Skip to comments.New logo for Obamacare. This looks about right to me.
Posted on 12/23/2009 7:13:32 AM PST by rrdog
This is kind of funny, but true in a very real way.
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There’s no “care” about it, whether “Obamacare” or “Health Care.”
It’s Socialized Medicine. Period.
Don’t quit your day job.
“Take Luca Brazzi. Make him an offer he can’t refuse.”
Wow.. I posted a harmless and a very popular logo of Obamacare and it got pulled. (Google ‘Obama witch doctor’). I guess PC is now infiltrating FR.
I just googled those words and saw the pic. I had never seen it before. But it doesn’t look offensive to my eyes.
I will not be popular, but I want to ask you this question. What is wrong with making people pay for BASIC , CATASTROPHIC HEALTCARE? I know young people don’t think they will get sick..but they do. Then, who pays? WE DO anyway.
My hairdresser is married. She and her hubby own their business. Probably don’t bring in much right now. They own a small house, two vehicles and have two children.
She gets pregnant with TWINS! I asked her if she had health insurance. She said NO. She winds up going on State Medicaid. Isthat right? If she and her family had to come up with a few hundred a month for catastophic, I’m sure they could find it. I know she takes vacations, etc.
It’s this kind of thing that drives me crazy.We’re going to pay one way or another.
What say you?
“What is wrong with making people pay for BASIC , CATASTROPHIC HEALTCARE?”
Name a single Constitutional item that says a free people must buy anything. Name a single concept of freedom where the masses tell someone what to buy. Name a single government program that stopped at “reasonable”. What say YOU!
I understand that. I’m saying it’s something that must be addressed as we try to figure out how to bring down COSTS in our healthcare system. It just infuriates me because people don’t want to pay for anything they don’t see. But when they need it, we wind up paying the tab.
What is wrong with telling you where to live? Or perhaps telling you that you MUST take in a homeless person as the alternative is that we all must pay for him or her. Or perhaps, what is wrong with Gov’t telling you that you MUST purchase a GM car, because if you don’t the company will fail and we will ALL pay the price.
What is wrong with giving Gov’t total control over all you do? Perhaps you might do something wrong or need something and we’d ALL have to pay for it.
“Its this kind of thing that drives me crazy.Were going to pay one way or another.”
P.S. You lazy fat ass. Yes, YOU! I think you are too fat, lazy, and out of shape, so, you WILL join me at 5:00am each morning in the community excercise yard because I am NOT paying for your lazy fat ass to sit around and cost me money in medical expenses! We will establsih minimum health and fitness guidlines and you will run not less than 15 miles each week and be able to do 50 situps in 1 minutes, 100 pushups in 2 minutes, and 20 pullups. Well see if you are still costing me money after all that and if we should up the standards and include such things as weight lifting.
Why don’t you ask why anyone is paying for anyone else’s medical expenses instead of thinking of ways to stomp on individual liberties before we think of ways to make your life a living Hell with Marxism. I mean, if we are going to tell each other what to do I am going to chime in my way and you’re not going to like it!
This is just the latest on the ‘slippery slope’ that is now quite steep.
Gov’t has NO place in addressing this. It was Gov’t that RAISED these costs, starting with MediCare/MedicAid, then forcing doctors to see people regardless of ability to pay.
Medical is in the shape it is in BECAUSE of Gov’t and you want more of it. Look at the mortgage industry, they were forced to give loans, because people have a ‘right’ to homes, even if they can’t pay for them. Now where is that mess, and we want Gov’t to do even more. I say HANDS OFF, BIG GOV’T, what say you?
A neighbor’s daughter is pregnant with her second child.
Unmarried, why? She can get the gov. to pay for the birth. If she married her and husband would bear financial responsibility.
The girl’s parents, my neighbors, are all for it. Both from military families.
Obama voters BTW.
When I took early retirement I tried to get catastrophic. I was willing to pay 5,000. - 10,000. deductible, pay all doctors & prescriptions. No one would offer it to me. They all wanted to ring in something I was willing to forego. I believe the system would be better off if more would pay as they go. My cobra will be up in May so if you know just where I can get this type of catastrophic insurance I sure would appreciate it. My experience would lead me to believe it no longer exists.
Perhaps we should have the Gov’t require permanent sterilization after a single out of wedlock birth? I mean, if not we all have to pay for it.
I am being harsh to try to drive home the point that Marxism is not the answer. The costs of healthcare is on the rise due to government interference as it is. We had fine healthcare for decades until the government got involved.
Did you know that companies cannot form national health plans but must form companies within each State and not every company can participate in every State? Goverment regulation.
I could go on and one about government regulation strangling medical care, but the bottom line is government is not the answer.
If, after all of the above, they still can't get the money, there are charities that will help those people who don't have the resources. This is truly where people need to go to seek help. Some churches/temples/synagogues have funds to help in such situations. I've belonged to congregations where the people work to help out, holding fund raisers or donating items. In one circumstance empty-nesters traded houses with a family who was pregnant with multiples, low on funds, and desperately needed space.
People who find themselves in the situation you describe and decide Medicaid is the answer before taking a serious look at how they can take responsibility for their own lives are the problem in this country. Enabling them is not the solution.
I saw a bumper sticker this morning that I have a feeling we will see a lot more soon: “Gov’t health care: Public enema #1.” Right on target!
If you're not familiar with him, he host a radio show and a show on Fox Business. Stations that carry his radio show can be found on his sight.
I say simply it is not in the US Constitution.
Forcing someone to pay for something and then punishing them for not paying is depriving them of property without due process.
Secondarily, there is a better, more Constitutionally-principled way of addressing this issue.
Simply, you don’t have to buy insurance if you don’t want to. But if you face catastrophe, YOU pay the bills, no one else. Now, if you want the treatment, that may mean entering a loan agreement with the hospital, and it may well approach the cost of a mortgage when all is said and done.
Facing that possibility, most people would make the intelligent decision to go out and get their own coverage for catastrophic situations.
Another point, many, many people, including young people, would easily be able to afford “catastrophic” insurance if the US government would lift the regulations prohibiting buying insurance in other states. Utah offers a couple of excellent “catastrophic” plans that are very affordable. But you have to live in Utah to purchase them (thank you Federal Regulations for driving up prices).
Free Markets work, Healthcare Insurance destroys the Free Market. Making people pay for Health Insurance to lower costs is like trying to put out a fire by squirting gasoline on the blaze.
That’s about what’s going on. Buy the insurance or be fined or go to jail.
How much is it going to cost us to keep all the people who don’t buy insurance in jail? What a stupid stupid idea! Not to mention communistic!
See my tagline....I have it on a bumper sticker and get LOTS of horn-honks and thumbs-up for it!
See my tagline....I have it on a bumper sticker and get LOTS of horn-honks and thumbs-up for it!
There is nothing at all wrong with a state doing it. Many states force you to buy auto insurance. It is illegal and unconstitutional for Congress to do it. Madison made this clear not only with the commerce clause, but in his writings as plubius in the Federalist papers.
I say, God made us free! No one owns us! No one has any right to tell we the people that we "must" buy anything in order to live without being accosted by the law.
I agree with you.. You just reiterated my original point.
Making it mandatory is not needed. Let people buy it across state lines. Enact serious tort reform. Put no mandates on what is covered. Make it tax deductable or even allow a tax credit for the policy. It will be so cheap few people won't buy it.
I totally agree with you. The people who jumped on me didn’t understand what I was trying to say. It’s so easy, that it’ll be impossible for the government to do. Now I must ask another unpopular question, why didn’t the Republicans do that when they were in control?
GOP didn’t have the control needed to do all I suggested. Look at Democrats now. Even with 60 Senators, and over twice the House members the GOP had under Bush, they are having trouble with their health care bill.
They could have done SOMETHING. Tort reform...etc.
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