Skip to comments.HANUKKAH "must-read." (THE FACTS - and Why Christians might want to celebrate it, too!)
Posted on 12/07/2009 6:22:46 AM PST by FrPR
"...If you love your G-d but fear your government, tell others about the destruction of the Second Temple by the Hitlerian Antiochus Epiphanes, and help your children internalize these lessons of Hanukkah.
If you would be reminded of the importance of preserving second-amendment freedoms, recall this chapter in the long story of the disarmament of the Jews. Honor the memory of Hannah and her sons by kindling the lights of Hanukkah with firm resolve.
If you should ever doubt that righteousness will always prevail so long as we love G-d and fight for his spiritual and physical territory, let your heart be filled with the spirit of Judah and his Maccabees. Put on their armor, symbolically and celebrate the victory that Hanukkah commemorates.
If you believe in individual and religious freedom, if you believe in self-determination, and if you believe in miracles, if you truly have faith in G-d, light the Hanukkah menorah this year, and thank G-d for His enduring faith in us."
(Excerpt) Read more at wnd.com ...
Sorry, I celebrate Christian holidays not Jewish or any other religious holidays.
Secular are fine, but as for religious festivities, I shall follow Christian only.
Jesus celebrated Hanukkah. John 10:22-24: At that time the Feast of the Dedication took place at Jerusalem; it was winter, and Jesus was walking in the temple in the portico of Solomon.
I have utmost respect for the Jewish “religion”. Only difference is; I believe that Jesus is Messiah. (just the short answer, it’s always more complicated than that)
Maybe all of us who call ourselves “Christians” should look at all the holidays and festivals of the Jews and try to learn more. I think we would have a much deeper understanding of G-d.
Shhhhh....don’t tell anybody that Jesus was a Jew. It might ruin Christmas. And how else are we going to celebrate our pagan roots than with all the pagan trappings that define the holiday season for us?
Just let your hatred flow. It bubbling there, right under the surface. Let everyone know how much you hate Christmas, and the people who celebrate it. Go on.
Jews (and Christians) know very little about Hanukkah. This article sets the record straight in a way which reminds ALL of us that freedom - ie. freedom to worship - is precious, and must be defended.
I think it is good for Christians to know about Hanukkah. Maybe we would stop hearing that Hanukkah “is the Jewish version of Christmas”.
Christ was Jewish, it is the heritage of Christians that would serve us well to look back on. We can’t truly understand our faith if we don’t understand Christ’s faith.
BTW, thanks for the post. Good article.
I will indeed light candles for this memorable holiday, and I’m not Jewish. thanks for posting.
To learn more about the ancient Jewish struggle for freedom and the origin of Channukah, read the books of the Maccabees.
These are found mainly in Catholic versions of the Bible.
And then came the JFPFO Jews for the preservation of firearm ownership.
Celebrate it for the food! Oy, not another Latke. I’m gonna plotz! Okay, but just a smeal.
I enjoy Christmas for what it is—a dual holiday. On the one hand we celebrate the birth of Christ, and on the other hand there are many cultural trappings of non-Christian origin—the date we celebrate Christmas, the Christmas tree, elves and fairies, a big feast, etc. And of course there are many secular modern aspects of Christmas and the holiday season (unfortunately many of those are associated with commercialism)
Until I had a child I restricted myself to what I thought was the pure Christian celebration of Christmas—no tree, no secular songs, just attending my church and pondering the story of Christ’s birth. Now that I have a child I am trying to find a way to balance what I feel is the “ture meaning of Christmas” with what I see is the excitement of the holiday.
At a time like this it is good to have a reminder that all who worship the one true God have common ancestry through Moses and Abraham.
While I love to hear about ALL of God’s miracles, I celebrate the birth and resurrection of Jesus Christ, the one and only Son of the living God, as the one worth celebrating.
Considering that today is Pearl Harbor Remembrance Day, today is a good time to ponder other days of remembrance that are part of our cultural and/or religious heritage.
I agree that it is a very good article, clearly written and a good source for someone unfamiliar with the importance.
I don’t hate Christmas, but I am bothered by all the pagan references and the overblown commercialism. To me, Christmas has lost most of it’s true meaning. My family doesn’t celebrate (Jewish) and it does get irksome when my husband’s family pulls us in to pagan traditions.
We don’t mind the gift-giving at all and enjoying meals together with family is always special, so I try to have a positive attitude and ignore the mistletoe, Christmas tree and wreaths. Focus on the loving intent, not the trappings.
It’s the same thing as when someone wishes me a “Merry Christmas” at the store. Not a big deal! I smile, thank them and wish them a Merry Christmas right back.
Whereas you might define Christmas as an opportunity to celebrate the Almighty’s supreme gift of spiritual freedom to Mankind, you might simply see Hanukkah as an opportunity to resolve to defend whatever freedoms remain to you and your brothers - of all faiths - here on Earth.
I believe Jews and Christians must stick together to defend each other’s freedoms, and each others’ earthly and spiritual territories.
Increasingly I see that many others - some named Achmed, some named Moshe, some named John - quietly believe that they, themselves, are saved under their respective covenants, and this guarantee absolves them of any responsibility to be aware of and defend the freedoms (especially the freedom of worship) of fellow citizens of different faiths.
I am down with Hanuukah! It gives me 9 crazy nights as instead of 1.
Though I will stick with traditional Christmas music sung by Jews. Much merrier and uplifting than listening to cantor music.
Better drinking songs too:
A wasailing we go ....
Latke and koogle
If youd like to be on or off, please FR mail me.
IMO, if we Christians understood more about the Jewish feast and celebrations we would have a deeper understanding of our Heavenly Father.
BTW, there is a wonderful book by Roy Shoeman entitled "Salvation is from the Jews" that really gets into the connection between Judaism and Christianity.
Yah'shua's birth on Sukkotshalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
(Sukkot is the Feast of Tabernacles or booths,
where we live in temporary shelters.
Sukkot is when YHvH took on a temporary
garment to be with His People
and to die as the Lamb of G-d on Pesach
in order to bring salvation to all
who would call on His Name:
(Romans 10:13 & Joel 2:32)
Yah'shua ( YHvH is become my salvation)).Ps. 18:2, 46; 27:1; 35:9; 38:22; 88:1;
118:14; 119:174; 140:7; Isa. 12:2; 56:1;
61:10; Mic. 7:7; Hab. 3:18
Sukkot as the date is supported by Elizabeth's
pregnancy of John the Immerser.
The time sequence is outlined by the
Holy Word of Elohim in Luke 1 with Zacharias.
Zacharias served as a high priest and
based on his tribe, we know when he served
(1 Chronicles 24:7-18) and when he was
struck dumb and when John was conceived.
John would have been born on Pesach.
Most Jews believed that Elijah
would come at Pesach to announce
the coming of the Messiah (Malachi 4:5).
Factor in when Miriam visited her cousin Elizabeth,
Elizabeth was six months pregnant (Luke 1:26)
Thus the timing of Yah'shua's birth can be ascertained.
John (1:14) tells us that Yah'shua was made flesh
and tabernacled among us.
The word "dwelt" in the Koine Greek is:σκηνόω Strong's G4637 - skēnoō
1) to fix one's tabernacle,
have one's tabernacle,
abide (or live) in a tabernacle (or tent),
2) to dwell
Eight days after the beginning of Sukkot is
another Holy Feast Day called Shemini Atzeret.
Eight days after a Jewish male is born he is circumcised.
After the Eighth day comes the the most Joyous day:
Simchat Torah or
the rejoicing in the Torah (The Word of Elohim).
Nine months back from Sukkot is Chanukah
where the light entered the temple.
Some of us Christians do. Like certain feast (i.e. Tabernacles, etc.). Like I've stated many times before on this forum, if it wasn't for the Jews, I wouldn't be who I am.
Our church had a Seder dinner with a Messianic Jew (a “Christian”) leading it a couple of years ago. It was really interesting. A LOT of things only made sense when thinking of Jesus, or at least made more sense.
One of the more amazing things: as best as I can recall, at the very beginning they break the top piece of Matzo bread in half. One half gets set aside. The other half is wrapped in a napkin and one of the adults hides it. At the end of the dinner the kids go look for it, and whoever finds it gets a prize. It then gets uncovered and reunited with the other half. And was done with certain words and a set ritual. The guy said “does this symbolism mean anything?”
Of course we all said things like it represent’s Christ’s broken body, hidden away in the tomb/burial shroud, made whole again and revealed, etc.
He said “Well - to the Jews it is just a fun little thing to do with the kids. It means nothing.” I asked a Christian gal that was raised Jewish if that was true - was it was just a fun game? She had tears in her eyes. “Yes - it was just for fun, it had no meaning for us.” She had never thought of it in that way before.
The whole dinner was a good reminder of the roots of the Christian faith, but it was amazing how God could use such a fun game to reveal such a primary truth.
I don't understand why anyone would think that a Jewish tradition would carry that type of symbolism.
One of the things I like about Jewish is No Ham! Yuck!
What dingbat Christian thought about eating Swine in celebration of Jesus, anyway?
next great food: Matzo Ball Soup. Must be light and fluffy in a broth, made from chicken base. Use a little salt as possible.
Because all Christian beliefs are anchored in the hope that Jesus is indeed the Jewish Messiah. There may be many examples of silly messianic explanations for traditional Jewish customs, or they may be illuminating. It is for everyone to decide whether it is tinfoil or truth. Even if it is tinfoil, rest assured that those who believe in it are seeking HaShem in their way, and He hears them. There is much foolishness and there are many hearts who are grafted onto the tree of Israel nonetheless. HaShem knows who are His own, and they are not all of Jewish mothers. Some are silly goyim with true hearts. If they have Christian explanations for traditional Jewish customs, HaShem knows.
Well - to the Jews it is just a fun little thing to do with the kids. It means nothing.
I am ALMOST as amused by Christians who know nothing about Judaism as I am by Jews who know nothing about Judaism!
In any case you are speaking of the AFIKOMEN.
It is a very profound but tiny little ritual, and an important “spiritual reminder” in the midst of the Passover meal.
Here’s the “Wiki” thread: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afikoman
Oy vey, and all the time we were trying to get them to go to sleep. You'd better not shout, you'd better not cry, you'd better not pout, I'm telling you why, because Santa has your iPod touch and your Wii and he's a touchy bastard.
Oh, yes, Spike. All Jews hate Christians and Christmas. Why just yesterday I drank the blood of a Christian baby as I reviewed the stocks and bonds section of the Wall Street Journal, which I control, then peed on a small likeness of St. Nicholas as I adjusted interest on some sharky loans and raped a virgin. And I have NEVER owned a pickup truck, sheared a sheep, rebuilt a diesel engine or ploughed a field. NEVER. And I NEVER learned my catechisms or my orders of service or ushered and swept the church and dusted the vestry in my home town, just because I wanted to serve and understand my Christian brothers and sisters. Nope! Mostly I just control the Universe in order to destroy it. Because I’m an evil Christ-Killin’ Jew and I want to kill Christmas before I kill all goodness on earth, ‘cause that’s what we do, with our seething anger and such. PS wanna come caroling sometime? I could teach you the hymns...
Thanks for the link. Lots of interesting background with regard to “stealing the blessing” and such.
“The Gemara states that it is forbidden to eat any other food after eating the afikoman, in order to keep the taste of matzo in our mouths.”
I do remember that part now. I believe that is to keep the memory of the Exodus in their minds (and mouths!)?
Thanks again for the interesting link.
Just what can we learn from the story of Hanukkah to help us in the culture war? Am I calling for armed rebellion? No, and that is not what the story is ultimately about. If one sits down and reads 1Maccabees and Daniel 8 and 11, it becomes very clear what the message is: G-d blesses with victory, those who are zealous for His literal words. Victory in what form? Why, against the culture that lulls us into compromise and ineffectiveness. The rebellion against Antiochus did not actually start in Modin, when Mattityahu took up arms. The rebellion against the culture began when G-d's people purposed and did what G-d commanded. The rebellion began long before Antiochus issued his decrees that were opposed to Torah. Remember them?
They could no longer follow the Torah of G-d
They could no longer observe the Sabbath or the Festival days
They could not circumcise their sons
They must eat meat that was unclean
Now, go down that list and you will find that these are things in which most Evangelical Christians would agree with Antiochus completely. Add to that the annulling of the Temple service and the only thing modern Christians have any beef with Antiochus over was his idolatry. Makes you wonder doesn't it? Or maybe not...
(from Bereans Online)
It is also good to note that in Hebraic thought when the baby is conceived it is considered "born." The actual day that the baby exits the womb to live amongst men is altogether different. I agree with this mindset. At conception the life is born.
So in actuality Chanukah is Yahshua's birthday, when the Light entered Mary's womb, and 9 months later that Light tabernacled among men during Sukkot.
Obviously I’m coming at this from a Christian viewpoint, and can’t begin to understand it from a Jewish viewpoint. But MY take on it would be, God knew how the Messiah would die - and it is incorporated into the Seder. The same Seder that the early Christians also observed. And perhaps alluded to in the “this is my Body, broken for you” that Jesus proclaimed at the Last Supper. But, I’m no expert.
I’m fine (endorse actually) with Jewish holidays being celebrated publicly and even in schools where they wish it or on public places especially where they are in high numbers.
Some of them like Abe Foxman don’t return that magnanimity.
Don’t try to bait me with Islam...I don’t think they should even be here.
Islam is not compatible with western culture or representative government.
Most underrated Jewish food: gefilte fish. I have yet to meet a non-Jew who doesn’t recoil at the mere mention of it. :-D
Yes, I understand that it’s from a Christian viewpoint, which is why I thought it’s odd that anyone would assume that it would explain a *Jewish* tradition. I read it as people thinking that Jews do this because of this belief about Christ, which would make no sense (at least to us).
Well, that’s what happens when a “Messianic Jew” tries to explain something about Judaism.
Exactly. I understand that it’s a Christian take on this, but what puzzled/amused me is that anyone would think that *Jews* would have the same reason for it.
And but of course there are going to be parallel religions celebrating the winter solstice’ as part of their religious beliefs. But that does not change what happen, and when it happened. Just as Passover is counted by the first day of ‘spring’.
THANKS!! I have NEVER thought of it that way!!
This custom (stealing half the matzos) is symbolic of Jacob stealing the blessings that were supposed to go to his brother Esau (the candy from dad).
As a practical matter, it also keeps the kids “in the game,” so to speak. (It can be boring if you are not drinking wine.)
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