in 1992.

Bob Dole --
Medical records:
In July 1995, presidential candidate Robert Dole released a detailed summary of his medical records. His doctor told the media that he had received serious wounds in World War II that paralyzed his right arm and led to the removal of one kidney.
He also underwent surgery in 1991 for prostate cancer. He made all of his medical records public in 1996 and demanded that Bill Clinton do the same.

Military records:
Dole's campaign released details about his military service in an entry titled, "World War II: Heroism and Tragedy" on its website.
A retired Central Intelligence Agency officer scrutinized his war record in a profile published by The Nation in August 1996.

College records:
The Robert J. Dole Institute of Politics houses Dole's official records, personal letters and other items relating to Dole's college years, his military service, and his legal career as Russell County, Kan., attorney and lawyer in private practice, memos, reports, newsletters, speeches, casework, statements, testimony, campaign and Republican Party records. Copies of Dole's official transcripts are not available online.

George H.W. Bush --
Medical records:
George H.W. Bush released medical records during his campaign and yearly during his presidency, revealing he had mild degenerative osteoarthritis in his hips, normal X-rays, EKG, urinalysis and blood work.

George H.W. Bush's college transcripts and military records are not available online.

Barack HUSSEIN Obama aka Barry Soetoro --
Obama, 46, last saw Dr. David Scheiner in January 2007, shortly before he declared he was running for president. Scheiner, who has been Obama's primary doctor since 1987, observed that the Illinois senator's diet, weight, blood pressure and cholesterol were all healthy.

"In short, his examination showed him to be in excellent health," Scheiner said.
Obama "exercised regularly, often jogging three miles. His diet was balanced with good intake of roughage and fluids. ... On physical examination, his blood pressure was 90/60 and pulse 60/minute," Scheiner wrote.

The Illinois senator has been an "intermittent" cigarette smoker who has "quit on several occasions and is currently using Nicorette gum with success."

"When you're running for president, everything should be public – including your full medical records. I believe in a right to privacy. But when you're running for president, which is such an important job, the need of the public to know supersedes it."
Sen. Charles Schumer, D-N.Y. 2008

133 posted on 11/30/2009 7:39:11 PM PST by Just A Nobody ( (Better Dead than RED! NEVER AGAIN...Support our Troops! Beware the ENEMEDIA))
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