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Gathering of Eagles ^ | Nov 17, 2009 | GOE NY

Posted on 11/30/2009 7:43:24 PM PST by syc1959

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To: InspectorSmith

Dear Lucas


When have I said I have never been to Africa ?
In any case you don’t need to know Africa to understand your fraud, Lucas.

Othigo. You have found Othigo was deputy CA. Clever. Only that was in 2007, Lucas. What matters is Feb 19th 2009.
FEB 19TH 2009. FEB 19TH 2009. FEB 19TH 2009. Got it, Lucas ?
What matters is FEB 19TH 2009. The day in “spring” you told the world you were in Mombasa and had your fraud signed.

Maganga. His name is Heltan, not Helton, Lucas. You misspelled. The reason I am not insisting is because Othigo is a far bigger problem for you. Got it, Lucas ?

You want to expose me as a fraudster, Lucas ? What is the point besides distraction, Lucas ? Stay concentrated on that date, Lucas. FEB 19TH 2009. And give some convincing answer, consider it training for when you will be called for explanations by lawyers and judges.

Lucas, two chiefs do happen. Does that mean Maganga was CA on FEB 19TH 2009 ? No it doesn’t, Lucas. What you need is an indipendent source confirming that Maganga was CA (not that Ghent University has 2 admins !). You searched, searched searched and found out that the University of Ghent in Belgium has 2 Admins. Go tell that to a judge.

Q “Mr Smith can you confirm this court that Mr.Maganga was chief administrator of CPGH on Feb 19th 2009 ? According to “The Nation” from Nairobi the Chief Administrator on that date was Dr. Jennifer Othigo”

A “Your honor, I can confirm that both Othigo and Maganga were CAs on FEB 19TH 2009.”

Q “How have you found out, Mr Smith ?”

A : Your honor, Mr Maganga was also Chief Administrator because, as you can read from my affidavit, The University of Ghent in Belgium has two administrators”

If this is the best you can do Lucas, you are a poor researcher, Lucas.

Birther leader is not your job Lucas. You don’t understand politics. You have been banned from Ebay. 10 people bought tickets for your dissertation while you hoped to sell 50K.
You are explainig to experienced birthers thing that have been discussed a year ago. You are a false patriot. Have you ever served ? You have a troubling criminal record. You have a history of forgeries all with the same scheme:

1 sell a promise on E-bay
2 advertise the promise on the web
3 collect money
4 hit and run

am I wrong Lucas ?

Remember you have created this mess, not me. So YOU have to support your “findings” Lucas.

Again, who was the CA of COGH on FEB 19th 2009 ?

Stay well (and concentrate on the issue. FEB 19TH 2009)

301 posted on 12/07/2009 3:31:26 PM PST by Mik Taerg
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To: InspectorSmith

Dear Lucas,

you forgot to mention that my forgery of your forgery was posted here. So readers know about it. No need for your investigations into Greatkim (he’s not running for President)

Sorry for distracting you Lucas. The issue is still who was the Chief Administrator of CPGH on FEB 19TH 2009.

Please provide answer omitting keywords: -University, -Belgium, -Ghent

302 posted on 12/07/2009 3:40:53 PM PST by Mik Taerg
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To: InspectorSmith; Beckwith; rocco55; thouworm; rxsid; GOPJ; Fred Nerks; null and void; stockpirate; ..
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. . . . #299 and #300.


303 posted on 12/07/2009 5:08:42 PM PST by LucyT
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To: InspectorSmith
Recognize him?

304 posted on 12/07/2009 7:57:43 PM PST by Protect the Bill of Rights
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To: Protect the Bill of Rights

Who is that guy?

Looks like he’s getting ready to eat the Christmas tree — decorations and all.

305 posted on 12/08/2009 2:30:47 AM PST by Beckwith (A "natural born citizen" -- two American citizen parents and born in the USA.)
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To: Beckwith

See my post 220, it explans it all. It also explains the character of Smith (he has none).

306 posted on 12/08/2009 4:15:45 AM PST by Protect the Bill of Rights
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To: Protect the Bill of Rights; Beckwith

Hi “Protect the Bill of Rights,

Give it up already.

If that was true I’d have went to jail or prison or at very least been questioned by some law enforcement agency. You should read the story and ask yourself it makes sense. What kind of person goes through several months or testing to scam $600???????????? People in Bangladesh India don’t even sell their kidneys for a price that low.

You might want to point out next time you cite this story that this young man that you have plastered the picture of did receive a kidney (for free) from a woman from Cedar Rapids, Iowa in 2004.

The young man lived until 2008 when he passes away from related health problems.

You should research your claims before you around the Internet claiming that someone has no character.

Idiot. What’s next, I was born in Iowa and I have no right to expose Obama because this state was the first to support Obama? Or let me guess, you’ll bring up the fight I had when I was 17 years old at McDonalds and claim that that somehow discredits my find in Mombasa of President Obama’s birth certificate?

307 posted on 12/08/2009 7:29:43 AM PST by InspectorSmith
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To: Mik Taerg

Maganga. His name is Heltan, not Helton, Lucas. You misspelled. The reason I am not insisting is because Othigo is a far bigger problem for you. Got it, Lucas ?

Q “Mr Smith can you confirm this court that Mr.Maganga was chief administrator of CPGH on Feb 19th 2009 ?

My Comment on these two questions by Mik Taerg:
What is, and has been confusing to me, is why you question Lucas Smith about these items?
Lucas Smith went to Kenya and got this document, he did not engineer what was put on, stamped, or printed on the document. He got a certified copy, paid off a cop to look the other way when he got it, and left. He then turned it over to the court system, and submitted an affidavit to the courts concerning how he got it, and that it was genuine.

He did not control any of the items your questioning him about, and it serves no purpose other than to misdirect the fact that it is either fake or real, and you will not make that determination, the courts will. Lucas has encouraged the courts to do just that. Not the sign of somebody who is lying, to the contrary, someone who is telling the truth. Second, he did not have to submit it to the courts or supply an affidavit to the courts of its authenticity, and in fact to do so, would be a fraud to the federal govt and probably cause him a lot of trouble.

Rather than bicker endlessly, and yes I have quietly read this ad naseum, why not push for government authentication and end it, one way or another. I have suggested this several times, forensic analysis by a court appointed, or nationally know analyst would put the question to bed concerning authenticity, and just might open doors to actually get something accomplished....JMO

308 posted on 12/08/2009 11:07:03 AM PST by etraveler13
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To: InspectorSmith

So how long was Lucas D Smith, 29 in prision for FORGERY and 2nd DEGREE THEFT? The article is not clear. 2 years or 4 years?

Auction recalls case of would-be kidney seller
Gazette, The (Cedar Rapids-Iowa City, IA) - Thursday, July 23, 2009
Author: The Gazette

Lucas Smith of Cedar Rapids has surfaced, then disappeared, again, this time on the fringe of the fringe world of Obama birthers.

Smith recently claimed to have a birth certificate proving President Barack Obama was born in Kenya. That’s according to a July 19 post at Worldnet Daily, the conservative Web site that’s become a clearinghouse for theorists’ claims that Obama is constitutionally unqualified to be president.

According to the post, someone claiming to be Lucas Smith , “a former resident of Cedar Rapids,” tried to auction a Kenyan birth certificate for Obama on eBay. But when Worldnet tried to verify the document, Smith dropped out of contact, “only fueling belief the sale was a scam.”

Smith, whoever he is, gained local notice in 2003, when someone by that name agreed to sell a kidney to an Oswego, N.Y., man who needed a transplant, The deal broke down when Smith demanded $600 upfront from the man’s family.

A police investigation failed to locate Smith, or any evidence that he was in the area — or whether his aborted attempt to sell a kidney was illegal.

Online court records say Lucas D. Smith, now 29, was convicted in Linn County of forgery in May 1998 and second-degree theft in May 2000. He was released from prison Dec. 25, 2002, the Department of Corrections says.
Edition: F
Page: 5A
Index Terms: CRIME
Record Number: 4782753
Copyright (c) 2009, Gazette Communications, Inc.

309 posted on 12/08/2009 12:40:18 PM PST by Protect the Bill of Rights
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To: etraveler13

That was a civil post Lucas. You say I should question Obama and not you. There are many people questioning Obama. I have absolutely no problem with them. Questioning Lucas and questioning Obama are not alternatives, they are two different things. Your birth certificate presents some flaws I believe you must explain:

1 - According to the Kenyan press Othigo and not Maganga was CA of CPGH on Feb 19th 2009
2 - your said you travelled to Kenya in “Spring” which is after the date you supposedly collected the document
3 - Maganga’s name is misspelled.

Your last line of defense doesn’t make sense. You are saying
“hey, I was there, I got the bc, it’s not my fault if kenyan journalists are sloppy and mention Othigo as CA”.
No Lucas you can’t do this. And you need to understand that given what Kenyan sources say doubt is more than justified.

Probably you believe my opposition will die and you will remain the victorious new birther leader. Instead I will repeat my questions ad nauseam I will chase you all over the net. Because you need the net don’t you ? You need this wonderful place were everyone can spread lies and the winners are those who spread them more and most loudly. You believe that simply spreading your bc makes it true. Don’t you Lucas ? Back to reality, Lucas. You have made a claim.
You have not answered any of my questions. You have not found a single piece of evidence to confute my accusations.
ANWER Lucas, and be specific please.

1 Who was CA of CPGH on Feb 19th 2009 ?
2 What is the name of Dr.Maganga ?
3 When have you been to Kenya ?
4 What borders have you crossed ?
5 What is the name of the Company that sent you to Congo ?
6 Where are the photos with you in Kenya you promised ?
(btw, is this admission that those rooftop photos “to depict African surroundings” were not actually shot in Africa ?)

310 posted on 12/08/2009 2:21:06 PM PST by Mik Taerg
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To: etraveler13

sorry etraveler13. I really thought it was Lucas Smith. I have just realized now the post was by his lawyer or by one of his 5 followers.
My questions were to Lucas, not to you.

311 posted on 12/08/2009 2:28:19 PM PST by Mik Taerg
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To: InspectorSmith

here is what you wrote on your youtube page

“As to the possible coming civil war; I (Lucas) believe that violent overthrow of the US Government is PROBABLY the only course of action that will effectively remove Barack Obama from Office of US President.”

so have you lost any hope in your BC Lucas ?

312 posted on 12/08/2009 2:35:40 PM PST by Mik Taerg
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To: Mik Taerg

Your incorrect. When you post statements publicly, you invite comment by those you post to, in this case, everybody.
Who are you to singlehandedly harass this guy? What makes you his judge, and evidently jury. There is process in the United States, and he has submitted to that process in a legal manner. As a result he is subject to his submissions, both in physical evidence, and statements. It is not open to your specious conclusions or harassement.
I, as well as many of the people on this thread are no doubt sick of your droning on and on. It seems, you just have to be right. This is not a matter of you being right or wrong, its a matter for the courts to decide.
YOU can send private messages on this board if you do not want public reply. My guess, is that your playing the BIG MAN, and want to verbally abuse Lucas Smith publicly.
Stop it...grow up...There are more important things to discuss...

313 posted on 12/08/2009 3:18:49 PM PST by etraveler13
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To: Protect the Bill of Rights

No ones denies that I was in prison for three years. All of 2000(January 27th), 2001, 2002 discharged (December 25th).

In case you haven’t put it together yet, that prison sentence was BEFORE the kidney news article.

Again, who sells a kidney for $600? Not even in India or Bangladesh.

Who would go through several months of testing to earn $600?

And again, why do you NOT make attention of that fact that this young man was given a kidney (for FREE) from a woman in Cedar Rapids, Iowa (my hometown is Cedar Rapids).

The young man died 4 years later in 2008.

Again, get your story straight.

What a half-rate researcher.

314 posted on 12/08/2009 3:25:59 PM PST by InspectorSmith
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To: Mik Taerg

What exactly is your goal?
It cannot be to discredit the document, as it is already submitted to the court system.

It is not his statement as to its authenticity, and how he got it, as it is also submitted to the state.

Proving anything further to you or any non-judicial person who will weigh the merits of the evidence is fruitless.

After the fact, it does not matter what he has done, is doing, or will do, what he thought, is thinking, or will think after submission of the evidence to the courts.

The evidence is either genuine or is not, and the courts, if they think it has merit, will investigate or will not, you have nothing to say about it.

So what exactly is your point? What is your goal, and what value do your efforts have at this point.

Don’t you have something better to do with your time?

315 posted on 12/08/2009 3:31:55 PM PST by etraveler13
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To: etraveler13

Thank you for your patriotic support and for your logical and objective thoughts.

I wouldn’t waste your time with GreatKim aka Mik Tearg. Kim is a half-rate researcher.

Kim is desperate and will lie, cheat, steal and forge to gain recognition. Kim has told me that she/he longs for recognition as a wise and brilliant genius.

It’s best to ignore her / him. They will argue to the death. And when you debunk their wild theories they will rebuttal with one that is even wilder.

Kim has admitted to me many times that she has lied.

Thanks again etraveler13.

316 posted on 12/08/2009 3:40:25 PM PST by InspectorSmith
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To: InspectorSmith
Some of your information seems conflict with news reports, of which there are plenty more in the archives.

Do you have documentation to refute these claims; email sent in late 2002 (around the time you were paroled?), email sent May 3, 2003 asking for compensation; subsequent disappearance?

Note the date of the email, June 13, 2003, from Diane Langton, who offered her kidney free of charge. How does that fit in your timetable?

Asking questions and debunking is a big part of FR. There are plenty of fine researchers here. Many, myself included, don't publicly post all they have. Just an FYI.

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Post-Standard, The (Syracuse, NY) - Wednesday, January 16, 2008
Author: Catie O'Toole Staff writer
Nearly four years has passed since a stranger gave Jim Wilson Jr. a kidney and saved his life.

When he died Monday, his kidney was still functioning.

Kathleen Wilson said her son thought he was coming down with the flu and had been lying down most of the day.

“He didn't feel good,” she said Tuesday.

Things turned for the worse.

Jim Wilson Sr. went to call 911 and their son went into cardiac arrest, Kathleen Wilson said.

James J. Wilson was 25.

“He lived every minute of every day,” his father said.

Jim Jr. was born with one kidney . It kept him going for the first 18 years of his life. He rarely missed school, and even felt fine the day a school nurse took his blood pressure and realized something was wrong. Go see a doctor, she told him. Right away.

Over three years, while his family searched for a donor, Jim Jr.’s condition worsened to the point he needed daily dialysis.

Jim Jr. was put on the national kidney transplant list in November 2001, five months after doctors diagnosed him with end stage renal disease.

Today, there are 147 people waiting for either a kidney or a kidney and pancreas transplant at University Hospital in Syracuse, said Laura Squadrito, director of programs at the National Kidney Foundation of Central New York.

The Wilsons, who live in Oswego, did what they could to speed up the process. A family friend started a Web site and Jim Wilson Sr. hung several hundred posters in stores, banks and other places, asking someone to donate a kidney to save his son's life.

In late 2002, a man from Cedar Rapids, Iowa, sent an e-mail to the family. The man, who called himself Lucas Smith , said he was 23 years old and had emigrated from Russia five years earlier. He had seen the Web site and, Smith said, he wanted to help.

The Wilsons stopped searching for a donor. Smith passed all of the medical, physical and psychological tests. They thought he was going to save their son's life.

Then, on May 3, 2003, Smith sent Jim Wilson Sr. an e-mail saying he wanted to be compensated for donating his kidney .

Wilson said they would pay his airfare, but because it was illegal to receive money for an organ donation, they wouldn't give him any other cash.

Five months after holding out a lifeline, Lucas Smith disappeared.

Jim Wilson Sr. called the Cedar Rapids police.

On June 13, 2003, Diane Langton e-mailed the Wilsons. She had read about what happened and wanted to help.


317 posted on 12/08/2009 4:52:28 PM PST by maggief
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To: InspectorSmith
Who would go through several months of testing to earn $600?

The same person who uses false ID's.

What does the prison sentence have to do with the kidney story? NOTHING. (except you were out of prison in 2003).

318 posted on 12/08/2009 5:16:30 PM PST by Protect the Bill of Rights
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To: maggief

Hi Maggief,

This kidney thing is a side attraction put forth by Obama fan boys.

This thread isn’t about selling kidneys. It’s about Obama and his having been born in Kenya and subsequently being ineligible to hold Office of US President. Instead of attacking the document there are some people that attack the with kidney story.

There is no “email” that you refer to. This was an online story, there is only a mention of an email. There never was such a thing.

Long story short. The young man (19 at the time) DID RECEIVE a kidney in 2004 from a donator in Cedar Rapids, Iowa.

The young man lived another 4 years with this kidney. He probably would have died before that if it wasn’t for the kidney he received in Cedar Rapids.

How many times do I have to repeat that I have NEVER been questioned by police of FBI about this???? Never went to jail or prison for this. The Wilson story was a fake, a desperate call for help! And it worked. A Cedar Rapids woman came forward and saved his life with her kidney.
Notice that the online articles stated that Lucas Smith was a Russian that had only been in the US for 5 years? What, do you think I put my best Russian accent on and fooled a team or doctors?

And all for $600??? Several months of testing for $600. What, do you want me to believe that was supposed to be a “deposit”, $600? Give me a break.

The police, the FBI and the US Attorney knows that the Wilson’s story didn’t add up. It was a publicity stunt to save their sons life, AND IT WORKED.

And I haven’t been ‘hiding” for the last 6 years. I’m in plain sight, the FBI could have arrested my at anytime.

So stop pretending like I killed someone.

Thank you.

319 posted on 12/08/2009 6:15:25 PM PST by InspectorSmith
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To: Protect the Bill of Rights

Are you drinking tonight?????? You are the one that brought up the prison sentence after I said that I’d never been to jail or prison for the kidney story.

And what does “The same person who uses false ID’s.” have to do with some selling a kidney for $600?

Does selling a kidney of $600 have anything to do with “using false IDs”

Put the bottle down already. Time for bed for you.

320 posted on 12/08/2009 6:20:02 PM PST by InspectorSmith
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