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Could this be the Birth Certificate submitted by Obama's Grandmother?
Western Journalism ^ | 12/11/2009 | borderraven

Posted on 12/11/2009 9:31:20 PM PST by BorderRaven

See http://www.scribd.com/doc/24001567/Obama-BC-GMom

"In 1961, if a person was born in Hawaii but not attended by a physician or midwife, then all that was required was that one of the parents send in a birth certificate to be filed. The birth certificate could be filed by mail. There appears to have been no requirement for the parent to actually physically appear before “the local registrar of the district.” It would have been very easy for a relative to forge an absent parent’s signature to a form and mail it in. In addition, if a claim was made that “neither parent of the newborn child whose birth is unattended as above provided is able to prepare a birth certificate, the local registrar shall secure the necessary information from any person having knowledge of the birth and prepare and file the certificate.” (Section 57-8&9) I asked the Dept of Health what they currently ask for (in 2008) to back up a parent’s claim that a child was born in Hawaii. I was told that all they required was a proof of residence in Hawaii (e.g. a driver’s license [We know from interviews with her friends on Mercer Island in Washington State that Ann Dunham had acquired a driver’s license by the summer of 1961 at the age of 17] or telephone bill) and pre-natal (statement or report that a woman was pregnant) and post-natal (statement or report that a new-born baby has been examined) certification by a physician. On further enquiry, the employee that I spoke to informed me that the pre-natal and post-natal certifications had probably not been in force in the ‘60s." ... http://www.westernjournalism.com/?page_id=2697

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The image discovered earlier, it seems, is the document submitted as an application for the birth certificate of Barack Hussein Obama II. Of course this is only a theory, until it can be examined and verified.
1 posted on 12/11/2009 9:31:22 PM PST by BorderRaven
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To: BorderRaven

“FREE THE LONG FORM!”


2 posted on 12/11/2009 9:33:44 PM PST by Dryman ("FREE THE LONG FORM!")
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To: rocco55; thouworm; rxsid; GOPJ; Fred Nerks; null and void; stockpirate; george76; PhilDragoo; ...

Ping instead of Lucy!


3 posted on 12/11/2009 9:35:25 PM PST by Candor7 ((The effective weapons Against Fascism are ridicule, derision , and truth (.Member NRA))
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To: BorderRaven
Form of COLB that Obama has refused to release.


4 posted on 12/11/2009 9:41:15 PM PST by Candor7 ((The effective weapons Against Fascism are ridicule, derision , and truth (.Member NRA))
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To: BorderRaven

I am beginning to wonder if suing Factcheck.org might be a better idea. Forcing them to prove that “FactCheck.org staffers have now seen, touched, examined and photographed the original birth certificate.”


5 posted on 12/11/2009 9:47:05 PM PST by Ingtar (Asses far Left of me; Rinos to the Left; FReepin' on the Right with you.)
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To: BorderRaven

Sadly the judiciary in this country is corrupt along with most of the legistaltive and exec branches.


6 posted on 12/11/2009 9:48:28 PM PST by Frantzie (Judge David Carter - democrat & dishonorable Marine like John Murtha.)
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To: BorderRaven

“There have been numerous requests for Sen. Barack Hussein Obama’s official birth certificate. State law (Hawai‘i Revised Statutes §338-18) prohibits the release of a certified birth certificate to persons who do not have a tangible interest in the vital record.”

These are the words of the head of the Hawaii Dept of Vital Statistics in 2008.

Every citizen of the United States, every voter in a presidential election, has a “tangible interest in the vital record.” Obama did not run to be governor of Hawaii, nor to hold any other office within that state. He ran for an office that has to do with every citizen of every state.

For the state of Hawaii to withhold that particular document from the secretaries of the several states and/or the election officials who determine who may or may not be placed on ballots is wrong as it could result in subversion of the federal Constitution. This should be ruled on by the United States Supreme Court, since this is an interstate question, not merely a Hawaii state question.


7 posted on 12/11/2009 9:53:26 PM PST by John Leland 1789 (But then, I'm accused of just being a troll, so . . . .)
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To: Candor7; Gemsbok
thanks for the ping!

We know from interviews with her friends on Mercer Island in Washington State that Ann Dunham had acquired a driver’s license by the summer of 1961 at the age of 17...

I think I have read every story and article attributed to friends and classmates, and not once did I run across information that she had a driver's licence...

Now riddle me this: Every 'record' I have seen shows her birthdate as late November 1942. If she acquired a driver's licence when she was 17, wouldn't mean she did so in 1959?

8 posted on 12/11/2009 9:56:06 PM PST by Fred Nerks
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To: BorderRaven

338.17 is new definition from only a few years ago. 1982 IRCC.

This is another fake.


9 posted on 12/11/2009 10:07:56 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: Vendome
It very well could be a fake.

But the offset typed line HRS 338-17.8 indicates that it was later added to the birth certificate to reflect the current law.

10 posted on 12/11/2009 10:11:37 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: BorderRaven
This is a very long essay but well worth the time to read it.

This natural birth business of Obama’s just STINKS!!!

11 posted on 12/11/2009 10:19:04 PM PST by wintertime
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To: Ingtar
Hm?....Sue Fact Check? Interesting idea!
12 posted on 12/11/2009 10:21:22 PM PST by wintertime
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To: wintertime

I thought most women went to hospital back then?


13 posted on 12/11/2009 10:22:28 PM PST by dalebert
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To: dalebert

Most women went to the hospital, but certainly not all. Obama’s mother was a hippie, for Pete’s sake, having a home birth would not have been surprising.


14 posted on 12/11/2009 10:25:05 PM PST by Eva (Obama bin Lyin)
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To: Ingtar
I am beginning to wonder if suing Factcheck.org might be a better idea. Forcing them to prove that “FactCheck.org staffers have now seen, touched, examined and photographed the original birth certificate.”

I like that idea, a lot. While we're at it, sue Bill O'reilly.
15 posted on 12/11/2009 10:34:07 PM PST by Electric Graffiti (Yonder stands your orphan with his gun)
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NoBama is not supposed to be PrEZident.

When will someone in the US Government realize this?

I don't get it.

16 posted on 12/11/2009 10:38:52 PM PST by NoRedTape (.)
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To: Eva

But the official Obama line is that he was born at Kapiolani Hospital. Sorta rules out being born in a Hawaiian shack.


17 posted on 12/11/2009 10:42:06 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: BorderRaven; steelyourfaith
The image discovered earlier, it seems, is the document submitted as an application for the birth certificate of Barack Hussein Obama II. Of course this is only a theory, until it can be examined and verified.

It can't be real.

It hasn't been stamped by the University of East Anglia Climate Research Unit.

Cheers!

18 posted on 12/11/2009 10:52:44 PM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: Fred Nerks

Since you’ve kept abreast of every story and I have not, I will only add my thoughts to this birth certificate debate.

I suspect he was probably born in Hawaii, but I have no proof, just like I have no proof he graduated from Columbia or proof that he was the president of Harvard’s Law review, or that he’s brilliant.

I know nothing about this son of a Muslim-Kenyan Communist alcoholic, who has in his possession our nation’s top secrets and the suitcase that could blow-up the free world.

IT SEEMS TO ME THAT HE IS NOT ENTITLED TO ANY RIGHT TO PRIVACY!

His entire life should be an open book for every US citizen to see and examine.

He released one page from his personal physician that was permitted to serve as his medical records.

He has never released his college transcripts or even one essay.

All we have are his two “novels” about his life, that he claims to have written.

The gleeful news media just shoveled him into office and to date, that same news media are content to stonewall all investigations into his past.

I could go on about mysteries of his Indonesia years -— the names changes and adoption -— his re-entry into the US -— what passport was used to travel to Japan with his mother etc.

We have a complete unknown in the White House and we deserve answers to every question.

ANSWERS TO EVERY QUESTION.


19 posted on 12/11/2009 10:55:17 PM PST by onyx
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To: onyx

Boom shaka laka !


20 posted on 12/12/2009 1:18:27 AM PST by sushiman
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To: Red Steel
There were procedures in place that allowed a Hawaiian resident to register a birth at the DoH, -even if there had not been either a midwife or physician present. A parent could submit a signed statement that would be reviewed by some mid level bureaucrat, and then approved.

My guess is that there is no actual long form birth certificate; and the *source* document is a signed statement by the mother.

Like you said, that would destroy the narrative regarding Kopiolani Hospital. And prove that Barry's been lying to the country all along.

21 posted on 12/12/2009 1:39:13 AM PST by Cyropaedia ("Virtue cannot separate itself from reality without becoming a principal of evil...".)
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To: Candor7; All
Ha! IB4TTSU (In before the trolls show up)

The second image has disappeared from the link, did anyone get a copy?

22 posted on 12/12/2009 6:18:59 AM PST by Las Vegas Ron (Oath keepers + The NRA = FReeRepublic (.com baby))
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To: onyx
We have a complete unknown in the White House and we deserve answers to every question.

Indeed we do. You would think more people in this country would share the same common sense view but we are evidently living in a Twilight Zone.

Good post

23 posted on 12/12/2009 6:22:04 AM PST by Las Vegas Ron (Oath keepers + The NRA = FReeRepublic (.com baby))
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To: dalebert

They still do. In the U.S. it is very unusual to have a home birth.


24 posted on 12/12/2009 6:42:09 AM PST by wintertime
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To: Ingtar
I am beginning to wonder if suing Factcheck.org might be a better idea. Forcing them to prove that “FactCheck.org staffers have now seen, touched, examined and photographed the original birth certificate.”

The statement from FactCheck.org probably refers to a paper copy of the fake COLB, which they refer to as an original birth certificate.
25 posted on 12/12/2009 6:51:51 AM PST by Genoa (Luke 12:2)
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To: Ingtar

In order to believe one of the many versions that Obama has given over the years, you would have to believe that inspite of the fact that his mother was on welfare, his grandparents had no influence or wealth, he had poor grades, he took drugs he was able to get a full scholarship to Occidental and then to both Columbia and Harvard without the help of anyone?

In order to get a full scholarship to any of the universities he would have had to meet some criteria other than being half black. I think he applied as a foreigner at a time when scholarships were being given to students from Africa on a regular basis. Those were the only scholarships that would not have been based on grades. Even if he had a benefactor who was willing to pay his full way, his grades may not have allowed him to be accepted at that college without help. (IE Frank Marshall asking one of the University professors who was part of the underground.)


26 posted on 12/12/2009 7:48:01 AM PST by ODDITHER (HAT)
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To: onyx

Great post!

Being a ghoster, not a birther, I do believe that having a ghost for a president is a great insult to all Americans.

We need to see ALL 0b0z0’s records, especially education records that will reveal if he ever graduated. They will also reveal the brilliant One’s negative GPAs that go with his negative IQ!

Education records may very well reveal his foreign student status, Affirmative Action help and WHO paid for his “education.”

I believe this will be enough to throw him out, pop his long-form BC out of the vault if he wants to put up a defense or just resign and leave us alone.

I doubt any of this will happen unless the MSM picks up steam and expand the 0b0z0 jokes and pokes.

I can dream, can’t I?


27 posted on 12/12/2009 8:06:21 AM PST by melancholy (Hey Commies, don't Crap & Tread on me. 0b0z0's defeat is now in progress.)
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To: Candor7

Thanks for the ping, Candor7.

I forgot to copy you on #27.


28 posted on 12/12/2009 8:12:00 AM PST by melancholy (Hey Commies, don't Crap & Tread on me. 0b0z0's defeat is now in progress.)
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To: melancholy
Being a ghoster,
^^^^^^^^^^^^^

I **love** that expression! “Ghoster”! Yeah! You are absolutely right. Having a ghost for president is an insult.

An honest man would be **HONORED**to fully and promptly prove to any citizen in every way possible that they were a natural born citizen and eligible to occupy the office of president.

That Obama refuses to do this is an **INSULT** to all Americans.

By the way, I have a new tagline!

29 posted on 12/12/2009 8:21:51 AM PST by wintertime (Proud Ghoster! An honest man would be **HONORED** to prove he was a natural born citizen!)
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To: onyx

I agree with much of your post.

0bama probably was born in Hawaii but is not a natural born citizen due to his father’s status as a British subject.

Additionally, it’s my hunch that 0bama took advantage of his adopted Indonesian citizenship to gain entry and scholarships at Occidental, Columbia, Harvard, and perhaps even Punahou.

He may even studied overseas using his Indonesian/Kenyan/? passport. Russian intelligence have his passport information, as did the late key witness, Lieutenant Quarles Harris Jr.

http://209.157.64.200/focus/news/2365625/posts?page=277

http://blog.kievukraine.info/2005/08/obama-part-of-group-locked-up-at.html

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2232588/posts?page=104

/justmy$.02


30 posted on 12/12/2009 8:30:10 AM PST by maggief
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To: wintertime

Thank you for your post.

Good tagline. You inspired me to change mine!

I ain’t no have-gun-will-travel Chuck Connors! LOL


31 posted on 12/12/2009 8:50:55 AM PST by melancholy (Have no records will run........For President, that is!)
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To: Frantzie

Including true journalism that passed away in 2008!!!


32 posted on 12/12/2009 10:20:54 AM PST by danamco
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To: John Leland 1789
Every citizen of the United States, every voter in a presidential election, has a “tangible interest in the vital record.”

But 52% of cool aid Soetoro drinkers will say NO!!!

33 posted on 12/12/2009 10:24:40 AM PST by danamco
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To: Electric Graffiti

And Ann Coulter too!!!


34 posted on 12/12/2009 10:26:48 AM PST by danamco
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To: Red Steel

There is still the unsolved Lucas Smith’s Kenyan “official” B.C.???


35 posted on 12/12/2009 10:29:00 AM PST by danamco
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To: onyx

“normally” you have a few “After-Birthers” who will give you eloquent and “true” answers to your questions!!!


36 posted on 12/12/2009 10:32:52 AM PST by danamco
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To: wintertime

Now we can add a new title: “Birther-Ghosters”!!!


37 posted on 12/12/2009 10:37:34 AM PST by danamco
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To: wintertime
"In the U.S. it is very unusual to have a home birth....

In the 1800 until the around the 1940's it wasn't to unusual.

38 posted on 12/12/2009 11:03:10 AM PST by Spunky (You are free to make choices, but not free from the consequences)
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To: danamco

I think the Lucas Smith BC is enforced by the document signed by his grandmother, thus leaning toward a Kenya birth and a British or Kenya nationality.


39 posted on 12/12/2009 11:54:59 AM PST by BorderRaven (Vote for Chelene Nightingale and Save California!)
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To: onyx

I agree with you, and I also believe that stringent laws about all of your points should be enacted. People who hold NATIONAL office should not expect much privacy, much less all the “privacy” BHO has gotten away with.


40 posted on 12/12/2009 12:02:10 PM PST by hennie pennie
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To: Vendome
338.17 is new definition from only a few years ago. 1982 IRCC.

This is another fake.


This Grandma BC was hashed out on FR a few months ago and deemed a fake. Do you have a link to that thread?
41 posted on 12/12/2009 12:06:34 PM PST by Electric Graffiti (Yonder stands your orphan with his gun)
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To: danamco
And Ann Coulter too!!!

At least Ann didn't claim to have examined and handled it like O'really and fartcheck did. She did call us cranks and a few other choice words which will keep me from buying any of her books until she gets with the program ;)
42 posted on 12/12/2009 12:09:23 PM PST by Electric Graffiti (Yonder stands your orphan with his gun)
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To: John Leland 1789
State law (Hawai‘i Revised Statutes §338-18) prohibits the release of a certified birth certificate to persons who do not have a tangible interest in the vital record.”

http://tw0.us/5fm

Wednesday, August 27, 2008

Letter Re Obama Eligibility to Texas Secretary of State

The fact that the Hawaii Revised Statutes permit anyone with a "direct and tangible interest" in the birth certificate ought to mean that anyone can obtain Mr. Obama's birth certificate since we all have a direct and tangible interest in it.

43 posted on 12/12/2009 12:33:34 PM PST by OafOfOffice (Constitution is not neutral.It was designed to take the government off the backs of people-Douglas)
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To: John Leland 1789

http://tw0.us/5fn

Open Letter to Mr. George Soros and Open Society Institute Re Obama Birth Certificate

Mr. George Soros
Open Society Institute
400 West 59th Street
New York, NY 10019, U.S.A.

Dear Mr. Soros:

You have made a point of claiming that you believe in an “open society” and you have assertively backed Barack Obama’s candidacy. At present, the State of Hawaii has violated the requirements of its Open Records Law and § 338-18 of its statute concerning birth records by refusing to provide Barack Obama’s birth certificate to every American. Yet, every American has a direct and tangible interest in seeing this information first hand. I have written to Mr. Obama and asked that he open this information to society and he has not responded. Instead, Obama supporters have offered a fraudulent birth certificate via a Web site. I am curious as to how Mr. Obama’s willingness to engage in manipulative secrecy jibes with your belief in an open society. Do you continue to support Mr. Obama’s candidacy despite his indifference to an open society?

Some have argued that Mr. Obama’s birth certificate is not problematic and that he is merely manipulating public opinion, intending to reveal favorable information at an opportune time. If so, is this sort of political manipulation the foundation of your interpretation of what the term “open society” ought to mean?

Sincerely,

Mitchell Langbert

July 14, 2008


44 posted on 12/12/2009 12:38:55 PM PST by OafOfOffice (Constitution is not neutral.It was designed to take the government off the backs of people-Douglas)
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To: OafOfOffice

http://tw0.us/5fo

Dr. Chiyome L. Fukino, MD
Director of Public Health
State of Hawaii Department of Health
Honolulu, Hawaii 98601-3378

Dear Ms. Fukino:

“The following persons shall be considered to have a direct and tangible interest in a public health statistics record:...”

If the authors of the statute had aimed to limit access to the list, they could have stated that the list is exhaustive and exclusive in the statute, but the statute DOES NOT so state. Hence, Ms. Okubo is incorrect in claiming that the people who have “direct and tangible interest” are defined in the statute. The statute merely states those who should be construed to have such an interest (a safe harbor list) but DOES NOT STATE that others may not also have “direct and tangible interest”.

Since all Americans have a “direct and tangible interest” in knowing what Mr. Obama’s birth certificate states, you and the Department of Health are violating § 338-18 by refusing to provide a certified copy of the birth certificate to any American.


45 posted on 12/12/2009 12:43:59 PM PST by OafOfOffice (Constitution is not neutral.It was designed to take the government off the backs of people-Douglas)
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To: Electric Graffiti

Uhm, no. But I am one of the Freepers that pointed it out.

Hang on.


46 posted on 12/12/2009 1:05:17 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: Electric Graffiti

Can’t find it but, you can ping BP2 and he might remember.


47 posted on 12/12/2009 1:08:27 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: melancholy; Las Vegas Ron

Ghoster! I like that. If you ever see Obama, be sure to say “BOO.”

He is shrouded in mystery and that is so wrong on every front. It’s one thing for a celebrity to manufacture a past, but it’s quite another for a public office holder, particularly the holder of our nation’s highest office.

This man has never been vetted, and yet the US Senate portends to vet his cabinet. For all the scrutiny Obama has received, he might as well be one of his czars, or the head czar. Gee, I think I’m onto something here. Czar Hussein!


48 posted on 12/12/2009 1:25:04 PM PST by onyx
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To: Vendome
Thanks, I found it.

Signed Certificate of Live Birth for BO [FR thread from Oct 20, 09]
49 posted on 12/12/2009 1:27:11 PM PST by Electric Graffiti (Yonder stands your orphan with his gun)
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To: maggief

maggief, (I almost typed fluffs)lol

I’m missing something: his hippie, left-wing radical mother was a US citizen, so what bearing does his father’s British status have on Barack’s eligibility?

I like your thinking with regard to your hunch that he used his adopted Sotero/Indonesia to gain status and entry into US and the universites and that lead to some uncomfortable revelations.

I followed your links:

Yes, the missing Columbia years, wherein nobody remembers him and who the hell paid his tuition. I recall reading several articles that speculated a variety of people and far left sources.

The Russian hold on him and Lugar is most interesting and the untimely death of Lt. Harris raises even more suspicions.

I can summarize what scares and irks the hell out of me: I know the man is anti-American. It oozes from him. He can’t hide it, no matter what the teleprompter tells him to say. Yet, here he is, the president of the United States and our military’s Commander in Chief, not only privy to everything that keeps our coutry and the free world safe, but also in charge of ordering our military into action and in charge of our nuclear weapons.

You know how every decade or so, our FBI or CIA discover a traitor or a network of traitors within its ranks and we subsequently learn that years of intelligence and secret weaponry have been compromised? Well, think about the complete damage that can be done were the top man anti-American.


50 posted on 12/12/2009 1:53:35 PM PST by onyx
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