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Pregnancy Equals Prison for US Troops in Iraq
Bob McCarty Writes ^ | 12/22/09 | Bob McCarty

Posted on 12/22/2009 2:21:55 PM PST by BobMcCartyWrites

Early last month, Army Maj. Gen. Tony Cucolo (left) issued General Order #1 as a means of informing those assigned to his Multi-National Division North (a.k.a., "Task Force Marne") that becoming pregnant -- or assisting in the effort -- is one of several types of conduct deemed "prejudicial to the maintenance of good order and discipline" among members of the 22,000-strong task force headquartered in Tikrit, Iraq. In fact, it ranks alongside alcohol, drugs, guns and similar vices on the general's list of prohibited activities.


TOPICS: Government; Military/Veterans; Politics
KEYWORDS: army; courtmartial; iraq; militaryreadiness; militarywomen; notasoldier; pregnancy; stolenvalor; ucmj; usarmy; women
Maj. Gen. Tony Cucolo For both male and female soldiers in Iraq, pregnancy is a punishable offense.

Early last month, Army Maj. Gen. Tony Cucolo (left) issued General Order #1 as a means of informing those assigned to his Multi-National Division North (a.k.a., "Task Force Marne") that becoming pregnant -- or assisting in the effort -- is one of several types of conduct deemed "prejudicial to the maintenance of good order and discipline" among members of the 22,000-strong task force headquartered in Tikrit, Iraq. In fact, it ranks alongside alcohol, drugs, guns and similar vices on the general's list of prohibited activities.

The matter came to my attention when the Drudge Report provided a link to a Daily Mail article published yesterday. Now that it's out, I fully expect some public outcry about the punishment -- up to and including prison time -- promised both to individuals who become pregnant and to those soldiers who impregnate them.

For those who think the punishment too harsh for the crime, one needs only look at how General Cucolo addressed the subject in a policy letter -- the text of which was provided me by Maj. Jeff Allen, TFM public affairs officer at Command Operating Base Speicher -- released to coincide with the general order.

"Anyone who leaves this fight early because they made a personal choice that changed their medical status -- or contributes to doing that to another -- is not in keeping with a key element of our ethos, 'I will always place the mission first,' or three of our seven core values: loyalty, duty and selfless service," he wrote. "And I believe there should be negative consequences for making that personal choice."

He added that he considers "the male soldier responsible for taking a soldier out of the fight just as responsible as the female soldier who must redeploy."

Is the policy working? Tough to tell as I'm awaiting an answer from Major Allen.

Since the general order was issued Nov. 4, however, seven members of Task Force Marne have been reprimanded, according to the major. Among those, four pregnant soldiers -- including one who did not want to identify the other soldier involved -- have been returned to their home stations.

Developing...

UPDATE 12/21/09 at 3 p.m. Central: Major Allen told me that, because the unit has been in country for only a short time, they do not have records sufficient for comparison to the totals since Nov. 4. That in mind, I'll check back with him in a few months to see if the numbers go up or down.

UPDATE #2 12/22/09 at 11:08 a.m. Central:


1 posted on 12/22/2009 2:21:56 PM PST by BobMcCartyWrites
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To: BobMcCartyWrites
Stupid headline

A general doesn't decide if someone goes to prison or not !

Also, this would probably be an Article 15 offense not a court martial !

2 posted on 12/22/2009 2:27:26 PM PST by america-rules
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To: BobMcCartyWrites

This whole thing was brought on by the “political correctness” thing which was foisted upon us years ago. I believe that it is unreasonable to assign a female in her childbearing years to a combat zone or a combat situation. Simple logic would tell even the simplest mind that this is not a good idea. And, I don’t give a rats ass who says so, women and men are not equals in every situation and particularly those situations where the woman’s physical capacity might be diminished by a pregnancy. We simply need to grow up, grow some balls and move past this “politically correct” crapola.


3 posted on 12/22/2009 2:36:27 PM PST by davisfh ( Islam is a very serious mental and social illness)
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To: BobMcCartyWrites

I thought I read a couple of days ago the whole idea of prison for getting pregnant was dropped ....


4 posted on 12/22/2009 2:41:39 PM PST by SkyDancer ('Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not..' ~ Thomas Jefferson)
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To: SkyDancer

Women in the military do this all the time to get out of deployments. It is nothing new.


5 posted on 12/22/2009 2:43:47 PM PST by Angry_White_Man_Syndrome
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To: Angry_White_Man_Syndrome

I was referring to the idea that they’d go to jail ... that idea was dropped. I know about women getting pregnant to get out of deployment ....


6 posted on 12/22/2009 2:46:32 PM PST by SkyDancer ('Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not..' ~ Thomas Jefferson)
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To: SkyDancer

You’re correct.


7 posted on 12/22/2009 2:52:49 PM PST by ErnBatavia (It's not the Obama Administration....it's the "Obama Regime".)
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To: BobMcCartyWrites


Army Maj. Gen. Tony Cucolo

Maybe he had to back-track a bit on his original pronouncement.

But if I was a youngster again...that would be the guy I’d like for
a commanding officer. Someone with a spine.
Even if censored by his politically-correct weasel “superiors”.


8 posted on 12/22/2009 2:57:51 PM PST by VOA
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To: BobMcCartyWrites

If this has been reported correctly, and if indeed it is within the General’s ability to proffer charges against couples who get pregnant whilst deployed in battle zones — I say GOODONYA, GENERAL. And shirkers be warned.

Somehow, tho’ — I suspect they will find wiggle-room and weasel words that let them escape punishment altogether.


9 posted on 12/22/2009 3:06:29 PM PST by DieHard the Hunter (Is mise an ceann-cinnidh. Cha ghéill mi do dhuine. Fàg am bealach.)
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To: BobMcCartyWrites
Rather than imprisoning a woman who gets pregnant...don't send them to a war zone in the first place!
10 posted on 12/22/2009 3:29:48 PM PST by Gay State Conservative (Host The Beer Summit-->Win The Nobel Peace Prize!)
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To: Gay State Conservative
Rather than imprisoning a woman who gets pregnant...don't send them to a war zone in the first place!

You going to take their place?

11 posted on 12/22/2009 3:33:52 PM PST by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: Gay State Conservative
You going to take their place?

I see you already have. But the question remains, who will take their places?

12 posted on 12/22/2009 3:35:30 PM PST by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: BobMcCartyWrites

I would think that under the UCMJ, if the mother is not married to the father, no matter where they are stationed, there could be the possibility of bringing charges against both parties for moral turpitude. Any JAGs out there have more insight?


13 posted on 12/22/2009 3:41:56 PM PST by celtic gal
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To: BobMcCartyWrites

While many female soldiers serve with distinction, this is the consequence of intermingling male and female soldiers. Human nature being what it is and being stranded far from home with little to relieve the boredom what do they think would happen? Now they want to have mixed crews on submarines.


14 posted on 12/22/2009 3:52:07 PM PST by The Great RJ ("The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money." M. Thatcher)
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To: BobMcCartyWrites

General Order One has been around in Iraq since 2003.


15 posted on 12/22/2009 3:54:08 PM PST by Allegra (It doesn't matter what this tagline says...the liberals are going to call it "racist.")
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To: El Gato
You going to take their place?

Pushing 60...with an artificial hip and a bum ticker I see a problem with me even finishing BCT (I just barely got through it at 19!).I have no problem at all with women serving.None.But they should be doing support duties....duties which would,at worst,keep them *well* behind the lines if not right here at home.

Call me sexist if you must but I'm entitled to my opinions.Of course my view doesn't address the situation as it exists *now*,but....

16 posted on 12/22/2009 3:56:29 PM PST by Gay State Conservative (Host The Beer Summit-->Win The Nobel Peace Prize!)
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To: Allegra
General Order One has been around in Iraq since 2003.

Hey,allegra...are you in Iraq now? Or elsewhere? If you're there,stay safe!

17 posted on 12/22/2009 3:59:53 PM PST by Gay State Conservative (Host The Beer Summit-->Win The Nobel Peace Prize!)
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To: Allegra

I was told by Task Force Marne’s Major Jeff Allen that it had been updated/modified and he sent me the pdf.


18 posted on 12/22/2009 4:02:19 PM PST by BobMcCartyWrites (BobMcCarty.com, Bob McCarty Writes)
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To: davisfh
I do not believe the genesis was political correctness.

IMO, the creation of an all-volunteer force in 1974(?) terminated the endless flow of manpower through induction. Consequently, it became necessary to initiate a host of unprecedented measures to maintain end strength. The most disconcerting measure initiated during the latter stages of my career was the introduction of the Maternity uniform.

19 posted on 12/22/2009 4:05:48 PM PST by verity (Obama Lies)
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To: verity
"The most disconcerting measure initiated during the latter stages of my career was the introduction of the Maternity uniform."

Dittos to that. I retired from the AF in '75 and couldn't believe my eyes when I visited the base several years later and saw a major wearing a maternity uniform.

20 posted on 12/22/2009 4:14:44 PM PST by davisfh ( Islam is a very serious mental and social illness)
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To: El Gato

Women have no ‘place’ on the battle field.


21 posted on 12/22/2009 4:31:09 PM PST by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bomb-a administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: BobMcCartyWrites
I was told by Task Force Marne’s Major Jeff Allen that it had been updated/modified and he sent me the pdf.

So, this new provision comes after #2p?

"p. Cohabitation of males and females except for lawfully married spouses. Married spouses will be allowed to cohabitate provided adequate accommodations are available."

That is the last article under "Prohibited Activities" on the latest GO #1 that I signed in '07. (I've been on missions since then where I was not subject to GO #1.)

22 posted on 12/22/2009 5:08:44 PM PST by Allegra (It doesn't matter what this tagline says...the liberals are going to call it "racist.")
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To: editor-surveyor
Women have no ‘place’ on the battle field.

Right.

You're not calling the shots. Since you are in such a position, you are merely bloviating.

I am however, calling the shots in my case. And I've spent about half of the past decade "on the battlefield."

Without your permission.

23 posted on 12/22/2009 5:10:48 PM PST by Allegra (It doesn't matter what this tagline says...the liberals are going to call it "racist.")
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To: Gay State Conservative
Hey,allegra...are you in Iraq now? Or elsewhere? If you're there,stay safe!

I'm on a break in the US right now and headed back to the sandbox in early 2010. I might be going to the 'Stan in the spring.

Take care and have a very Merry Christmas!

24 posted on 12/22/2009 5:36:44 PM PST by Allegra (It doesn't matter what this tagline says...the liberals are going to call it "racist.")
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To: Allegra

Bad things happen to good people.

Some bloke in Scotland demanded that doctors amputate his healthy leg, and they did it (without my permission).

Is everything that happens without my permission ok by you?


25 posted on 12/22/2009 6:38:31 PM PST by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bomb-a administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: editor-surveyor
Is everything that happens without my permission ok by you?

LOL - good reach.

26 posted on 12/22/2009 7:05:53 PM PST by Allegra (It doesn't matter what this tagline says...the liberals are going to call it "racist.")
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To: Allegra

Is it any more of a reach than you equating your presence near the battlefield with that of the women that are the subject of this article?


27 posted on 12/22/2009 7:19:48 PM PST by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bomb-a administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: editor-surveyor
Oooooh, another reach!

Careful, Dude. Katie Couric's going to get jealous.

(Yeah, I did say that one....) LMAO

28 posted on 12/22/2009 7:35:43 PM PST by Allegra (It doesn't matter what this tagline says...the liberals are going to call it "racist.")
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