Skip to comments.They Are All RINOs
Posted on 12/09/2009 3:24:34 AM PST by Scanian
Republicans like to point to Ronald Reagan for inspiration. However, we have to resign ourselves to the fact that Ronald Reagan is dead. Worse, his legacy was killed off by his own party, the same Republicans who say he inspired them.
The only lasting legacy to George W. Bush was the nomination of two constructionist judges and a fading response to terrorism. For eight years, we saw GW insist more on getting along than being right. Even the war in Iraq was fought on the cheap, probably out of fear of the cost of waging war, which defies the logic of waging war. In the long run, his own dithering on Iraq cost many lives before finally settling on the Surge.
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Rants are helpful. /s
Had Gore been elected, we would have had cap and trade or some variant long ago. While Bush held his thumb in the dike, the earth cooled and the fallacies of the "consensus" began to be exposed.
The OP(formerly the GOP) has moved far enough to the socialist left over the years that Conservatives have become RINOs.
GWB was not a good conservative.
However, the alternatives like McCain, Kerry and Gore would have been worse.
You know the reason why we couldn’t find good candidates? Republicans have been “politically correct” by being against “personality politics”. We usually only learn to know the candidates during the campaign because our “political correctness” prevent us from exploring good candidates prior to primaries/election season.
Example: The attack of some Republicans against the supporters of Sarah Palin are mainly due to this political correctness.
Let the Conservatives field their potential candidates and let the media vet (i.e., field dress) them now than later.
More names of potential conservatives ... the better.
And let them follow the footsteps of Sarah. Fight now!
I predict that if we are led out of this mess it will be women who do it. Sarah, Michele Bachmann, and Liz Cheney have shown more spine than any 3 Republican males around today.
Even the war in Iraq was fought on the cheap,Whoa. Stop right there.
Which Iraq 'war'?
The one where we kicked Saddam's butt in a couple months, and every swinging d__k in his army ran away like girls --- even though Colin Powell 'ticked off' the Turks and made our 4th ID float at sea for month instead of launching their attack from the North , getting the Sunni Triangle in a pincer maneuver with the 3rd ID coming up from the South, therefore
controlling'pacifying' all of Iraq? But thanks to Powell we couldn't DO THAT AS PLANNED and had to stop at Baghdad.
Orrrrr, the Iraq 'war' which came AFTER we kicked Saddam's rear. But where the Sunni Triangle was still a haven of jihadist dead-enders and Baathist loyalists (did I mention Colin Powell screwing up?, yeah, okay), and politicians were now in charge of (cough) 'policy' and wouldn't let some Marine or Army SNIPER put a .308 Lapua round in 'Mookie Al-Sadar's' skull the moment he opened his yap, which would have ended or prevented any 'uprising' in Baghdad pdq.
So which 'war' are we speaking of that was 'fought on the cheap'?
[yes, this is run on sentence Wednesday]
And I bet that AFTER Pedro Primavera goes to the Eye Doctor he brags about his 20/20 Hindsight vision. (fricken mutt, I'm spttin' nails!)
GWB was not a
There, fixed it for ya.
in all honesty, we know who the 'party at all cost' types are, and those who are willing to fight and risk it all to save it all...
i just wish the rinos would realize that if they dont grow a pair they aint gonna have a thin dime left and will be even worse off in name...
also hope they got lots of bean stored, or are good field hands...
There are plenty of them around, but they aren't the only problem.
The problem at hand is that the "coalition" that scored victories under Reagan has largely disintegrated. There are two fights going on: one within the Republican Party, which is the primary (but only) and most convenient vehicle upon which to convey a libertarian-conservative platform; the second is going on within the conservative movement itself over exactly what constitutes conservatism.
Just as an example: you'll see plenty of my comments around here, regularly quoting Reagan or Coolidge, the Founders, or other known conservatives. Usually, many of thse get slammed by other Freepers; today I was accused of being a anti-American race-baiter who loves Muslims, while on other days I have been accused of being anything from a troll to a liberal.
It's really sad.
My worst fear is that a significant number of conservatives today are content to settle for charisma and populism rather than solid substance and principle. Now, based on that line alone, I could be accused of attacking Sarah Palin, but frankly, from what I read of her, she seems down to earth and common sense, but we're not just electing a president every four years; we're electing an administration. And, with all honesty, if Palin is surrounded by bad people, then it won't make a lick of difference as to whether she herself is any good. And, if in 2010, we elect more politicians rather than statesmen and citizen-legislators, then, at least to me, I think that we as a nation will be doomed to repeat the same old sh-t again and again, unless, of course, the U.S. loses its AAA credit rating in 2013 (or sooner), the house of cards finally starts to really crumble, and the sh-t hits the fan...for real.
“Bush, Rove and the rest of the Republican Party hierarchy finally drove the last nail in Ronald Reagan’s America. It was all about winning elections and nothing to do with ideals. It seems that all Democrats and most Republicans are there primarily to maintain power. Democrats are just better at it, even if it means destroying this nation. A recent RNC e-mail by John McCain headlines with “They will stop at nothing.” They are just now realizing it? “
I coulda(shoulda) written this part myself ;-)
“LOL, before too long Rabs, you will overtake ME as the most obnoxious Freeper that RINOS love to hate! “
We are only 3 of the “Right Wing Six”
I’m not sure of the other three....hmmmmm sickoflibs/
Youze guys pick the other 2.
George Bush didn’t hold his finger to the dike. Where GW’s big government push filed he pretended to be fighting against BG.
GW was and is a big government, big spending RINO.
Oh no...not again...I’m still sore from yesterday’s barnburner...:^)
| Eight Wasted Years
...Margaret Thatcher used to talk about the ratchet effect. When the Left gets power, she said, they drive everything Left; when the Right gets power, they slow the Leftward drive, perhaps even halt it for a spell; but nothing ever gets moved to the Right. U.S. politics in the 21st century so far bears out this dismal analysis. What does the Right have to show for eight years of a Republican presidency? I supported George W. Bush in 2000 because I thought he had a conservative bone in his body somewhere. I supported him in 2004 because I thought him the lesser of two evils. At this point, I wouldnt let the fool park his car in my driveway. Bruce Bartlett was right, every damn word...Bill Gertz interview on Hannity and Colmes
Gertz: Well he casts himself as a compassionate conservative and I argue that he's neither. That his administration is neither. He's done tremendous damage to the conservative movement...
agreed with all in yer post rabs...
I simply dont think we will see a return to principles until we have a complete breakdown at this stage of the 'game'...
to many that think the conveniences of their modern day lives and status positions will insulate them from the chaos...
they used to be reliable allies...in my mind today, they are as bad [prolly worse] than the commies they enable, cause the commies are simply 'one shot, one kill' whereas a rino drains energy from within exponentially...
thats why we must stand on principle and trust that the Lord will take care of the big stuff...
my two pennies...
Just show me where he tried to bring in carbon dioxide cap and trade and I’ll be the first to agree with you there.
You ain't seen nothin' yet! LOL
I agree. And if this doesn't work, we will all be fighting for our lives -- men, women, children, and other living things.
Like I said to Gilbo_3...I think I broke something on that last rant I wrote...I’ve been staggering around all day, bumping into walls...The last thing I remember, there was quick flash of light, something sizzled and popped in my head, and I smelled something burning...like fried onions....or bacon...or something...just ain’t been right since...:^)
Nothing that “Jack-Jack and a Beer Washback” won’t cure...or maybe a day at the range for some ordnance expenditure...
As a guy, I hate saying this but women, as mothers and grandmothers, are more accutely sensitive to danger and societal decay than men, who are breadwinners.
Many women can sense that we are in a survival mode, which is why I believe that so many of them are asserting their leadership in the struggle.
Take a day off.
Many women can sense that we are in a survival mode, which is why I believe that so many of them are asserting their leadership in the struggle.
Again, I agree completely. I attribute about half of American men's current condition to spectator sports, and about half to political correctness run amok.
Fortunately, more than a third of the entire population, more than 100 million, are listening to their most basic instincts screaming at them to stock up on implements of war and vital necessities.
In the meantime, we continue to pray for devine intervention, military intervention, or any other kind of intervention that will curtail this communist takeover and save the USA.
It was only later when the Democrats had made enough mistakes that enough voters turned to the Republicans to win.
People aren't voting for a philosophy so much as somebody who's going to clean up the mess.
That may be unpleasant and depressing, but wait a little bit and it will work in to conservatives' advantage.
Not as much as you might like it to, but enough to make a difference in Washington and the country.
You know, that’s NOT a bad idea, now that you mention it...
I’m feeling a sudden attack of “Lower Zimbawean Gnu Flu”...ONLY strikes on late Thursday evenings, and generally lasts well into Friday....and can ONLY be cured by the smell of cordite...
Wow...it just came on like THAT (snaps fingers)...
Settles it. I’m HOME tomorrow. Maybe off to the range for the CURE...
Remember on that last ‘civil war’ post I pinged you with :
We are crazy on this endless thread but you cant resist us. We need a pool bet on how many pings this thread will go, OPPS, Too easy to rig LOL. Maybe another RINO/Tea Party/Third Party thread could supersede this one. at #720 posted on Wednesday, December 09, 2009
I couldnt join in the fun this time, my boss was tormenting me.
I have always had difficulty with the term RINOs. Sometimes it seemed (under Bush) like MOST republicans were what we considered RINOs, and probably still are now.
since yer still a lil wobbly, Ill advise range first, then jackx2coldbeer...lolol...just to be safe...
just doesnt roll off the tongue well though...
Liberals Posing as Conservatives (around primary elections)
or Cnots [pronounced 'snots']...
Similar to something I said a few days ago. This author must be a clever sort! ;)
I think rants can be helpful Artemis Webb if it leads to conservatives/Republicans not making the same mistake again. Since some people still don't get it, it bares repeating as many times as it takes. Obama is looking like a one term loser. If we replace him with some big government RINO like the last GOP President we'd still be driving off a cliff, just slower.
“Im feeling a sudden attack of Lower Zimbawean Gnu Flu..”
Only known cure is the RANGE. Enjoy!
When human behavior reaches a point so low that being hated by fellow conservatives is the goal, it's time to reevaluate what's motivating that bad behavior.
Being a bottom dweller is not exactly something your friends should be proud of. Or did I miss their point here?
Or did you?
I would think that the powers that be on this forum might frown on that as THE goal, rather than focus on the dangerous people in Washington DC, who are destroying this nation.
I guess attacking conservatives on the Internet is more "fun" and definitely easier than rolling up your sleeves and working to get rid of the enemy in Washington, eh?
This is a very revealing, but not in the least surprising admission from the groupthink gang. I'm glad I stopped by here.
Truth that sets us free, so to speak.......right Nathan?
First of all, I have been popping in only minimally today, so I have NO idea who started THIS latest round, or WHERE it started up again...nor do I have the desire to backtrack and SEE who started it. I THOUGHT we were finished with this stuff (and, please, NOBODY start with the “he said/she said”...it’s moot now).
So...since I was pinged, I’ll respond.
Ohio, I don’t always agree in toto with folks out here; anyone who’s ever pinged me or conversed with me over the time I’ve been blogging here (since 2006) knows that. But civility (from ALL sides) is a good thing to maintain. I do try to maintain it myself (not always successfully, either).
That being said - people are entitled to their opinions. Right or wrong, what they believe is what they believe, so to the best of my thinking, we all should TRY to express our opinions in the way that will convince folks of the “rightness” of our way of thinking - if indeed we are “right” - or until we ourselves are proven wrong, in which case we stand up and say “Ok. My bad.” and move on. Correct?
Socratic method of dialogue - logic, candor, and more importantly, good will. And isn’t this the season for “Peace on Earth, Good Will towards men...”?
We can’t ever have the Peace on Earth part; but we CAN have “Peace on Free Republic”...
So, that being said, I reiterate my former stated position: Let’s all just be cool and discuss things without the vitriol - which is coming from BOTH sides.
Where do we agree?
1. NO RINO candidates. Correct?
2. NO Socialist-lite candidates. Correct?
3. PARTY does NOT come before Country. Correct?
4. NEITHER PARTY has had OUR best interests at heart, for the most part. Correct?
5. We FIND the best/most Conservative candidate we can and push him or her FORWARD, and support that person. Correct?
6. We FIGHT against the PARTY if the PARTY tries to stick us with a Liberal RINO. Correct?
7. The DEMS MUST BE crushed in the next election, and NOT supplanted by a closet socialist from “our” side. Correct?
Other than that...what else is there to say? A LOT of this is WAY out of our direct control, unless, as I’ve said, we’re ALL elbow deep in our LOCAL politics, where we CAN exercise a measure of influence. If we act locally, we’re within the Six Foot Radius of Direct Personal Influence so to speak.
Look at this way: - OhioWfan - If a crazed, lunatic mujahedeen fanatic was holding a knife to Rabs’ throat and threatening to behead him, and YOU were there on scene as a first responder and had a gun, you’d blast the Moojie right between his eyes, because Rabs is a fellow American, correct? He’s one of US.
-Rabs: Same scenario for you. You’d drop the Mooj trash in his tracks to protect a fellow American, right?
(man,I hope to GOD both of you said YES!)
You protect the AMERICAN. Period. Because he/she is one of US. Whatever differences you have become moot, because it’s life or death at that point, and that AMERICAN will have your six, and you will have theirs.
Simplistic? Yeah. Hell, yeah. Absolutely so. But I’m a simple man. I view things that way.
I can’t solve your verbal wars for you out here; only YOU guys can do that - by stopping the vitriol on either side of the fence. And sooner or later, if it gets nasty enough, the Mods WILL step in and folks will be banned...and good voices on BOTH sides of this fence might get silenced - preventing newbies and others just joining in from learning what WE already know and were woken up to. Rabs, I learned a WEALTH of information from you and your “Juan McCain” updates. So did many other folks out here.
Remember one thing: At the end of the day, the other side HATES ALL of us equally. THEY don’t give a rat’s butt how YOU feel about each other, except as to how THEY can benefit from it. And believe me, a couple of assh*les over at Democrat Underground (good name for the b*stards) are probably haveing a FIELD day reading some of these threads. They’re positively salivating over it.
They’re the REAL b*stards; they and their czars and Kommisars, and their Washington Apparachniks and their little Skidmark wannabe dictator. We’re just the people caught in the crosshairs.
Again, one team, one fight. Agree to disagree, and then leave it alone.
It’s almost Christmas...a little Peace on Free Republic is a good thing. Capeesh?
The person's religion is irrelevant.
If someone was holding a knife to ohioWfan's throat, then yes, I would be happy to pick up that gun and blast the crap out of him (or her), if it became apparent that there was no way to prevent bodily harm from being inflicted upon ohioWfan without causing bodily harm to the person holding the knife.
Determining where that line is--i.e., when any attempts to get that person holding the knife to back down--a pure judgement call.
“The person’s religion is irrelevant...”
How about “Nazi Trash”, or “Commie trash” then?
Enemy du jure (jour?), brother. You got my point.
“Blessed are the Peacemakers”
Would I get a reward for saving ...?
“..Would I get a reward...”
Yes. My eternal, undying gratitude, a cold beer, and some good-natured ribbing if you didn’t drop the sucker with the FIRST round!!!
Gun Control means “A Well-Placed Round to put the Perp On The Ground”.
Any idea what this nutbag is referring to? Anyone know of an admission posted here to attack conservatives? Considering that she threatened to report me to the moderator more than once, don't you think if she found an admission like this (especially by those she dislikes) it would be reported?
she really is smitten with ya...
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